OSAS being False Doctrine!

[Ritajanice]

Yikes…..the more you speak, the more you reveal your lack of understanding.

Quickened and Born Again are synonymous!

You never said that.....and still you dodge my questions....one more try..interpret what Jesus is saying here?

5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

You can not escape the Truth…

I can most definitely escape “ Your” truth...I’ll have no part in it.

God Offers…forgiveness, truth and forever life, Blessings, Gifts, Rewards and a Way for mankind to choose and receive Gods Offerings.

IFa man chooses TO BELIEVE In the Lord God…
And
IFa man chooses TO Call on the Lord, and CONFESS his True Belief…

THEN shall the Lord God “GIVE” to “THAT” man what the Lord God has “OFFERED”….and the man has “CHOSEN” by his WORD to Agree and Accept Gods Offering.

And BTW….the Lord Jesus Christ shall JUDGE the “the QUICK and the DEAD”.

It won’t much matter if you understand…
The QUICK have chosen God.
The DEAD have not chosen God.

Still no scripture to support “ your” theory....just your own commentary...which has no standing in God’s word.

God doesn’t say IF in Born Again ....he says...we must be Born of God to see the Kingdom of God......not if we are Born Again.
Not one scripture about being Born Again.






I will stick with God’s truth thanks..

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

Yes, In fact The NY saved we are saved by the same faith of abraham.

Only one baptism saved, the baptism of God.

man can not baptize you in Christ, or his death Only God is capable of doing this

It is not incorrect. People, particularly Calvinists, like to use 1 Corinthians 2 to say that the spiritual person, i.e., the elect, have special powers given them to interpret and understand God's word. That is simply wrong. That doctrine has a name; it is called the doctrine of illumination. It is a false doctrine. It is proven false by the fact of the different interpretations and understandings of a given passage of scripture by the very people who claim such special powers.

1 Corinthians 2:14

The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. ​

Thank you for your post.

 

[Taken]

You never said that.....

A student of Scripture Should KNOW, born again and quicken is synonymous. You apparently did not know that so, I told you.

and still you dodge my questions....

Dodged no, expressly chose to Ignore your questions? Yes, because you were deflecting and not answering my question, that only required your own answer of yes or no.

one more try..interpret what Jesus is saying here?

5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

No interpretation,, wondering, guesswork necessary.

Jesus SAID.
A man must be born of water and of Spirit to enter the Kingdom of God.
That which is born of flesh is flesh.
That which is born of Spirit is spirit.
Marvel not at what Jesus said.

I have seen that which is flesh being born of water and come forth in birth in flesh.
I have experienced that which is born of Spirit, without seeing the Spirit or born the spirit.

I can most definitely escape “ Your” truth...I’ll have no part in it.

Okie dokie…no consequence to me.

Still no scripture to support “ your” theory....just your own commentary...which has no standing in God’s word.

You were given multiple Scriptures for man to CHOOSE….
Not my job to read or understand For you.

Gods Word has made CLEAR God has Offered mankind a WAY to receive Him, His Offered Blessings, His Gifts, His Rewards….

Choose YOU …who you will serve….
Nope, nope, you did not CHOOSE.

Believed YOUR….election of God….
Nope, nope, you did not elect God…

Do the works of God ?
What’s that? BELIEVE in the Lord God….
Nope, nope, you did Not have to do that.

Confess YOUR true Heartful Belief….
Nope, nope, you did Not have to do that.

And As Jesus said….IF you Believe AND Confess your true belief….you shall receive Gods Gift of Salvation…. IF you Take AND Eat of the Bread God has Offered you….you shall receive Gods Gift of Sanctification.

And Students of Gods Word … should know…receiving Gods blessings and gifts of forgiveness and soul salvation and spirit rebirth and promises of the Body renewed and Gods Spirit IN them and they forever with God….IS a Sanctified man….a new creature. And the old man was Chosen by the man to be Give in Death FOR God…

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God doesn’t say IF in Born Again ....he says...we must be Born of God to see the Kingdom of God......not if we are Born Again.
Not one scripture about being Born Again.

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No “IF’’s” pffff…
Scripture is full of “IF’s”
To Receive Gods OFFERED GIFT of Sanctification….
Scripture reveals Belief is required.
Scripture reveals requirement of Confessed Belief.
Scripture reveals Taking is required to Receive His Gift of Salvation.
Scripture reveals willingly giving your bodily life unto death is required.


Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Matt 26:
[26] And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

You saying without your word, knowledge or consent ...God like the unseen WIND Blessed you with His gift of His Spirit rebirthing your spirit….and it “blew your mind”?

The Carnal mind is against God, and your mind probably did experience an unseen spirit that mimics God, since you neither called on Lord, believed or confessed belief.

