Losing Your Salvation - Bible Verses

[GracePeace]

Okay, I am a point that I am lost anyway. I do believe that people have been saved from the 'wrath of God', because the 'wrath of God' was poured out on unbelievers, in Ad 70. However most think I am just a nutcase for saying things like that. I do believe people are saved from death, spiriutal death, Satan, the beast, the false prophet, hades, and sin. As being on their account when they pass away, they will have their choice whether or not they had faith, and then again it all goes back down to this.

Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of the city in heaven?

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All the best to all.

Big can of worms.
Don't need to get in to it bc it's not the topic of the thread.

 

[GracePeace]

Okay, I am a point that I am lost anyway. I do believe that people have been saved from the 'wrath of God', because the 'wrath of God' was poured out on unbelievers, in Ad 70. However most think I am just a nutcase for saying things like that. I do believe people are saved from death, spiriutal death, Satan, the beast, the false prophet, hades, and sin. As being on their account when they pass away, they will have their choice whether or not they had faith, and then again it all goes back down to this.

Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of the city in heaven?

Hello there, PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE POST Many people believe that God is going to destroy people in the lake of fire, but is that true? In Revelation 20, you see that the devil, the false prophet, the beast are all placed in the lake of fire forever; and then following those who name was not...

www.christianityboard.com

All the best to all.

Just a small point: how are people "saved" from wrath by "wrath" being poured out on them (if they are the unbelievers who are subjects of the wrath)? That is not logical.

Also, how are some unbelievers saved from wrath by some other unbelievers having wrath poured out of them? A sacrifice has to be sinless. Christ was sinless. When wrath was poured out of Him, He took what He didn't deserve, so that we could be given what we don't deserve, but if a sinner is punished with wrath, he deserves it, so how can he bear both his and your sin?

That is a very confusing belief.

 

[MatthewG]

Big can of worms.
Don't need to get in to it bc it's not the topic of the thread.

Sure it deals with people who even turned away from Salvation, becoming back faithless. People can lose salvation by becoming faithless, but what happens to faithless people? Some people praise Yahava, for them being in hell., and being in fire forever and ever and ever.

 

[MatthewG]

Just a small point: how are people "saved" from wrath by "wrath" being poured out on them? That is not logical.

John the baptized said "Who told you about the coming wrath", in their day to be saved from the great and dreadful day of the LORD that would come, was to be saved by faith and to be saved from the destruction coming upon Israel, was for them to have faith - to escape the wrath which had come upon the sons of disobedience.

 

[Hillsage]

Those whom reject a spiritual new birth and the creation of a new man unto life, will only be resurrected to receive punishment for that rejection.
No second chances after death!
The 2nd death awaits those who remain spiritually DEAD in unbelief !

IF the Father didn't "Predestine, called, ordain, draw," you, to get your 'spirit born' AGAIN into the family of Christ in this life, your first chance won't be in this age. There was no initial 'still births the first time, are no partial rebirths in this age and there are no second chances in the ages to come.

And there is no being born again this age without The FATHER initiating it in this age either.

JOH 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him;

ROM 8:30 And those whom he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified.

ACT 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of God; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.



NUM 16:22 And they fell on their faces, and said, "O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh,

Genesis 7:15 And they/ANIMALS went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath/RUWACH of life/CHAY.
So are animals all alive because of dead spirits from Adams sin too?


PS can't make out your red 'Avatar' and miss your old signature.

 

[GracePeace]

Sure it deals with people who even turned away from Salvation, becoming back faithless. People can lose salvation by becoming faithless, but what happens to faithless people? Some people praise Yahava, for them being in hell., and being in fire forever and ever and ever.

But don't you say all will be saved?

 

[GracePeace]

John the baptized said "Who told you about the coming wrath", in their day to be saved from the great and dreadful day of the LORD that would come, was to be saved by faith and to be saved from the destruction coming upon Israel, was for them to have faith - to escape the wrath which had come upon the sons of disobedience.

You said all people are saved because wrath was poured out on unbelievers in AD70... but, again, this would not include the unbelievers upon whom the wrath was poured, right, so "all men" are not "saved" from wrath?

Also, you're turning the unbelievers into Christs--into sacrifices for sin--aren't you?

 

[MatthewG]

But don't you say all will be saved?

To the going inside of the Kingdom of Heaven? No. There are people who are on the outside. You would have to go back and open the can of worms.

 

[MatthewG]

You said all people are saved because wrath was poured out on unbelievers in AD70... but, again, this would not include the unbelievers upon whom the wrath was poured, right, so "all men" are not "saved" from wrath?

Also, you're turning the unbelievers into Christs--into sacrifices for sin--aren't you?

Im just telling you I believe that Jesus Christ has placed all things underneath his feet, and has caused a new world, and a new heaven which we live into under a different administration than which was the 1st covenant.

