7 PAGAN FESTIVALS WE STILL CELEBRATE TODAY ~ under the guise of Christian celebrations and names.

[The Learner]

You never answered the question. In your imagination, does the wafer turn into the flesh of the dead Christ or the resurrected, living Christ when you eat it after blessing it?

"What is the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist?​

The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist is a central dogma of the Catholic faith: when the priest consecrates bread and wine during the Mass, they are transformed into the literal body and blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ. The Catechism puts it this way: “The power of the words and the action of Christ, and the power of the Holy Spirit, make sacramentally present under the species of bread and wine Christ’s body and blood, his sacrifice offered on the cross once for all” (1353).

“By this sacrament,” the Catechism says, “we unite ourselves to Christ, who makes us sharers in his body and blood to form a single body” (1331)."

Christ in the Eucharist

Scripture and tradition agree: Christians have believed in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist from the beginning.

www.catholic.com

At what time does the body&blood of our Lord Leave the body before the digestion process???

 

[Zao is life]

"What is the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist?​

The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist is a central dogma of the Catholic faith

That says it all.

Not of the catholic (universal) Christian faith, but of the Roman Catholic faith.

Not of the Bible (hence, not of the aspotles). But of the Roman Catholic faith.

 

[David in NJ]

"What is the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist?​

The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist is a central dogma of the Catholic faith: when the priest consecrates bread and wine during the Mass, they are transformed into the literal body and blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ. The Catechism puts it this way: “The power of the words and the action of Christ, and the power of the Holy Spirit, make sacramentally present under the species of bread and wine Christ’s body and blood, his sacrifice offered on the cross once for all” (1353).

“By this sacrament,” the Catechism says, “we unite ourselves to Christ, who makes us sharers in his body and blood to form a single body” (1331)."

Christ in the Eucharist

Scripture and tradition agree: Christians have believed in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist from the beginning.

www.catholic.com

At what time does the body&blood of our Lord Leave the body before the digestion process???

i have a better question = Why are so many catholic priests pedophiles all the while ingesting the supposed flesh and blood of Christ?

 

[The Learner]

Which Catholic Bible?

If you read much of me and where warranted when giving a list of verses from Bible Hubs drop down list per verse.... I always include 2 or 3 Catholic translations for comparison.

The interesting things is that not all of these are word for word translations..... therefore one would need to wonder why.

3 websites were found with lists of approved Catholic Bibles. You’ll notice there are differences as well as similarities in these lists. The ones that are in BOLD indicate they appear in more than one list.

This is a complete list of the translations of the Sacred Scriptures that have received the approval of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops since 1983.

• Books of the New Testament, Alba House
• Contemporary English Version – New Testament, First Edition, American Bible Society
• Contemporary English Version – Book of Psalms, American Bible Society
• Contemporary English Version – Book of Proverbs, American Bible Society
• The Grail Psalter (Inclusive Language Version), G.I.A. Publications
• New American Bible, Revised Edition (NABRE)
• New Revised Standard Version, Catholic Edition, National Council of Churches
• The Psalms, Alba House
• The Psalms (New International Version) – St. Joseph Catholic Edition, Catholic Book Publishing Company
• The Psalms – St. Joseph New Catholic Version, Catholic Book Publishing Company
• Revised Psalms of the New American Bible (1991)
• So You May Believe, A Translation of the Four Gospels, Alba House
• Good News Translation (Today’s English Version, Second Edition), American Bible Society
• Translation for Early Youth, A Translation of the New Testament for Children, Contemporary English Version, American Bible Society

This is the list of Bible versions that are approved for Catholics, according to uCatholic.com:

• New American Bible: Revised Edition – 2011 – Optimal Equivalence
• Ignatius Bible – 2006 – Formal Equivalence
• Good News Bible: Catholic Edition – 1992 – Dynamic Equivalence
• New Jerusalem Bible – 1990 – Dynamic Equivalence
• New Revised Standard Version – Catholic Edition – 1989 – Formal Equivalence
• Jerusalem Bible – 1966 – Dynamic Equivalence
• Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition – 1966 – Formal Equivalence
• Douay–Rheims Bible – 1582 – Formal Equivalence

And according to maybetoday.org, this is the list of approved Catholic Translations:

• New American Bible Revised Edition
• Revised New Jerusalem Bible
• New Catholic Version/Bible
• New Community Bible
• Abbey Psalms and Canticles
• Jerusalem Bible
• New Jerusalem Bible
• Christian Community Bible
• Alba House New Testament/St. Paul Catholic Edition
• Revised Standard Version—Catholic Edition
• Revised Standard Version—Second Catholic Edition
• New Revised Standard Version—Catholic Edition
• English Standard Version—Catholic Edition
• New Living Translation Catholic Edition
• Douay-Rheims-Challoner Version
• Knox Version
• Confraternity New Testament

Also, the New American Bible is available online at the Vatican website. (cf. Preface)

Is there a parrell Catholic Bible? Are those translations among the
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[The Learner]

The above has nothing to do with the Jews changing their new year day from 1st Nisan to 1st Tishrei after coming back from exile in Babylon.