 

[Ritajanice]

A student of Scripture Should KNOW, born again and quicken is synonymous. You apparently did not know that so, I told you.

Who leads you through scripture....yourself?

Dodged no, expressly chose to Ignore your questions? Yes, because you were deflecting and not answering my question, that only required your own answer of yes or no.

No, because you don’t know the answers.


I answered all of your questions.

No interpretation,, wondering, guesswork necessary.

Jesus SAID.
A man must be born of water and of Spirit to enter the Kingdom of God.
That which is born of flesh is flesh.
That which is born of Spirit is spirit.
Marvel not at what Jesus said.

I have seen that which is flesh being born of water and come forth in birth in flesh.
I have experienced that which is born of Spirit, without seeing the Spirit or born the spirit.

Your opinion...
Born of water...amniotic fluid.

Born of Spirit.....Spiritual birth.....so no...your opinion is wrong.

Okie dokie…no consequence to me.



You were given multiple Scriptures for man to CHOOSE….
Not my job to read or understand For you.

Not my job to teach you Spiritual understanding...which you lack.

Gods Word has made CLEAR God has Offered mankind a WAY to receive Him, His Offered Blessings, His Gifts, His Rewards….

Choose YOU …who you will serve….
Nope, nope, you did not CHOOSE.

Believed YOUR….election of God….
Nope, nope, you did not elect God…

Do the works of God ?
What’s that? BELIEVE in the Lord God….
Nope, nope, you did Not have to do that.

Confess YOUR true Heartful Belief….
Nope, nope, you did Not have to do that.

And As Jesus said….IF you Believe AND Confess your true belief….you shall receive Gods Gift of Salvation…. IF you Take AND Eat of the Bread God has Offered you….you shall receive Gods Gift of Sanctification.

You cannot birth your spirit into the Holy Spirit...impossibility..and God’s word says so.

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

And Students of Gods Word … should know…receiving Gods blessings and gifts of forgiveness and soul salvation and spirit rebirth and promises of the Body renewed and Gods Spirit IN them and they forever with God….IS a Sanctified man….a new creature. And the old man was Chosen by the man to be Give in Death FOR God…

You were given multiple scripture that says...man can not choose to be Born Again....

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No “IF’’s” pffff…
Scripture is full of “IF’s”
To Receive Gods OFFERED GIFT of Sanctification….
Scripture reveals Belief is required.
Scripture reveals requirement of Confessed Belief.
Scripture reveals Taking is required to Receive His Gift of Salvation.
Scripture reveals willingly giving your bodily life unto death is required.

You do not choose to receive the Spirit of God....as scripture says...it’s like the wind.

Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

John 3:3 – Jesus Says that Christians Must be Born Again. In the New International Version of the Bible, John 3:3 reads: Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.

Matt 26:
[26] And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

You saying without your word, knowledge or consent ...God like the unseen WIND Blessed you with His gift of His Spirit rebirthing your spirit….and it “blew your mind”?

I’m saying I received the Living spiritual birth that you can’t do....only God can do it.....and yes my birthing completely and utterly overwhelmed me.

The Carnal mind is against God, and your mind probably did experience an unseen spirit that mimics God, since you neither called on Lord, believed or confessed belief.

Be careful what you accuse the brethren of.....I said no such thing......I’ve already explained that, many times...so, cut out your lying as I explained all about repentance/ Godly sorrow and believing in Jesus on this thread...all members can see and read what I said..there is no Born Again birth..without first believing in Jesus.

So, it just goes to show...that you never read my posts properly.

From reading your posts....imo..you have zero spiritual understanding....and manmade theology that you have taught yourself.......and pieced it all together..and come up with your own understanding of being Born of God.

Commentary ....

It’s a simple idea, being born again. In fact, down in verse 12 of chapter 3, Jesus calls it an earthly thing. In other words, an earthly illustration. Here’s the truth: this is so simple that you should never be confused by what it means to be born again. Here is an earthly illustration. “And if you don’t understand this earthly illustration,” – verse 12 says – “how are you going to understand it’s heavenly meaning?”

Like any parable or any illustration our Lord used, He picked something very common and simple. If you can’t get the illustration that in order to enter the kingdom you must be born again, you’ll never understand the heavenly reality of the new birth. And you must understand the heavenly reality of the new birth because it is a foundational truth of salvation. You must be born again.

Nicodemus says in verse 4, “How?” And we’ll look at it more closely in a moment. “How?” If there were an evangelist there he might say, “Pray this prayer.” Might say, “Take these steps.” But that would miss the entire point. And actually, Nicodemus was getting the point. And here is the point: you must be born again. Perhaps, more accurately it’s translated: “You must be born from above,” – anōthen – “you must be born from above.” Anōthen, two other times later in the gospel of John, is translated “from above.” “You must be born from above.”

