7 PAGAN FESTIVALS WE STILL CELEBRATE TODAY ~ under the guise of Christian celebrations and names.

[David in NJ]

Copy @Aunty Jane

The priests all had specific times appointed to them to fulfill their duties in the temple, according to their order. If it can be established what time of year was the turn for Zechariah's priestly order (the course of Abijah) to fulfill duties in the temple, it will be an end to all dispute:

Luke 1
7 And they had no child, because Elizabeth was barren. And both were advanced in their days.
8 And it happened in his serving in the order of his course, before God,
9 according to the custom of the priests, it was his lot to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord.

23 And as soon as the days of his service were accomplished, he departed to his own house.
24 And after those days his wife Elizabeth conceived and hid herself five months, saying,
25 So the Lord has dealt with me in the days in which He looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.
26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. And the virgin's name was Mary.

39 And Mary arose in those days and went into the hill country with haste, to a city of Judah.
40 And she entered into the house of Zacharias and greeted Elizabeth.

56 And Mary stayed with her about three months, and returned to her own house.
57 And the time was fulfilled to Elizabeth for her to bear. And she bore a son.

I've done some quick searches in the Internet on the research of others regarding what time of year the course of Abijah (the key) were due to perform their priestly service in the temple, but it's too much reading for now.

It would be interesting to know for sure what month Jesus was born, but it is not crucial to salvation.

.. and it would be comical to see the reaction on the faces of some if it proved to be close to 25 December, because of the "thou shalt not" legalistic importance attached to the date, and the belief that it was the feast of Saturnalia that the Roman Church mixed with worship of Christ.

Good Afternoon Brother,

100% GUARANTEED that JESUS was not born on December 25th

This is not about "thou shall not" but rather knowing the Truth from the Word.

Secondly, it is the RCC establishment of 'Christmas' that has made it "legalistic" against those who know the 'root'.

Christmas is on the same level as 'pre-trib' rapture = it is a man-made holiday established by Babylon = which the world fully accepts.

Eternal Food for Free Thinking = Revelation 11:7-10
When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves.
And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

 

[David in NJ]

Oh,yes.

History of Christmas

<p>In ancient pagan times, the last day of winter in the Northern Hemisphere was celebrated as the night that the Great Mother […]</p>

didyouknow.org

"In the year 274 AD, solstice fell on 25th December. Roman Emperor Aurelian proclaimed the date as “Natalis Solis Invicti,” the festival of the birth of the invincible sun. In 320 AD, Pope Julius I specified the 25th of December as the official date of the birth of Jesus Christ."

"Roman Emperor Aurelian proclaimed...." = thank you 'emperor' for your carnal input

The Saints do not need 'emperors' to instruct us in the way of Righteousness = but a 'Must Have' is the Holy Spirit

Who's your Daddy?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Who's your Daddy?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

We have absolutely no knowledge what month was Jesus birth. It is all guess work.

Maybe not. Rev. 12:1-2, Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.

A sign in the heavens. What is that? Constellations were used by the Jews for several purposes.
Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; Gen. 1:14
Rev. 12:1-12 has both literal and symbolic meanings. Symbolically, the woman is Israel and the child, Jesus, and the twelve stars can be seen as the twelve tribes of Israel. Even "clothed with the sun" could symbolize the Holy Spirit. Literally, it is a constellation that appears on specific dates in history. Recently it appeared on 9-23-2017. It was the Constellation, Virgo, clothed by the sun, with the moon at her feet, a garland or stars (Leo - 12 stars, likely including two planets), and then Jupiter ( the King planet) entered into the area of the womb, circles around for nine months and then exists out of the day of birth. You can't make this stuff up. Virgo appears every year around the same time, but not with these other stars, sun, moon and planets in place. That happens rarely throughout history. We can go back in time and see exactly when it happened. >Sept. 11, 3 BC, is one other time this exact alignment/ sign appeared.
9/11 ... eemmm sounds familiar. Wouldn't that be an appropriate date for Satan to step on?

 

[David in NJ]

Maybe not. Rev. 12:1-2, Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.

