Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

[Eternally Grateful]

Throughout this discussion, you've proven you have exactly zero things "right"--that is, not that you have zero truth, but that you have zero complete truth. You have some truth, and you have eternal life, but your explications of the Scripture are utterly lacking. You believe a little saying over here, a little snippet over there, but you don't believe it all, and you reject clear doctrines when they don't fit your paradigm (eg, branches that don't abide are thrown in the fire, but you deny that this is a salvific issue). Your explanations offer no help to someone like myself who just wants to know what Scripture teaches.

You think because you have derived some benefit from what you have believed that there is nothing left to be said--and that idea is debunked when we look at Scripture.

lol

You have zero truth.

so there

when you want to discuss the word of god come talk to me. I am done with your holier than though self righteous judgments

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It's not written, and it does not have to be. It's written that he sobbed, showing his remorse, and you are making it obvious by your RIDICULOUS question that you want to use the fact that it's not written that Peter asked Jesus for forgiveness to imply that after Peter saw Jesus alive again, and realized it was Jesus, that Peter did not ask Jesus for forgiveness.
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Do you honestly expect anyone to believe YOU when you IMPLY that because it's not written that Peter asked Jesus for forgiveness, that he did not do so?

You need to answer the questions I asked you which you just ignore please, or else I will also have to ignore all your ridiculous red herring questions too.​

Thats what I thought

the bible tells us how Jesus recieved Peter and restored him

Peter do you love me, feed my sheep

if you look in the greek, it goes even deeper. Because Peter could not really say he Agape loved christ, But Jesus told him do it anyway

that's how you restore people.. But peter was never lost. he did nto lose salvation. or eternal life.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are still hurling false accusations about him still wanting to earn eternal life which he already said is a gift, betraying the fact that you cannot tell the difference between not earning salvation, and not abiding in the salvation that was not earned.​

when you say a gift must be earned, You can call it a gift a million times. Your wrong.. a million times

don;t accuse me falsly..i AM SICK OF YOUR FALSE JUDGMENT

Esau had a birthright. His birthright was not earned through any 'righteousness' of Abraham, because it is not written that Abraham was righteous. It's written that his faith in the Word of God was credited to Abraham FOR righteousness, and when God called him, there was nothing Abraham needed do ,except receive the promise through faith in the Word of God. It was 430 years before the law, and the law did not annul the promise.

So Esau never earned his birthright. He could not earn it, either.

But he could lose it. And he did. He did not abide in it.

Lets get it right my friend.​

Salvation is not a birthright.

do you listen to yourself?

 

[GracePeace]

lol

You have zero truth.

so there

when you want to discuss the word of god come talk to me. I am done with your holier than though self righteous judgments

You're free to address anything I've stated in order to prove this assertion.
You should start with how you deny being thrown in the fire is a salvific issue.
I won't hold my breath. LOL

 

[GracePeace]

when you say a gift must be earned, You can call it a gift a million times. Your wrong.. a million times

don;t accuse me falsly..i AM SICK OF YOUR FALSE JUDGMENT

Salvation is not a birthright.

do you listen to yourself?

People must reap the harvest of eternal life by doing good deeds (Gal 6:6-10).
People must be repaid eternal life for their good deeds (Ro 2:6-16).

Again, Scripture teaches both--you accept only one, and reject the other.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yep, it is by righteousness that we have it as a gift--the righteousness of God by grace through faith.
It is kept by grace through faith--we are not under Law we are under Grace.
That is, Grace and faith is the way we serve today (Ro 6:14, 7:6; Gal 5:6).
When we walk in faith we are revealing "God's righteousness... from faith to faith" (Ro 1:5,16,17).

I am with you 100 % up to here

Consequently, the one who does not walk in faith is "condemned" (Ro 14:5,23).

But then you go and try to earn this gift by walking.....

But I thought those who "in Him" have "no condemnation" (Ro 8:1)?
So, clearly, not all abide in Him (1 Jn 2:28) where the life is (1 Jn 5:11).
And the branches who do not abide are thrown in the fire (Jn 15).

It's quite clear.

yes it is quite clear.

You believe we are saved by faith plus works..

Good luck!

 

[Zao is life]

Thats what I thought

the bible tells us how Jesus recieved Peter and restored him

Peter do you love me, feed my sheep

if you look in the greek, it goes even deeper. Because Peter could not really say he Agape loved christ, But Jesus told him do it anyway

that's how you restore people.. But peter was never lost. he did nto lose salvation. or eternal life.

Peter did not stop abiding in Christ after Christ forgave him. He lived many years afterward.

Your argument is mute because the truth is that if Peter stopped abiding in Christ at some point afterward, he would have lost his salvation.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You're free to address anything I've stated in order to prove this assertion.
You should start with how you deny being thrown in the fire is not a salvific issue.
I won't hold my breath. LOL

lol.. All any user has to do is read our conversations and they will see them..