Let me tell you how simple the analogy is. What role did you play in your birth, your physical birth? That’s an absurdity. You played no role in your physical birth. What contribution did you make to your physical birth? You made no contribution to your physical birth. And that is exactly the idea in our Lord using this analogy. To assume that you have anything to do with your physical birth is an insane idea. To assume that you have anything to do with your spiritual birth is equally insane. It’s absurd. That’s why our Lord chose this analogy, because it’s so clear. It’s not really possible if you give it any thought to miss the point.

To be born again, or born from above, is a work in which you play no role. Your birth happened to you, you had no part in it. And the same is true of new birth. The message of our Lord here is that it’s a work of God and it’s totally a work of God, which immediately obliterates all works righteousness – all religion, all ceremony, all ritual, all sacraments, as having any contribution to make to new life. It is what theologians call monergistic. It isn’t something you and God do together, it is God alone. You’re not going to enter the kingdom of God because you try harder to be a better person, or more religious, or more moral, or moral philanthropic, or more virtuous. That is exactly the point the Lord is making. And – mark it – He is making it to a man who was just introduced to us as a ruler of the Jews, and – down in verse 10 – a man who was called the teacher of Israel.

This is a simple earthly analogy as to the foundation of salvation. It is solely a work of God, solely a work of God. This stops a legalist dead in his tracks. All his life the legalist – in this case the Pharisee, and in specific, Nicodemus – was achieving heaven, or trying to by his self-righteousness. Here our Lord says, “It is all for nothing: meaningless. Your morality, your supposed virtue: useless.” This is a dramatic, dramatic moment in the Word of God, crucial revelation that is introduced to us in the story of Nicodemus.


You said.
You saying without your word, knowledge or consent ...God like the unseen WIND Blessed you with His gift of His Spirit rebirthing your spirit….and it “blew your mind”?



I’m saying...once again you lack spiritual understanding...regarding my testimony.....you have assumed once again, what “ YOU” assume my testimony to be saying...trying to put your words of understanding.....and making my testimony, what you say it says.....unbelievable.

 

[Taken]

I answered all of your questions.

Born of water...amniotic fluid.

Born of Spirit.....Spiritual birth.....so no...your opinion is wrong.

A natural man is born of water…without his consent to be born….
not some big a mystery.

A man born of the spirit….is precisely according to the mans consent and EFFECTED by the Power of God, who Offered men that gift.

According to you….God mysteriously gives His Gift of Salvation to men who neither, believe, nor confess their belief.

You have repeatedly offered your OPINION…
I will now return to you the SAME….
IMO…you have been hoodwinked.

 

[Ritajanice]

A natural man is born of water…without his consent to be born….
not some big a mystery.

A man born of the spirit….is precisely according to the mans consent and EFFECTED by the Power of God, who Offered men that gift.

A man born of the Spirit of God....is by God’s will....not your will....stop denying the word of God...with your own manmade theology.

According to you….God mysteriously gives His Gift of Salvation to men who neither, believe, nor confess their belief.

That’s a lie...show me where I said i don’t believe in Jesus before we can receive the rebirth./ Born of God..?

I said God brought me to believe...I didn’t say he believed for me....Spiritual rebirth / Born of God,comes after belief...that’s if it’s Gods will.....not mans will....as his word says.

You; are just making yourself look silly with your lies...as a staff member as well?

You have repeatedly offered your OPINION…
I will now return to you the SAME….
IMO…you have been hoodwinked.

I don’t mind your words of hoodwinked....because they are your words....which are ignorant of spiritual understanding....therefore, its understandable why you say “ hoodwinked “ lol.

I much prefer to hear the truth of God’s words word...testifying with my spirit all day every day that I’m his child....through HIS power and through HIS Spirit of truth.......not from some silly member...who believes they can birth themselves into Christ.....in their own manmade theology
Imo...you are in denial about the living word of God that says...we are Born Again by the Spirit of God...not by mans will,,,by the will of God.

Plus imo....you are in ignorance of what it means to be Born of God...by the will of God...you can only convey Born Again..in your own manmade theology.

You have zero understanding..of what spiritual understanding means as well..

 

[Taken]

A man born of the Spirit of God....is by God’s will....not your will....stop denying the word of God...with your own manmade theology.

Oh Good grief…

John 3:
[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

If you are offered a Gift and do not reach out and Take it…
you do not posses the Gift!

If your have won a prize and do not claim it, Take it…
You do not possess the Prize!

God has offered mankind Gifts….and you preach His offering was GIVEN you without you consenting to Take His Offering….even though you have been told, shown, given Scriptures of Gods Word, that a man consents by his OWN Word of Belief AND consents by his OwN True Confession of his Belief AND by willingly Taking his Gift.