A sign in the heavens. What is that? Constellations were used by the Jews for several purposes.
Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; Gen. 1:14
Rev. 12:1-12 has both literal and symbolic meanings. Symbolically, the woman is Israel and the child, Jesus, and the twelve stars can be seen as the twelve tribes of Israel. Even "clothed with the sun" could symbolize the Holy Spirit. Literally, it is a constellation that appears on specific dates in history. Recently it appeared on 9-23-2017. It was the Constellation, Virgo, clothed by the sun, with the moon at her feet, a garland or stars (Leo - 12 stars, likely including two planets), and then Jupiter ( the King planet) entered into what the area of the womb, circles around for nine months and then exists out of the day of birth. You can't make this stuff up. Virgo appears every year around the same time, but not with these other stars, sun, moon and Jupiter in place. That happens rarely throughout history. We can go back on time and see exactly when it happened. >Sept. 11, 3 BC, is one other time this exact alignment/ sign appeared.
9/11 ... eemmm sounds familiar. Wouldn't that be an appropriate date for Satan to step on?

YES indeed

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Maybe not. Rev. 12:1-2, Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.

A sign in the heavens. What is that? Constellations were used by the Jews for several purposes.
Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; Gen. 1:14
Rev. 12:1-12 has both literal and symbolic meanings. Symbolically, the woman is Israel and the child, Jesus, and the twelve stars can be seen as the twelve tribes of Israel. Even "clothed with the sun" could symbolize the Holy Spirit. Literally, it is a constellation that appears on specific dates in history. Recently it appeared on 9-23-2017. It was the Constellation, Virgo, clothed by the sun, with the moon at her feet, a garland or stars (Leo - 12 stars, likely including two planets), and then Jupiter ( the King planet) entered into what the area of the womb, circles around for nine months and then exists out of the day of birth. You can't make this stuff up. Virgo appears every year around the same time, but not with these other stars, sun, moon and Jupiter in place. That happens rarely throughout history. We can go back on time and see exactly when it happened. >Sept. 11, 3 BC, is one other time this exact alignment/ sign appeared.
9/11 ... eemmm sounds familiar. Wouldn't that be an appropriate date for Satan to step on?

Good catch.

Especially since I have heard Sept, Oct... suggestions.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Can you supply links?

Looks like @The Learner beat me to the punch in post #198 . . .

 

[Zao is life]

Good Afternoon Brother,

100% GUARANTEED that JESUS was not born on December 25th

This is not about "thou shall not" but rather knowing the Truth from the Word.

Secondly, it is the RCC establishment of 'Christmas' that has made it "legalistic" against those who know the 'root'.

Christmas is on the same level as 'pre-trib' rapture = it is a man-made holiday established by Babylon = which the world fully accepts.

Eternal Food for Free Thinking = Revelation 11:7-10
When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves.
And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

Hello my brother, The way you add two seemingly unrelated things in the same post is intriguing brother.

The two witnesses are going to be concerned about the fruit of the Spirit among the saints (which is truly lacking) and the fight for the gospel against the beast.

Yeah, they'll probably also fight against false Christianity and the corrupted gospel. I'm not sure how important 'Christian' holidays ('holy' days) will be to them.

They may even be among us already. The way things are going, I see the beginning of the rise of the beast - which for a long time I've believed to be an Islamic caliphate consisting of Daniel's lion, bear & leopard kingdoms rising from the abyss. The forces of darkness have embarked on the destruction of the state of Israel. Western nations have allowed millions of their soldiers into the West - the Trojan horse I always knew it was. Look at the 'protests' and the slogans they chant. Now it's against 'the Saturday people'. Next it will be 'the Sunday people'. There is a massive war looming.

 

[BreadOfLife]

P.S. - JESUS was not born on Dec 25th

P.S. - JESUS was not born in December

An argument without evidence is called an "opinion" . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Good Afternoon Brother,

100% GUARANTEED that JESUS was not born on December 25th

This is not about "thou shall not" but rather knowing the Truth from the Word.

Secondly, it is the RCC establishment of 'Christmas' that has made it "legalistic" against those who know the 'root'.

Christmas is on the same level as 'pre-trib' rapture = it is a man-made holiday established by Babylon = which the world fully accepts.