 

[GracePeace]

I am with you 100 % up to here

But then you go and try to earn this gift by walking.....

yes it is quite clear.

You believe we are saved by faith plus works..

Good luck!

Yup, I believe all of Scripture, not just little slivers of it, like you do.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Peter did not stop abiding in Christ after Christ forgave him. He lived many years afterward.

Your argument is mute because the truth is that if Peter stopped abiding in Christ at some point afterward, he would have lost his salvation.

He did nto stop abiding in christ BEFORE he was restored.

Your argument is mute, Because peter had eternal life. and God keeps his promises..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yup, I believe all of Scripture, not just little slivers of it, like you do.

good day sir.. again, I am not going to respond to your self righteous nonsensense like this anymore. if you want to discuss the word. lets do it. I will nto feed you like this anymore

 

[GracePeace]

good day sir.. again, I am not going to respond to your self righteous nonsensense like this anymore. if you want to discuss the word. lets do it. I will nto feed you like this anymore

"Self righteousness" : Romans 2:6-16 says only doers of the Law will be justified and repaid eternal life when God judges.

You have no answer. You flee in fear from these verses. Anyone can see that.

 

[Zao is life]

I am with you 100 % up to here

But then you go and try to earn this gift by walking.....

yes it is quite clear.

You believe we are saved by faith plus works..

Good luck!

Losing salvation by not abiding in the Vine has nothing to do with earning salvation through works, and he never said it does. That's your hundred and ?th false accusation - again.

 

[Zao is life]

He did nto stop abiding in christ BEFORE he was restored.

Your argument is mute, Because peter had eternal life. and God keeps his promises..

My argument is not mute because after Christ died Peter was forgiven, and then he remained in the Vine till he died.

Your argument is mute.

Try again.

 

[Zao is life]

when you say a gift must be earned, You can call it a gift a million times. Your wrong.. a million times

don;t accuse me falsly..i AM SICK OF YOUR FALSE JUDGMENT

Salvation is not a birthright.

do you listen to yourself?

Christ purchased our salvation. It's His birthright. Given to us, freely if we believe. Like God's promise became Esau's birthright. But he did not value it. So he sold it. He did not abide in it.

You don't even read what you say before you post. It's no wonder you can't hear yourself contradicting yourself over and over and accusing others falsely over and over.

 

[Zao is life]

lol

You have zero truth.

so there

when you want to discuss the word of god come talk to me. I am done with your holier than though self righteous judgments

Resorting to insults and even more false accusations due to not having any answer when the truth of scripture proves your fallacy is a little childish.

But the fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, meekness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

It's the fruit of the Spirit. Not the fruit of the works of men. You get it displayed in you by abiding in the Vine, who is Jesus.

For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth, proving what is acceptable to the Lord.

If anyone does not abide in the Vine he is cast out as a branch and dies and is withered, worthy only to be burned.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Losing salvation by not abiding in the Vine has nothing to do with earning salvation through works, and he never said it does. That's your hundred and ?th false accusation - again.

If I have to abide in the vine, or I lose salvation.

then I earn salvation by abiding in the vine.

You can twist it however you want. it does not matter

a wage or reward is something we earn because we did something

A gift is something we receive..

those are not just biblical defenitions. they are defenitions in our own language

you work for a reward.

You recieve a gift.

If I have to abide to keep the gift God gave me, i am earning that gift.. plain and simple

once again,m stop accusing me falsly

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Resorting to insults and even more false accusations due to not having any answer when the truth of scripture proves your fallacy is a little childish.

But the fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, meekness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

It's the fruit of the Spirit. Not the fruit of the works of men. You get it displayed in you by abiding in the Vine, who is Jesus.

For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth, proving what is acceptable to the Lord.

If anyone does not abide in the Vine he is cast out as a branch and dies and is withered, worthy only to be burned.

I resorted to a person the way he spoke to me,

are you saying it is ok for him to insult me, but I can not do the same back to him?

 

[Zao is life]

If I have to abide in the vine, or I lose salvation.

then I earn salvation by abiding in the vine.

You can twist it however you want. it does not matter

a wage or reward is something we earn because we did something

A gift is something we receive..

those are not just biblical defenitions. they are defenitions in our own language

you work for a reward.

You recieve a gift.

If I have to abide to keep the gift God gave me, i am earning that gift.. plain and simple

once again,m stop accusing me falsly

So you're saying that you remain in the Kingdom of Christ if you leave of your own accord?

 

[Zao is life]

I resorted to a person the way he spoke to me,

are you saying it is ok for him to insult me, but I can not do the same back to him?

He wasn't insulting you - merely responding to your (very rude, abrupt and arrogant) tone.

@Eternally Grateful You've made it obvious that you believe you may hurl insults but everyone must be gentle and kind with their words with you.