Not YOU…God, supposedly gave you His gift without your word of belief, your confession of belief or you taking of His gift….

Boloney.

Adam didn’t TAKE Gods offered gift, and was sent out Gods Garden.

Jesus’ own didn’t TAKE Gods offered gift, and Jesus offered it to Others.

Not a mystery. The Gift belongs to God. It is only given From and By God….When He Offers and you don’t TAKE His gift…..(according to His WAY)… you don’t have it.

AND what you do not CHOOSE TO TAKE of Gods offering…DO NOT BE FOOLED…by the power of Satan to fill your void with trickery and deceit.

 

[Ritajanice]

Oh Good grief…

John 3:
[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

If you are offered a Gift and do not reach out and Take it…
you do not posses the Gift!

If your have won a prize and do not claim it, Take it…
You do not possess the Prize!

God has offered mankind Gifts….and you preach His offering was GIVEN you without you consenting to Take His Offering….even though you have been told, shown, given Scriptures of Gods Word, that a man consents by his OWN Word of Belief AND consents by his OwN True Confession of his Belief AND by willingly Taking his Gift.

Not YOU…God, supposedly gave you His gift without your word of belief, your confession of belief or you taking of His gift….

LOL...what a load of manmade theology....you cannot birth yourself into Christ...NOT by the will of man are we Born of God.....by God’s will.
Commentary ....

It’s a simple idea, being born again. In fact, down in verse 12 of chapter 3, Jesus calls it an earthly thing. In other words, an earthly illustration. Here’s the truth: this is so simple that you should never be confused by what it means to be born again. Here is an earthly illustration. “And if you don’t understand this earthly illustration,” – verse 12 says – “how are you going to understand it’s heavenly meaning?”

Like any parable or any illustration our Lord used, He picked something very common and simple. If you can’t get the illustration that in order to enter the kingdom you must be born again, you’ll never understand the heavenly reality of the new birth. And you must understand the heavenly reality of the new birth because it is a foundational truth of salvation. You must be born again.

Nicodemus says in verse 4, “How?” And we’ll look at it more closely in a moment. “How?” If there were an evangelist there he might say, “Pray this prayer.” Might say, “Take these steps.” But that would miss the entire point. And actually, Nicodemus was getting the point. And here is the point: you must be born again. Perhaps, more accurately it’s translated: “You must be born from above,” – anōthen – “you must be born from above.” Anōthen, two other times later in the gospel of John, is translated “from above.” “You must be born from above.”

Let me tell you how simple the analogy is. What role did you play in your birth, your physical birth? That’s an absurdity. You played no role in your physical birth. What contribution did you make to your physical birth? You made no contribution to your physical birth. And that is exactly the idea in our Lord using this analogy. To assume that you have anything to do with your physical birth is an insane idea. To assume that you have anything to do with your spiritual birth is equally insane. It’s absurd. That’s why our Lord chose this analogy, because it’s so clear. It’s not really possible if you give it any thought to miss the point.

To be born again, or born from above, is a work in which you play no role. Your birth happened to you, you had no part in it. And the same is true of new birth. The message of our Lord here is that it’s a work of God and it’s totally a work of God, which immediately obliterates all works righteousness – all religion, all ceremony, all ritual, all sacraments, as having any contribution to make to new life. It is what theologians call monergistic. It isn’t something you and God do together, it is God alone. You’re not going to enter the kingdom of God because you try harder to be a better person, or more religious, or more moral, or moral philanthropic, or more virtuous. That is exactly the point the Lord is making. And – mark it – He is making it to a man who was just introduced to us as a ruler of the Jews, and – down in verse 10 – a man who was called the teacher of Israel.

This is a simple earthly analogy as to the foundation of salvation. It is solely a work of God, solely a work of God. This stops a legalist dead in his tracks. All his life the legalist – in this case the Pharisee, and in specific, Nicodemus – was achieving heaven, or trying to by his self-righteousness. Here our Lord says, “It is all for nothing: meaningless. Your morality, your supposed virtue: useless.” This is a dramatic, dramatic moment in the Word of God, crucial revelation that is introduced to us in the story of Nicodemus.

Boloney.

Adam didn’t TAKE Gods offered gift, and was sent out Gods Garden.

Jesus’ own didn’t TAKE Gods offered gift, and Jesus offered it to Others.

Not a mystery. The Gift belongs to God. It is only given From and By God….When He Offers and you don’t TAKE His gift…..(according to His WAY)… you don’t have it.

Commentary ....

It’s a simple idea, being born again. In fact, down in verse 12 of chapter 3, Jesus calls it an earthly thing. In other words, an earthly illustration. Here’s the truth: this is so simple that you should never be confused by what it means to be born again. Here is an earthly illustration. “And if you don’t understand this earthly illustration,” – verse 12 says – “how are you going to understand it’s heavenly meaning?”