It refutes the two Babylons nonsense!!!!

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Labor day how's that pagan?

Are we done with Christmas and all the side bars?

I had posted .

As Cassandra had suggested and I started this thread.... with a link... when opened gives us this....

7 Pagan Festivals We Still Celebrate Today - Through Eternity Tours

This article explains the origins of a lot of modern festivals. Learn more with Through Eternity Team!

www.througheternity.com

To not copy the entire thing and hopefully can keep things on track a skosh... they list Labor day as....#5

5. May 1st - Labor Day (Bolding and color changes are me)​

As most people know, Labor Day is a holiday that was established in 1894 to honor the labor movements and unions that improved the conditions of millions of workers. It does seem very modern, right? But it is not! In fact, May 1st was widely celebrated in ancient times too. For the Romans, May 1st was dedicated to Maia, an ancient goddess associated with the element of fire and with fertility. The entire month was - and still is - named after her.

Interestingly enough, Maia was considered a mother goddess and that’s the reason why, after the Christianization of the Roman empire, the Church decided to convert the ancient festival of Maia into a holiday dedicated to another heavenly mother, the Virgin Mary.

We commonly call May 1, Mayday.

But there is quite a history behind it.....

May Day

www.history.com

From the link is...
May Day is a May 1 celebration with a long and varied history, dating back millennia. Throughout the years, there have been many different events and festivities worldwide, most with the express purpose of welcoming in a change of season (spring in the Northern Hemisphere). In the 19th century, May Day took on a new meaning, as an International Workers’ Day grew out of the 19th-century labor movement for worker’s rights and an eight-hour workday in the United States. May Day 2023 will be celebrated on Monday, May 1, 2023.

Origins of May Day: Beltane​

The Celts of the British Isles believed May 1 to be the most important day of the year, when the festival of Beltane was held.

This May Day festival was thought to divide the year in half, between the light and the dark. Symbolic fire was one of the main rituals of the festival, helping to celebrate the return of life and fertility to the world.

When the Romans took over the British Isles, they brought with them their five-day celebration known as Floralia, devoted to the worship of the goddess of flowers, Flora. Taking place between April 20 and May 2, the rituals of this celebration were eventually combined with Beltane.

 

[Zao is life]

It refutes the two Babylons nonsense!!!!

The Two Babylons BOOK by Alexander Hislop has nothing to do with the Jews copying some Babylonian ideas when they returned from exile in Babylon hundreds of years B.C.

I said NOTHING about Babylon and your church.

Not that I don't think there isn't a whole lot pagan about some of your beliefs. But I said NOTHING about Babylon and your church. It was about when the Jews changed their beginning of the year month.

Apples and grapes.

 

[Zao is life]

Of course it's Jesus the Word!

He speaks and so it is!

'Let there be light' He says and it is so..

'This is My body' He says and it is so..

'This cup is the New Covenant in My Blood' He says and it is so..

Why don't you believe Him?

Pax et Bonum

He did not say it IS His FLESH.

Unleavened bread REPRESENTS the bread from heaven, i.e THE WORD OF GOD.

The WORDS of Jesus (i.e of God) are spirit and are life.

 

[The Learner]

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit exposes and condemns the pagan practices of Roman Catholicism.

You can read all about it in the Gospel of John and the Apostles letters

The Dark Secrets Behind the Pope's Audience Hall

Historians have long known that relatively few Nazi war criminals faced justice; those tried at the Nuremberg War Crimes Court, and individuals apprehended much later, such as Adolf Eichmann (tried and executed in Israel in 1962) and Klaus Barbie (sentenced in France in 1987 to life imprisonment; he died in 1991). Thousands of others escaped. This has given rise to conspiracy theories, notably the claim by the Jewish Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal that a powerful secret organization of former SS members, ODESSA (Organization der ehemaligan SS-Angehörigen), facilitated the escape of thousands. In Nazis on the Run Gerald Steinacher writes: “An all-powerful, mythical organization like ODESSA never existed” (p. xviii). In support he cites Heinz Schneppen’s Odessa und das Vierte Reich: Mythen der Zeitgeschichte (Berlin, 2007).