 

[GracePeace]

To the going inside of the Kingdom of Heaven? No. There are people who are on the outside. You would have to go back and open the can of worms.

I just want to talk about the verses that teach salvation can be lost. LOL

 

[L.A.M.B.]

IF the Father didn't "Predestine, called, ordain, draw," you, to get your 'spirit born' AGAIN into the family of Christ in this life, your first chance won't be in this age. There was no initial 'still births the first time, are no partial rebirths in this age and there are no second chances in the ages to come.

And there is no being born again this age without The FATHER initiating it in this age either.

JOH 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him;

ROM 8:30 And those whom he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified.

ACT 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of God; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.



NUM 16:22 And they fell on their faces, and said, "O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh,

Genesis 7:15 And they/ANIMALS went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath/RUWACH of life/CHAY. (xr 6:17, 7:22)
So are animals all alive because of dead spirits from Adams sin too?

I do not believe as J Calvin taught, by his corrupting the word of God to fit his theology.

I stand by whosever will, let him come ! This does not disallow the scripture you quoted, just the theology you follow!

I can also see that we are done.

 

[MatthewG]

I just want to talk about the verses that teach salvation can be lost. LOL

Okay then, do that. See ya. Thank you for the questions, all I can is ignore them or answer them.

 

[GracePeace]

Im just telling you I believe that Jesus Christ has placed all things underneath his feet, and has caused a new world, and a new heaven which we live into under a different administration than which was the 1st covenant.

I would have to differ.

I subscribe to the "already but not yet" principle--we're seated with Christ in heavenly places right now, spiritually, but, in the future, those who persist in faith in their lives, in their walks, will physically enjoy enthronement.

 

[MatthewG]

I would have to differ.

I subscribe to the "already but not yet" principle--we're seated with Christ in heavenly places right now, spiritually, but, in the future, those who persist in faith in their lives, in their walks, will physically enjoy enthronement.

Good. Thank you again.

 

[Hillsage]

I do not believe as J Calvin taught, by his corrupting the word of God to fit his theology.

I stand by whosever will, let him come ! This does not disallow the scripture you quoted, just the theology you follow!

I can also see that we are done.

I'm sorry that's the case

PHI 2:13 for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

To God be the Glory AMEN.

 

[Taken]

We differ: reading Romans 7, I think it is possible that people are not born spiritually dead, but they are born with the sinful flesh, so, because of the inevitable slavery to sin to which men become subjected by dint of the presence of that sinful flesh, men spiritually die.

It's interesting that Christ says the angels of the children daily behold the face of God. How is that the case if they're spiritually dead?

I don't think it's tenable to say every single last person who dies the second death (including death itself) had once believed in Jesus.

Spiritual death, is not believing in the Lord God, thus separated from God.

Natural born persons are naturally born not believing in the Lord God, thus separated from God.

Thus, a natural babe, who is hearing, learning, deciding, choosing to Believe is becoming Prepared to become Spiritually Alive and that occurs after the individual heartfully makes that true confession.

The one DEATH all humans shall, must experience, is physical death.

Those who reject being MADE spiritually alive, will experience Physical Death and a Second spiritual death, resulting in forever separation from the Lord God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[GracePeace]

I'm sorry that's the case

PHI 2:13 for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

To God be the Glory AMEN.

Oops, you forgot the other part of that.
Here it is.

Philippians 2
12Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. 13For it is God who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good purpose.

So, "God is working, therefore obey," is the more complete idea.

 

[GracePeace]

Spiritual death, is not believing in the Lord God, thus separated from God.

Natural born persons are naturally born not believing in the Lord God, thus separated from God.

Thus, a natural babe, who is hearing, learning, deciding, choosing to Believe is becoming Prepared to become Spiritually Alive and that occurs after the individual heartfully makes that true confession.

The one DEATH all humans shall, must experience, is physical death.

Those who reject being MADE spiritually alive, will experience Physical Death and a Second spiritual death, resulting in forever separation from the Lord God.

Glory to God,
Taken

Death occurred, for Adam, because of his sin.
Those born in Adam have the "body of sin", and we spiritually die because of being forced into sin by that body.
Christ resurrects us from the spiritual death which the body of sin caused.
Absence of faith in Christ doesn't cause death, presence of faith in Christ fixes death (caused by sin).

 

[L.A.M.B.]

I'm sorry that's the case

PHI 2:13 for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

To God be the Glory AMEN.

Amen, to God be the glory!
He doesn't stop working with us until death.
Signature is back, thanks, avatar is a crimson rose.

 

[GracePeace]

The one DEATH all humans shall, must experience, is physical death.

Just a technicality, I guess, but what about the generation that sees Christ's return? They won't die, they will be transformed.

An aside, anyway, I guess.

Not directly related to verses in the Bible proving salvation can be lost.