Eternal Food for Free Thinking = Revelation 11:7-10
When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves.
And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

And I already pretty much blew that unsubstantiated opinion out of the water . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Nothing wrong with being thankful for the Lord's birth and resurrection...

But God never told us to make big holidays out of them either... unless you have scripture for this?

It's ignorant people like YOU who believe that we can ONLY do things by Scriptural mandate.

Did God tell you that you should eat spaghetti? Doesn't that make it "pagan"??
Should you stay away from it, then?

Here's a challenge for you, Einstein:
Show me ONE example of God condemning His people in Scripture for choosing to celebrate HIM.

Take your time . . .

 

[David in NJ]

Maybe not. Rev. 12:1-2, Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.

A sign in the heavens. What is that? Constellations were used by the Jews for several purposes.
Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; Gen. 1:14
Rev. 12:1-12 has both literal and symbolic meanings. Symbolically, the woman is Israel and the child, Jesus, and the twelve stars can be seen as the twelve tribes of Israel. Even "clothed with the sun" could symbolize the Holy Spirit. Literally, it is a constellation that appears on specific dates in history. Recently it appeared on 9-23-2017. It was the Constellation, Virgo, clothed by the sun, with the moon at her feet, a garland or stars (Leo - 12 stars, likely including two planets), and then Jupiter ( the King planet) entered into what the area of the womb, circles around for nine months and then exists out of the day of birth. You can't make this stuff up. Virgo appears every year around the same time, but not with these other stars, sun, moon and Jupiter in place. That happens rarely throughout history. We can go back on time and see exactly when it happened. >Sept. 11, 3 BC, is one other time this exact alignment/ sign appeared.
9/11 ... eemmm sounds familiar. Wouldn't that be an appropriate date for Satan to step on?

YES indeed

 

[David in NJ]

Hello my brother, The way you add two seemingly unrelated things in the same post is intriguing brother.

The two witnesses are going to be concerned about the fruit of the Spirit among the saints (which is truly lacking) and the fight for the gospel against the beast.

Yeah, they'll probably also fight against false Christianity and the corrupted gospel. I'm not sure how important 'Christian' holidays ('holy' days) will be to them.

They may even be among us already. The way things are going, I see the beginning of the rise of the beast - which for a long time I've believed to be an Islamic caliphate consisting of Daniel's lion, bear & leopard kingdoms rising from the abyss. The forces of darkness have embarked on the destruction of the state of Israel. Western nations have allowed millions of their soldiers into the West - the Trojan horse I always knew it was. Look at the 'protests' and the slogans they chant. Now it's against 'the Saturday people'. Next it will be 'the Sunday people'. There is a massive war looming.

i look at the Scripture as a Singular Whole Word.

There is a Biblical and YEARLY/CURRENT "gift giving holiday" recorded for us in Scripture - do you know where?

 

[David in NJ]

An argument without evidence is called an "opinion" . . .

'What i post is my opinion AND my opinion is seldom wrong AND i will let you know when it is' = LOL

 

[Aunty Jane]

It's ignorant people like YOU who believe that we can ONLY do things by Scriptural mandate.

Did God tell you that you should eat spaghetti? Doesn't that make it "pagan"??
Should you stay away from it, then?

Here's a challenge for you, Einstein:
Show me ONE example of God condemning His people in Scripture for choosing to celebrate HIM.

Take your time . . .

LOL...too easy.
When the Israelites were liberated from slavery in Egypt, they paused at the foot of Mt Sinai and vowed to obey their God. Whilst Moses went up to receive God's Commandments, they thought he was taking too long, so they decided to hold "a festival to the LORD" but instead of obeying their God in the matter of idolatry, they asked Aaron to make them a golden calf which they called "Yahweh"......they had fused false worship with true worship....supposedly celebrating their God........what was God's response? 3,000 Israelites died that day.

They were never permitted to form their own festivals again. All "holy conventions" were strictly controlled by God's law. When they were held....what preparations were made and every aspect that could leave room for human thinking was removed.

But we don't really think that the RCC ever got that memo since its whole agenda was incorporating as much pagan Roman thinking into their worship as possible, making the pagans feel quite at home with their rebranded festivals.