Like any parable or any illustration our Lord used, He picked something very common and simple. If you can’t get the illustration that in order to enter the kingdom you must be born again, you’ll never understand the heavenly reality of the new birth. And you must understand the heavenly reality of the new birth because it is a foundational truth of salvation. You must be born again.

Nicodemus says in verse 4, “How?” And we’ll look at it more closely in a moment. “How?” If there were an evangelist there he might say, “Pray this prayer.” Might say, “Take these steps.” But that would miss the entire point. And actually, Nicodemus was getting the point. And here is the point: you must be born again. Perhaps, more accurately it’s translated: “You must be born from above,” – anōthen – “you must be born from above.” Anōthen, two other times later in the gospel of John, is translated “from above.” “You must be born from above.”

Let me tell you how simple the analogy is. What role did you play in your birth, your physical birth? That’s an absurdity. You played no role in your physical birth. What contribution did you make to your physical birth? You made no contribution to your physical birth. And that is exactly the idea in our Lord using this analogy. To assume that you have anything to do with your physical birth is an insane idea. To assume that you have anything to do with your spiritual birth is equally insane. It’s absurd. That’s why our Lord chose this analogy, because it’s so clear. It’s not really possible if you give it any thought to miss the point.

To be born again, or born from above, is a work in which you play no role. Your birth happened to you, you had no part in it. And the same is true of new birth. The message of our Lord here is that it’s a work of God and it’s totally a work of God, which immediately obliterates all works righteousness – all religion, all ceremony, all ritual, all sacraments, as having any contribution to make to new life. It is what theologians call monergistic. It isn’t something you and God do together, it is God alone. You’re not going to enter the kingdom of God because you try harder to be a better person, or more religious, or more moral, or moral philanthropic, or more virtuous. That is exactly the point the Lord is making. And – mark it – He is making it to a man who was just introduced to us as a ruler of the Jews, and – down in verse 10 – a man who was called the teacher of Israel.

This is a simple earthly analogy as to the foundation of salvation. It is solely a work of God, solely a work of God. This stops a legalist dead in his tracks. All his life the legalist – in this case the Pharisee, and in specific, Nicodemus – was achieving heaven, or trying to by his self-righteousness. Here our Lord says, “It is all for nothing: meaningless. Your morality, your supposed virtue: useless.” This is a dramatic, dramatic moment in the Word of God, crucial revelation that is introduced to us in the story of Nicodemus.

AND what you do not CHOOSE TO TAKE of Gods offering…DO NOT BE FOOLED…by the power of Satan to fill your void with trickery and deceit.

We’re not talking about Adam.

We’re talking about Born Again....which you clearly have no spiritual understanding of.

Your opinion speaks volumes..manmade theology.....it don’t deceive me though...I’ve got all day every day to spread God’s truth.

That only God can give spiritual birth to your spirit...he does it by his way and by his will....mans plays no part in receiving the spiritual birth...

 

[marks]

James 3:11-13 KJV
11) Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
12) Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
13) Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

Hebrews 4:12 ESV / 28 helpful votes​

For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart

Commentary.

We must become Truth Warriors. We must realize that the Word of God is the only Authority. We must not shrink from His Commands. We must not hide from His Instruction. We must embrace His Laws. So what is a Truth Warrior? A Truth Warrior is one who does not pick fights, nor does he / she enjoying hurting people. Truth Warriors are people who take on the world, accept the challenge, live for Christ each day.

Truth Warriors stand firm in His Truth. Are not timid. Warriors wear Armor (see Ephesians 6:11-20). If we are to stand in the Word, grow in the Word, spread the Word, we must be Warriors.

 

[Taken]

LOL...what a load of manmade theology....you cannot birth yourself into Christ...NOT by the will of man are we Born of God.....by God’s will.
Commentary ....

The load of nonsense is yours…
NO ONE Said anything so ignorant and foolish of a man birthing himself….
You are making up a crock when no one has said that.

The Gift is Gods…
His OFFERING of “HIS” Gift is according to HIM.
His GIVING of “HIS” Gift is according to HIM.
A man Receiving Gods “GIFT” is according to HIM.

You skip over WHO, HOW, WHEN, “according to God” a man shall receive His Gift.

You are proclaiming God skipped over, “according to God Way”…. And GAVE YOU HIS GIFT….”not according to Gods Way”…when GODS WILL “IS according to Gods Way”!!
And you beating a dead horse by making up nonsense and pretending that is an others belief…when the other says NO such thing!…is only a reflection on you.

 

[Ritajanice]

The load of nonsense is yours…
NO ONE Said anything so ignorant and foolish of a man birthing himself….
You are making up a crock when no one has said that.

