BarneyFife
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No, I'm not interested in reaching those that have already been deceived.
That's admirable.
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No, I'm not interested in reaching those that have already been deceived.
I gave you the scriptures. Not my personal opinions...but yet you attack me personally. What is wrong with you?You seem to be operating on a caricature of same sex couples that doesn't match reality.
Do you really not know any LGBT people? (dogs to you)
I saw a video the other day of a gay couple that had been married for 50 years.
Do you not have any gay people in Tennessee? Maybe you treat them like lepers?
No.Adam and Eve's marriage = PASS or FAIL?
Is this really the model for marriage? A&E.
The result of this relationship was the Fall of humankind. FAIL.
(assuming we take the Genesis record as literal)
Adam failed as a husband and Eve failed as a wife. FAIL.
(although I think Eve was set up by bad leadership from Adam)
Example: Eve told the serpent that they were
not allowed "to touch" the forbidden fruit. Where did that come from?
God told Adam that he was not allowed to eat.
Nothing (in the text) was said about not touching.
Therefore Adam was caught in his misstatement to Eve. (he added to God;s word) FAIL.
The serpent could easily disprove that death would not come from touching the fruit.
And Adam stood by and said nothing. FAIL.
Eve decided to take the fruit and eat based on here discussion with the serpent.
She did not consult with her husband. FAIL. And Adam followed her lead. FAIL.
Do we really want to declare A&E's failed relationship as God's model for marriage?
Perhaps we should look elsewhere? Open to suggestions.
Is the ability to procreate the only requirement for the "model" marriage?
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I explained where I am coming from on LGBT in this topic OP. (opening post)This is a Christian Forum. If you are a homosexual you have to know that Christianity does not accept the homosexual perversion as an acceptable lifestyle.
One of the claims used against LGBT is that A&E were God's design for marriage.You asked about marriage...I gave an answer.
Then out of left field you turn this into a conversation about homosexuality and I gave you the reply of what the scriptures say.
I hope you don't believe that is about salvation, but most do, unfortunately.Narrow is the gate that leads to life and FEW find it. Broad is the gate that leads to death. The masses always find that path.
I bring challenges.Why are you here?
To what purpose?
This is a Christian Forum.
This is something I am trying to address on the forums.As for me personally?
I do not hang out with homosexuals. First off there aren't many around. Secondly, I have had nothing, nada, zero in common with those I have met with which to base a friendship upon. I have, and will continue to have, a radically different lifestyle, ideals, goals, pursuits than homosexuals do.
I have worked with a few over the years and kept my relationships with them strictly professional...
I don't persecute them. No need! They are self destructive all by themselves.
Here’s an odd passage …why did Jesus tell Mary not to touch Him?Example: Eve told the serpent that they were
not allowed "to touch" the forbidden fruit. Where did that come from?
God told Adam that he was not allowed to eat.
Nothing (in the text) was said about not touching.
Therefore Adam was caught in his misstatement to Eve. (he added to God;s word) FAIL.
The serpent could easily disprove that death would not come from touching the fruit.
And Adam stood by and said nothing. FAIL.
2 Corinthians 6:16-18 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? for you are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [17] Wherefore come out from among them, and be you separate, says the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, [18] And will be a Father unto you, and you shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.Here’s an odd passage …why did Jesus tell Mary not to touch Him?
John 20:11-17 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre, [12] And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. [13] And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him. [14] And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. [15] Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. [16] Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. [17] Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
I bring challenges.
I am re-evaluating a lot of things.
Do you see the forum as a glad-handing echo chamber?
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Interesting. Thanks.Here’s an odd passage …why did Jesus tell Mary not to touch Him?
This is something I am trying to address on the forums.
The way that Christians look down on others. This attitude of superiority.
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Good question/observation. Still a work in progress.Pardon me but the way you approach Scripture with regard to re-evaluating seems to be more confident, suggesting past tense—re-evaluated—rather than present—re-evaluating.
Perhaps I'm assuming too much.
Sure.In any case, there might be a happy medium somewhere between glad-handing and skepticism, dare I suggest such a thing.
Would an echo chamber be okay if it was filled with re-evaluationist challenges?
I was challenge the idea that A&E were God's model for marriage.There is no "model" marriage.
Meant as a lateral observation. Not as looking down.Sometimes Christians feel as though other Christians are looking down on them. Suggestions that they might be members of glad-handing echo chambers might be seen by some as such. I've done it myself, so, just sayin'.
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Agree very odd. I did think of His telling Thomas to handle Him. And I also thought of His telling them unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no part of me. In discussions of the woman saying “we were told not to touch” the unclean thing? or “we were told not to eat” the unclean thing? I’m not sure if we are correct in whether it’s to not eat, or not touch, or to not handle …the fruit from that one tree in the midst. They all seem like something I would (not) want to do whether handling it, touching it, or eating it —of that which is not Christ.Interesting. Thanks.
Very odd indeed.
Later Jesus asked Thomas to touch him.
Had he ascended to the Father by then?
Did he ascend again at his Ascension?
Was he ascended in the time between?
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Like for example…you can lust after another man’s wife as long as you don’t handle her or touch her. It’s the handling or the touching that makes it adultery. The action. We say this (or I’ve heard it said) that it’s the “not touching” of that which is desirable. That’s what she said.Agree very odd. I did think of His telling Thomas to handle Him. And I also thought of His telling them unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no part of me. In discussions of the woman saying “we were told not to touch” the unclean thing? or “we were told not to eat” the unclean thing? I’m not sure if we are correct in whether it’s to not eat, or not touch, or to not handle …the fruit from that one tree in the midst. They all seem like something I would (not) want to do whether handling it, touching it, or eating it —of that which is not Christ.
I'm not sure that this has anything to do with the success or failure of Adam and Eve's marriage. Their failure was in their relationship with God.Adam and Eve's marriage = PASS or FAIL?
Is this really the model for marriage? A&E.
The result of this relationship was the Fall of humankind. FAIL.
(assuming we take the Genesis record as literal)
Adam failed as a husband and Eve failed as a wife. FAIL.
(although I think Eve was set up by bad leadership from Adam)
Example: Eve told the serpent that they were
not allowed "to touch" the forbidden fruit. Where did that come from?
God told Adam that he was not allowed to eat.
Nothing (in the text) was said about not touching.
Therefore Adam was caught in his misstatement to Eve. (he added to God;s word) FAIL.
The serpent could easily disprove that death would not come from touching the fruit.
And Adam stood by and said nothing. FAIL.
Eve decided to take the fruit and eat based on here discussion with the serpent.
She did not consult with her husband. FAIL. And Adam followed her lead. FAIL.
Do we really want to declare A&E's failed relationship as God's model for marriage?
Perhaps we should look elsewhere? Open to suggestions.
Is the ability to procreate the only requirement for the "model" marriage?
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Adam and Eve had many children, not just the three named sons. And I doubt very much that they had no children at all between Abel's birth and his murder; they're just irrelevant to the story and therefore not mentioned. Daughters are specifically referred to in Genesis 5:4.NONE of the daughters are mentioned. Who was Cain's wife?
My point was that God had not said anything to that effect.I’m not sure if we are correct in whether it’s to not eat, or not touch, or to not handle
But Jesus said the lust for wanting to have (own her?) was adultery in his heart.Like for example…you can lust after another man’s wife as long as you don’t handle her or touch her. It’s the handling or the touching that makes it adultery. The action. We say this (or I’ve heard it said) that it’s the “not touching” of that which is desirable. That’s what she said.