 

[Zao is life]

i look at the Scripture as a Singular Whole Word.

There is a Biblical and YEARLY/CURRENT "gift giving holiday" recorded for us in Scripture - do you know where?

I don't know which one it is. If you're talking about Hanukkah it's not one of God's appointed times in the scriptures, but I'm sure Jesus observed it also.

Passover/Peach is God's gift to mankind.

The only other one I can think of would be Tabernacles/Sukkot but I would have to do some reading in Wikipedia and the Internet to find out if they exchange gifts then.

Simchat Torah is also not one of God's appointed feasts in the Bible. I don't know who added it onto Sukkot and when.

OK I give up..

Which one is it?

 

[David in NJ]

I don't know which one it is. If you're talking about Hanukkah it's not one of God's appointed times in the scriptures, but I'm sure Jesus observed it also.

Passover/Peach is God's gift to mankind.

The only other one I can think of would be Tabernacles/Sukkot but I would have to do some reading in Wikipedia and the Internet to find out if they exchange gifts then.

Simchat Torah is also not one of God's appointed feasts in the Bible. I don't know who added it onto Sukkot and when.

OK I give up..

Which one is it?

Purim = Ester

 

[BlessedPeace]

Good Afternoon Brother,

100% GUARANTEED that JESUS was not born on December 25th

This is not about "thou shall not" but rather knowing the Truth from the Word.

Secondly, it is the RCC establishment of 'Christmas' that has made it "legalistic" against those who know the 'root'.

Christmas is on the same level as 'pre-trib' rapture = it is a man-made holiday established by Babylon = which the world fully accepts.

Eternal Food for Free Thinking = Revelation 11:7-10
When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves.
And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

In truth you cannot prove your assertion.

Furthermore, it is disingenuous for Jehovah Witnesses who are also members here to argue this matter when they do not respect any religious holidays, nor for that matter do they accept the divinity of Jesus. This in part based on John 17:3.

Also, why is this such a passionate issue for some? Who argue,often using Ad Hominem's, their point?

It certainly cannot be to defend their presumption on Biblical principle when their behavior in commission of their argument often violates them.

Some don't celebrate Christian holy days. OK. That's the beauty in freedom of choice.

The Pagan historic angle is actually a red herring. The secular community has Pagan influences in our calendars too. So too does the Christian Biblical account of its history and faith.
12 tribes of Israel,12 Disciples, 12 moon's (months) if the year,12 signs of the zodiac.

Pagan Savior God myths predate Jewish and Christian scripture.
Jews were polytheistic first.
Ours is the Judeo-Christian faith and practice. Judaism is the first covenant.

On and on it goes.

History gives us opportunity to continue to dissect our faith to its bare bones.

I think those who choose to take issue with holy days some Christians respect is something else entirely.

How do offensive positions on these topics justify their resorting to name calling in an effort to condemn and judge someone else for celebrating Christs Mass?

Are we going to dissect our faith to argue why we shouldn't trust in Jesus because ancient people's had their own first?

 

[David in NJ]

LOL...too easy.
When the Israelites were liberated from slavery in Egypt, they paused at the foot of Mt Sinai and vowed to obey their God. Whilst Moses went up to receive God's Commandments, they thought he was taking too long, so they decided to hold "a festival to the LORD" but instead of obeying their God in the matter of idolatry, they asked Aaron to make them a golden calf which they called "Yahweh"......they had fused false worship with true worship....supposedly celebrating their God........what was God's response? 3,000 Israelites died that day.

They were never permitted to form their own festivals again. All "holy conventions" were strictly controlled by God's law. When they were held....what preparations were made and every aspect that could leave room for human thinking was removed.

But we don't really think that the RCC ever got that memo since its whole agenda was incorporating as much pagan Roman thinking into their worship as possible, making the pagans feel quite at home with their rebranded festivals.

ALSO - and this is a BIG ALSO = There was ONLY One Temple to be built in Jerusalem and nowhere else.

 

[BreadOfLife]

'What i post is my opinion AND my opinion is seldom wrong AND i will let you know when it is' = LOL

And you know what they say about opinions -
Everybody has one - and they ALL stink . . .