The Gift is Gods…
His OFFERING of “HIS” Gift is according to HIM.
His GIVING of “HIS” Gift is according to HIM.
A man Receiving Gods “GIFT” is according to HIM.

No scripture to support your opinion

We choose to believe in Jesus..even God brings us to belief in his Son.

We do not choose to receive the rebirth...that is by God’s grace and mercy alone....he pours out his Spirit into our hearts..by his will alone.

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us

Regarding Born of God....not by mans will..by God’s will...you deny Gods word...I do not and will not.

Romans 2:4 – Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

John 1:13​

ESVwho were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
NIVchildren born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
NASBwho were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a man, but of God.

You skip over WHO, HOW, WHEN, “according to God” a man shall receive His Gift.

I skipped over nothing...according to God’s word.

In verse 7, Jesus explained that the need for rebirth should not surprise Nicodemus. "Flesh" and Spirit" are opposed to each other, so the only way for a person to take on a new nature is by being "born again." The exact reasons why this happens, and how it happens, will always be a mystery to us. We can't really see the wind, or predict everything about it. In the same way, the work of the Spirit isn't something we can completely understand.

Wind is a Biblical symbol of the Holy Spirit. Like the wind, the Holy Spirit comes in suddenly and from seemingly nowhere - He whirls about the atmosphere and changes everything. The Spirit, like the wind, moves wherever He wants and is, at times, unpredictable. Breath is also a Biblical symbol of the Holy Spirit

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◄ John 3:8 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” New Living Translation The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can’t tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can’t explain how people are born of the Spirit.” English Standard Version The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” Berean Standard Bible The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” Berean Literal Bible The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know from where it comes and where it goes. Thus is everyone having been born of the Spirit

You are proclaiming God skipped over, “according to God Way”…. And GAVE YOU HIS GIFT….”not according to Gods Way”…when GODS WILL “IS according to Gods Way”!!

Mumbo jumbo here.

And you beating a dead horse by making up nonsense and pretending that is an others belief…when the other says NO such thing!…is only a reflection on you.

I suggest you take your own advice as you told me..I never believed in Jesus and that I never repented or was brought to Godly sorrow.....I was drawn by God to Jesus...God brought me to repentance and he brought me to believe in his Son.

So quit making up lies.

 

[Taken]

To be born again, or born from above, is a work in which you play no role.

According to Scripture…the “ROLE” (works) of a man is TO BELIEVE.

According to Scripture….the “ROLE” (service) of a man is TO CONFESS his TRUE BELIEF.

According to Scripture…..the “ROLE” of a man is TO RECEIVE…(willingly Take) Gods Offered Gift.

 

[Ritajanice]

According to Scripture…the “ROLE” (works) of a man is TO BELIEVE.

Which God brings us to believe in Jesus.

According to Scripture….the “ROLE” (service) of a man is TO CONFESS his TRUE BELIEF.

We are brought to repentance by God.

According to Scripture…..the “ROLE” of a man is TO RECEIVE…(willingly Take) Gods Offered Gift.

The role of a man in the spiritual rebirth,as I’ve posted scripture on....they play no part in becoming Born of God by the Spirit as his word says.

 

[Taken]

We choose to believe in Jesus..even God brings us to belief in his Son.

To be born again, or born from above, is a work in which you play no role.

Now you say “you choose to believe”, but play no part in receiving Gods gift?

Contradictory.

 

[Ritajanice]

Now you say “you choose to believe”, but play no part in receiving Gods gift?

Contradictory.

No contradiction whatsoever, I’ve said that all along...that God drew me to believe in his Son..Jesus.

John 1:12 -13 (NIV)Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

He brought me to to believe...as I’ve said countless times....and by HIS WILL....I was Baptised in the Spirit...the Living Holy Spirit....
Do you know what the Living Holy Spirit means?


He showed me mercy and grace....by ..Spirit gives birth to spirit.....not by my will...God gave me the Honour to become his Born Again child...In Jesus Name....Amen!

I played no part in receiving because....God by his will, had opened my heart to receive the rebirth as it was all according to God’s purpose and plan for my life.

I Glorify God...for giving me his precious gift....he opened my heart to receive it...... only God can open a heart to receive his Spirit ....

Therefore we are Alive in the Spirit all according to the will of God...when he poured his Spirit into our hearts and has taken up permanent residence...

 

[GTW27]

Behold I stand at the door and knock, if anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into him and eat with him, and he with me.

 

[Taken]

Which God brings us to believe in Jesus.


We are brought to repentance by God.

The role of a man in the spiritual rebirth,as I’ve posted scripture on....they play no part in becoming Born of God by the Spirit as his word says.

As you fail to comprehend the mans role is belief and submission via confession and taking Gods offering…according TO Gods Way.

God teaches through His Knowledge, what pleases God FOR a man to Choose.

* Man chooses via his own freewill.