Such an organization was unnecessary. In “the chaos of the post-war years [with] millions of refugees in transit” (p. 2), escape from justice was easy. Steinacher’s book is the fruit of exhaustive primary research, documented in fifty-two pages with 1154 endnotes, plus twenty-two pages of bibliography and sources. The result is a mind-numbing account of how countless individuals got away.

Most fled to “the Nazi bolt-hole” of South Tyrol (p. 32). To this day ethnically and linguistically German, the province was detached in the Versailles Treaty of 1919 from the collapsed Austro-Hungarian monarchy and given to Italy. Once these individuals reached South Tyrol, they were in Italy, where “fake IDs were not a problem after the war” (p. 42). Moreover, the Italian authorities “had great interest in encouraging the emigration of refugees as quickly as possible” (p. 64). Most boarded ships in Genoa and Naples for Argentina and other South American countries. The International Red Cross also was helpful. Although there is no evidence that the organization deliberately supported an escape route for ex-Nazis (p. 99), it had issued at least 120,000 transit documents by 1951 (p. 56). Even before that date the United States was actively recruiting former Nazis for service in the cold war against the USSR, and Juan Perón’s Argentina was doing the same to build up its economy and military.

Readers of this journal will be especially interested in the role of Catholic clergy in assisting escapees. Two names recur constantly in Steinacher’s account: the Croatian monsignor Krunoslav Dragonavić and the Austrian bishop Alois Hudal—the latter a notorious loose cannon who was increasingly embarrassing to the Vatican and was never Pope Pius XII’s protegé, as Steinacher claims (p. 126). The two men facilitated hundreds of escapes. However, their activities never constituted the much-trumpeted “Vatican Ratline.” Steinacher concedes that “the Vatican was not a monolithic bloc”: there were “different voices and positions within the Catholic Church” (p. 285). [End Page 150] A full account of these “different voices” may be obtained from Hunting Evil: How the Nazi War Criminals Escaped and the Hunt to Bring Them to Justice (London, 2009) by Guy Walters, who, like Steinacher, is a non-Catholic. Steinacher does not understand that conditional baptism, often administered to those seeking church documentation, was routine practice and not a trick devised to facilitate escape (pp. 148ff). Although he credits West Germany with publicly acknowledging German guilt for the Holocaust (p. 275), he is silent about that nation’s payments of reparations to Israel. Steinacher’s most serious omission is complete silence about the documentation of church persecution by the Nazis supplied to the Nuremberg War Crimes trials by Pope Pius XII. He met personally with Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson, the chief U.S. prosecutor; and Jesuit Edmund Walsh, who transmitted the Vatican documentation, said the material was “of great value to us.”1

John Jay Hughes
Archdiocese of St. Louis

Project MUSE - <i>Nazis on the Run: How Hitler’s Henchmen Fled Justice</i> (review)

 

[The Learner]

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit exposes and condemns the pagan practices of Roman Catholicism.

You can read all about it in the Gospel of John and the Apostles letters

The Dark Secrets Behind the Pope's Audience Hall

Nazis on the Run by Gerald Steinacher – review

Richard J Evans on a level-headed book details who helped the Nazis flee Germany, and why

www.theguardian.com

https://www.jstor.org/stable/41819509

Nazis on the Run | David Motadel

In the summer of 2020 a court in Hamburg found Bruno Dey, a ninety-three-year-old former member of the SS Totenkopfsturmbann (Death’s Head Battalion) and

www.nybooks.com

 

[The Learner]

The Two Babylons BOOK by Alexander Hislop has nothing to do with the Jews copying some Babylonian ideas when they returned from exile in Babylon hundreds of years B.C.

I said NOTHING about Babylon and your church.

Not that I don't think there isn't a whole lot pagan about some of your beliefs. But I said NOTHING about Babylon and your church. It was about when the Jews changed their beginning of the year month.

Apples and grapes.

What was the name of this thread? It follows the copycat thesis to the letter, which results in Jesus coming from pagan stories of their gods.

 

[The Learner]

He did not say it IS His FLESH.

Unleavened bread REPRESENTS the bread from heaven, i.e THE WORD OF GOD.

The WORDS of Jesus (i.e of God) are spirit and are life.

52 Then the Jews began to argue among themselves. They said, “How can this man give us his body to eat?”

53 Jesus said, “Believe me when I say that you must eat the body of the Son of Man, and you must drink his blood. If you don’t do this, you have no real life. 54 Those who eat my body and drink my blood have eternal life. I will raise them up on the last day. 55 My body is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Those who eat my body and drink my blood live in me, and I live in them.

I guess some take it literally and others symbolic.

 

[The Learner]

wow I made it to here.

