Eternally Grateful
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No but you said receive AND….What letters in the word "receive" in my post spell "earned"?
You say you must do the “and” to keep eternal life
That’s the definition of earning it
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No but you said receive AND….What letters in the word "receive" in my post spell "earned"?
It's a false accusation. Are you calling me a liar?Again why do you not trust God to completely save you?
Does god save you completely when you are born againIt's a false accusation. Are you calling me a liar?
So would you like the translators of the Bible to take the apostle John's teaching out after the word "and" in the verse below, because according to you John is teaching false doctrine by including something which you interpret as "earning" salvation"?No but you said receive AND….
You say you must do the “and” to keep eternal life
That’s the definition of earning it
You have to not do something in order not to lose it.Does god save you completely when you are born again
Or do you have to do something to keep or maintain it?
No I would like you to translate those passages properly. And admit they are a result of being saved not down to earn salvationSo would you like the translators of the Bible to take the apostle John's teaching out after the word "and" in the verse below, because according to you John is teaching false doctrine by including something which you interpret as "earning" salvation"?
1 John 3
23 And this is His commandment, that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
Was Jesus telling us that we have to earn our salvation when He said, "I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. As I have loved you, you should also love one another." -- John 13:34
How about abiding in the Vine? Was that a commandment that we need to "earn" our salvation by, or a statement of fact?:
5 I am the Vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered. And they gather and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. -- John 15.
You've made it obvious by now that you confuse the word "abide" in the words "abide in Me" with the words "works" and "earn", and you confuse the words "and love one another" likewise with the words "works", and:"earn".
You change the wording of the record of Jesus' and John's teaching if you want it changed. I don't mess around with the scripture.No I would like you to translate those passages properly. And admit they are a result of being saved not down to earn salvation
Just another way of saying you have to.You have to not do something in order not to lose it.
Jesus words, not mine.
What do you think that might be?
You change the words of Never to maybe not. and eternal to conditional.You change the wording of the record of Jesus' and John's teaching if you want it changed. I don't mess around with the scripture.
You've made it obvious by now that you confuse the words whoever does not abide and cast out with the words "worked for", and "earned".
Jesus's Name is "God Is Our Righteousness" (Jer 23:6).I wasn't sure what you meant, and I wrongly assumed you meant one of two things, but you meant a third thing, which is that JESUS says "they are worthy". I agree.
Actually it's God the Father who says we are worthy because He sees the righteousness of Christ when He sees us, and it covers our sins because of our faith in Jesus and our obedience through faith.
Jesus has made us worthy, and it's imputed to us through our faith in Him and obedience through our faith. The Father declares us worthy.
It doesn't have to be the exact same words as long as it is accurately conveying the right idea. But it happens in this case, scripture does mention supply of the Spirit in those exact words:Not understanding how God supplies the Spirit?
How does God “supply” his Spirit to a Born Again?..that’s not biblical.
And this is all relevant to your OP...as without being Born of God....one is reading scripture in their own strength.
There is no power in anyone..without the Holy Spirit?
I am also not suppressing your opinion....I am voicing mine.
Amen. Good topic. Just realized this thread is 50 pages long, so probably I'm only repeating what others have said....but just wanted to put my two cents i the pot......that obedience and being on the narrow way that leads to life go hand in hand. If we're living in utter disobedience to God, we are not on the narrow way that leads to life.Some acknowledge that it is possible for a believer to fail to remain in Christ, but they want to deny it is an issue on which eternal life hinges.
You are commanded to remain in Him to continue being supplied with His Spirit;
we only remain in Him by obeying His commands (1 Jn 3:23,24).
If we say we think we are going to be saved while disobeying, and not receiving the eternal life, that's not sound doctrine, is it?
1 John 2
28And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming.
1 John 3
23This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
24The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.
We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
1 John 5
21Little children, keep yourselves from idols.
So, what makes the little children not abide in Christ? Idolatry. Sin. There are two different forms of the idolatry--not remaining in faith in the Son (eg, as the Galatians, who went after "another Gospel", and "deserted Him Who calls you in the grace of Christ" (Gal 1:6)), and the other would be the "idolatry" of failing to love others (ie, by not walking in faith, whereby God's righteousness is revealed (Ro 1:5,16,17), leading to "condemnation" (Ro 14:23)).
I'd say half of the 50 pages was just poop-flinging, so if you skip over that it should be an quick read.Amen. Good topic. Just realized this thread is 50 pages long, so probably I'm only repeating what others have said....but just wanted to put my two cents i the pot......that obedience and being on the narrow way that leads to life go hand in hand. If we're living in utter disobedience to God, we are not on the narrow way that leads to life.
AmenPraise God, Halleluiah. Jesus is coming soon. I'm excited and ready, I've been washed in His Blood and sealed until the day.
Ephesians 1:12-14 -
12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
You change thew words of "whoever does not abide in Me is cast out" toYou change the words of Never to maybe not. and eternal to conditional.
I have not changed the words at all. The passage you are talking about is not discussing eternal life. it is discussing Sanctification. or fruit bearing..
Context context..
Should I bring a helmet or an umbrella, lol! Without reading past the second page I'm guessing OSAS is at the bottom of most of it.....it always causes contention.I'd say half of the 50 pages was just poop-flinging, so if you skip over that it should be an quick read.
1 John 2: 3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.Amen. Good topic. Just realized this thread is 50 pages long, so probably I'm only repeating what others have said....but just wanted to put my two cents i the pot......that obedience and being on the narrow way that leads to life go hand in hand. If we're living in utter disobedience to God, we are not on the narrow way that leads to life.
They allege another passage says "whoever comes to Me I will never cast out", but it says "whoever is coming to Me", another "abiding" verse.You change thew words of "whoever does not abide in Me is cast out" to
"Never!"
I believe Jesus. It's you and those who believe as you do who have changed it to "whoever does not abide in Me will NEVER be cast out".
dude your stuck on one verse out of millions.You change thew words of "whoever does not abide in Me is cast out" to
"Never!"
I believe Jesus. It's you and those who believe as you do who have changed it to "whoever does not abide in Me will NEVER be cast out".