* God does NOT Choose FOR the man.
* God does NOT Repent FOR the man.
* God does NOT Believe FOR the man.
* God does NOT Confess Belief FOR the man.
* God does NOT TAKE His Gift FOR the man.

Once a man Freely Chooses, Gods POWER will Keep the mans Choices constant.

 

[Ritajanice]

As you fail to comprehend the mans role is belief and submission via confession and taking Gods offering…according TO Gods Way.

God teaches through His Knowledge

God teaches through the Holy Spirit.... why do you never speak of the Holy Spirit...I see him nowhere in your posts?

That is rather concerning, because it’s the Holy Spirit who testifies with our spirit that we are God’s Children.......without the Spirit....one doesn’t belong to God they are none of his.

In Romans 8:9, Paul reveals a stupendous fact: “the Spirit of God dwells in you.” The Holy Spirit's indwelling is the sine qua non of being a Christian, meaning that He is the essential thing, or better yet, the essential person we need to be Christians.

John 14:26
Verse Concepts
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

, what pleases God FOR a man to Choose.
False.
God teaches a Born Again..by the power of the Holy Spirit...who indwells their heart/ spirit.

* Man chooses via his own freewill.

Man cannot choose to receive the rebirth... only God can do that...by his supernatural power.

* God does NOT Choose FOR the man.

God does not choose what? for the man?

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◄ John 1:13 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. New Living Translation They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God.

* God does NOT Repent FOR the man.

Who said God repents for the man...are you misunderstanding the scripture I posted?...God brings us to repentance?

2 Corinthians 7:10 New International Version (NIV)Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

* God does NOT Believe FOR the man.

God brings us to belief...no one said he believed for us?

* God does NOT Confess Belief FOR the man.

No one can come to the Father, except through the Son.

* God does NOT TAKE His Gift FOR the man.

..God opens our heart to receive the rebirth...you wouldn’t know how to do that.....only God can birth our spirit into his....Spirit gives birth to spirit..

Once a man Freely Chooses, Gods POWER will Keep the mans Choices constant.

False....no man can freely choose to become Born Again by the Spirit, as God word says...
As you fail to understand that man plays no part in the rebirth/ Born Again..

Once a man is Born Again, it’s the power of the Holy Spirit that keeps them saved.....

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◄ John 1:13 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. New Living Translation They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God.

Jesus was telling Nicodemus that no matter what good he did on the outside, he needed changing on the inside. That can only happen through a supernatural act of God


You NEVER mention the Holy Spirit......a Born Again gets all understanding of scripture via the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is the one who gives us the rebirth...he does the will of the Father.....yet I have just noticed you NEVER mention him...to me that’s quite alarming.

There is also only one way to “HEAR “. God. ?....

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◄ Romans 8:9 ►

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Verse (Click for Chapter) King James Bible But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his

 

[Taken]

God does not choose what? for the man?

Who said God repents for the man...are you misunderstanding the scripture I posted?

God brings us to belief...no one said he believed for us?

No one can come to the Father, except through the Son.

This imo doesn’t make any sense....God opens our heart to receive the rebirth...you wouldn’t know how to do that.....only God can birth our spirit into his....Spirit gives birth to spirit..

As you fail to understand that man plays no part in the rebirth/ Born Again..

No man can freely choose to be Born of God..as scripture says..

Baneful.

You can not comprehend Differences.

* Yes men Choose:
to hear Gods Knowledge, to believe, to Confess their belief, to Take Gods Gifts.

* Yes Gods Spirit (which BTW is Holy):
Responds to a mans Choices..

* Mans CHOOSING and Gods DOING are not the same things.
Choosing and Doing “OF” a man is Specific.
Gods RESPONSE to a man Choosing and Doing is Specific.

* You began your Testimony with Gods “DOING” with a interjection of what seemed like a surprise to you; “blew your mind”.

* You never mentioned your “CHOOSING”.
* For umpteen posts, you have repeatedly emphasized;

“RitaJanice
No man can freely choose to be Born of God..as scripture says..”

* God OFFERED mankind the CHOICE to FREELY CHOOSE God.

* Gods KNOWLEDGE reveals to mankind HOW according to Gods WAY mankind CAN CHOOSE God, AND WHAT GIFTS / BLESSINGS mankind SHALL receive FROM God, FOR mankind’s CHOICES.

* You completely NEGATE mans Choices.

* You attempt to TWIST “other mens Choices” INTO the “CORRUPT idea” that “another mans CHOICES “IS” the other man pretending he IS “DOING” Gods works “IN” himself.

Your utterly FALSE accusations.

* No one (but you) has SAID, or IMPLIED “they” are DOING Gods works of GIVING Gods Gifts, TO themselves OR ANYONE….