 

[Zao is life]

What was the name of this thread? It follows the copycat thesis to the letter, which results in Jesus coming from pagan stories of their gods.

There was a conversation between me and someone else about when the Jews changed their first-month-of-the-year from Nisan to Tishrei.

No law says every conversation needs to stay 100% on track.

You should read each post properly before jumping to assumptions about what it's saying, and about which faith.

 

[Zao is life]

52 Then the Jews began to argue among themselves. They said, “How can this man give us his body to eat?”

53 Jesus said, “Believe me when I say that you must eat the body of the Son of Man, and you must drink his blood. If you don’t do this, you have no real life. 54 Those who eat my body and drink my blood have eternal life. I will raise them up on the last day. 55 My body is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Those who eat my body and drink my blood live in me, and I live in them.

I guess some take it literally and others symbolic.

Immediately afterward - immediately after they turned away and stopped following Jesus - Jesus explained to those who remained what He meant.

Pity you isolate only one part of the passage from the rest as well as from the rest of what scripture teaches about the symbol of the unleavened bread - which starts in Exodus - and what else Jesus said about it - only so that you can defend the indefensible.

Doesn't say much for what Roman theology devolved into after the time of Peter.

 

[David in NJ]

52 Then the Jews began to argue among themselves. They said, “How can this man give us his body to eat?”

53 Jesus said, “Believe me when I say that you must eat the body of the Son of Man, and you must drink his blood. If you don’t do this, you have no real life. 54 Those who eat my body and drink my blood have eternal life. I will raise them up on the last day. 55 My body is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Those who eat my body and drink my blood live in me, and I live in them.

I guess some take it literally and others symbolic.

Those who took it literally stopped following Jesus from that moment.

Those who were deeply troubled by Jesus words came to Him for an explanation and this is JESUS explanation: John 6:60-65

Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?”

When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you?
What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before?
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing.
The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

Jesus said "these words I speak are SPIRIT and LIFE" whereas "the flesh profits nothing"

Concerning this dialogue with Jesus, the Apostle Peter will later write this: 1 Peter 1:22-25

Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, because:
“All flesh is as grass,
And all the glory of man as the flower of the grass.
The grass withers,
And its flower falls away,
But the word of the Lord endures forever.”
Now this is the word which by the gospel was preached to you

 

[Philip James]

He did not say it IS His FLESH.

Hello FoG,

Well of course He did: the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world

Now when did He give the apostles bread again?

While they were eating, he took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, and said, "Take it; this is my body."

The WORDS of Jesus (i.e of God) are spirit and are life.

Yes, indeed they are!

"Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.

Pax et Bonum

 

[BeyondET]

Are we done with Christmas and all the side bars?

I had posted .

As Cassandra had suggested and I started this thread.... with a link... when opened gives us this....

7 Pagan Festivals We Still Celebrate Today - Through Eternity Tours

This article explains the origins of a lot of modern festivals. Learn more with Through Eternity Team!

www.througheternity.com

To not copy the entire thing and hopefully can keep things on track a skosh... they list Labor day as....#5


We commonly call May 1, Mayday.

But there is quite a history behind it.....

May Day

www.history.com

From the link is...
May Day is a May 1 celebration with a long and varied history, dating back millennia. Throughout the years, there have been many different events and festivities worldwide, most with the express purpose of welcoming in a change of season (spring in the Northern Hemisphere). In the 19th century, May Day took on a new meaning, as an International Workers’ Day grew out of the 19th-century labor movement for worker’s rights and an eight-hour workday in the United States. May Day 2023 will be celebrated on Monday, May 1, 2023.

Origins of May Day: Beltane​

The Celts of the British Isles believed May 1 to be the most important day of the year, when the festival of Beltane was held.

This May Day festival was thought to divide the year in half, between the light and the dark. Symbolic fire was one of the main rituals of the festival, helping to celebrate the return of life and fertility to the world.

When the Romans took over the British Isles, they brought with them their five-day celebration known as Floralia, devoted to the worship of the goddess of flowers, Flora. Taking place between April 20 and May 2, the rituals of this celebration were eventually combined with Beltane.

Labor day isn't in May and it's not on the first of September just the first Monday of September.

May day has nothing to do with Labor day. Completely different reasons

 

[Philip James]

Doesn't say much for what Roman theology devolved into after the time of Peter.

If Rome is your stumbling block, then come to the Feast with Alexandria! Come with Constantinople! But Come!

I would challenge you to identify just one community, founded by an apostle that doesn't hold that Christ is substantially present in the Eucharist..

Pax et Bonum

 

[RR144]

"So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a [j]festival or a new moon or sabbaths." - Colossians 2:16