Long before a man possess Gods OFFERED Gifts…
Scripture TEACHES men the KNOWLEDGE of “HOW TO” … hear, learn About God, discover His Offerings, discover “HOW TO” receive His Offerings (according to His WAY), and “WHAT IS” the consequence of FREELY CHOOSING, to RECEIVE or REJECT Gods OFFERINGS.

You attempt to completely “skip and negate”,
Mans CHOICES.

You appear completely oblivious of the “Big Picture” that Gods WILL IS to have a relationship WITH me….that Gods WILL is Offering mankind an “ASSURED WAY”, for mankind to BECOME in a RELATIONSHIP “with” their Creator and Maker, ONCE and FOREVER.
* beginning with Gods Offering
* established by mans Choice
* accomplished by the Lord God Almighty’s (wholeness) (Word, Will, Power)
* kept “assured” by the Lord God Almighty’s (wholeness) (Word, Will, Power).

You appear completely oblivious, that ANY “RELATIONSHIP” between “TWO”, IS expressly BY the “TWO” AGREEING to “HAVE” a Relationship…of One WITH the Other.

* God DESIRES, and REVEALS through His Word, recorded and written for mans Benefit….THAT Gods Desire IS to HAVE a one on one Relationship with men.
* Every man, has the CHOICE for themselves, to HAVE a one on one Relationship WITH the Lord God Almighty…..or NOT.

You pretending man HAS NO CHOICE to CHOOSE, AGREE, ACCEPT, or REJECT Gods OFFER…is nonsense.

You pretending man WHO IS Choosing, Agreeing, Accepting, Gods Offering…
“IS the man DOING, ACCOMPLISHING, giving himself Gods Gifts”….is nonsense.

You pretending a man WHO HAS Accepted and HAS received Gods Gift….requires YOU to teach them….”THEY” (like you), had nothing whatsoever to do WITH receiving Gods GIFTS….

False… a mans CHOICE has everything to DO with a man RECEIVING FROM God, Gods Gift.

WHOM does Gods word teach TO CHOOSE?

YOU!

Josh 24
[15] And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve;

Who ARE beloved brethren FOR CHOOSING God?

MEN!

1 Thes 1:
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God

HOW does a man CHOOSE God?

BE VERY SURE of your CHOICE BEFORE CALLING ON THE Lord.

2 Pet 1:
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

WHO’S calling? WHOSE election?
A mans!

John 6:
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Mans BELIEF.

HOW does a man NOTIFY God of his BELIEF?

2 Tim 2
[22] Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

Call on the Lord from your heart (natural spirit).

Matt 4:
[17] From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand

Repent (reveal your sorry FOR having NOT Believed)

Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Open your mouth and Confess your heartful (natural spirit) Belief IN the Lord God Almighty!

John 15:
[13] Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Speak to the Lord YOUR WILLINGNESS to LAY DOWN your LIFE unto HIM, FOR your LOVE of HIM.

Matt 26:
[26] And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

TAKE, eat, Jesus’ Offering.

Matt 26:
[27] And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
[28] For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

TAKE, drink Jesus’ Offering.

NOW……AFTER the mans CHOICES…
NOW…….AFTER the mans DOINGS….
“IS” the man prepared to RECEIVE (TAKE, HAVE) Gods Offerings of HIS Gifts, HIS Blessings, HIS Promises….FROM God!

NOW is the man “PREPARED and CHOSEN OUT of THIS WORLD and ORDAINED” BY the Lord….TO DO works FOR GOD.

John 15:
[16] Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
[19] If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

A MAN “DOING” works FOR GOD, ARE works that “GLORIFY” God!
Which such works ARE Teaching OTHERS Gods TRUTH.

A mans WORKS that Glorifies God…shall be rewarded with Treasures FROM God. Those rewards / treasures are called CROWNS.

A mans WORKS that DO NOT Glorify God…shall be burned.

Unlike what YOU teach….
A mans choices, a mans doings “plays a HUGE part” IN a mans Receiving from God, Gods Offered Gifts and Blessings.

Unlike what YOU teach….
God doesn’t mysteriously re-birth a mans spirit, “blow the mans mind in surprise”.
THE MAN who becomes MADE SAVED, BORN AGAIN, wholly SANCTIFIED, by the Power of God….has himself believed in his heart (natural spirit), called on the Lord, repented, confessed his true belief, willingly laid down his life unto death, accepted eating Gods Bread (Jesus’ body), accepted drinking of Gods cup (Jesus’ blood), accepted to Trust Gods Promise and Faithfulness, that Forever God WILL be with that man, and that man Forever with God……..and AFTER a man has chosen and done those things……you think the man has played NO PART in establishing a relationship with the Lord God….and out of the blue, the man has no expectation of Gods response……..weird. Not according to Scripture.

Glory to God,
Taken