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The Learner

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Joseph Smith ain’t my Savior.

If you want to declare me damned for believe God’s Truth are not limited to the 66-81 book Bible, then you can do that. Has zero effect on me.
Again I am not judging you. You have corrupted the gospel with mormonism.
Mormonism is a polluted river of garbage. Don't swim in it.1701462016322.png1701462040321.png1701462066966.png1701462098856.png
 
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What are some characteristics that Scripture has, that no other book has?​

Scripture has three attributes that no other source of religious authority can even touch:

Sufficiency. Certainty. Infallibility.

Scripture testifies this about itself. Jesus said that Scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35).

2 Timothy 3:16–17 says, "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."

So scripture's testimony about itself, in its entirety, is that it is all we need—for every good work—if you're a man of God.

Scripture says that Scripture is sufficient. What do we need for faith and godliness? Scripture alone. Sola Scriptura.

Bound up with this truth is the truth that Scripture is certain. It is from God, and God cannot lie. If He has said something, that something is true.

And furthermore, Scripture is also infallible. It cannot fail. Jesus said Scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35). Everything God says in Scripture will be accomplished—as Jesus says again in Matthew 5:18: "For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished."

Scripture is sufficient. It is certain. It is infallible.

What else has these three characteristics? Nothing, because nothing else is "breathed out by God" in the same way (2 Timothy 3:16)

On to question three.

3. If Scripture is sufficient, what does that mean for all other "authorities?"​


 
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many folks can lip and cliam and even come in the name of JESUS and yet they so quickly make void
things he taught and said , as well as other doctrines the apotels left .
Many can even lip HIS name and cliam the game and yet bring in the false all inclusive love lie
which says even muslims , buddists and others worship the same GOD we do as long as they loved .
WHAT A CROCK OF DUNG that lie is . Many can lip HIS NAME , yet DO NOT KNOW HIM .
 

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Sola scriptura rejects any original infallible authority, other than the Bible. In this view, all secondary authority is derived from the authority of the scriptures and is therefore subject to reform when compared to the teaching of the Bible.

Me: referring to the Bible:

2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

Proverbs 30:5-6 ESV
Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar

Many other verses here: What Does the Bible Say About Sola Scriptura?

ME: God inspired the books of the Bible, thus they are his word and supreme authority for salvation and santification. Since JS gave at leaste one false prophecy he is disqualified as representing the real true G_d.
BIBLE TIME INDEED MY FRIEND.
 

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Joseph Smith ain’t my Savior.

If you want to declare me damned for believe God’s Truth are not limited to the 66-81 book Bible, then you can do that. Has zero effect on me.
Believe me that man is no ones savoir , couldnt even save himself . its so sad to watch the tragedy that so many went under
by guise of that man . but he aint alone . The damage the RCC and JW and others did was massive too .
BIBLE and TIME . what do we get when we combine them words. BIBLE TIME . get glued in it .
 

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If someone belives anythink that Mormon, LDS church teaches, they are really outside the Christian Faith. It takes only a drop of the posion of JS, BY and anything LDS, Mormon to pollute the water.

2 John 9-11
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9 Everyone must continue to follow only the teaching about Christ. Whoever changes that teaching does not have God. But whoever continues to follow the teaching about Christ has both the Father and his Son. 10 Don’t accept those who come to you but do not bring this teaching. Don’t invite them into your house. Don’t welcome them in any way. 11 If you do, you are helping them with their evil work.

My favorite JS story is, He sat up planks an inch under the water to fake walking on water. Someone, removed one of the planks. JS shunk into the water.

“Walking on Water: Nineteenth-Century Prophets and a Legend of Religious Imposture,” by Stanley J. Thayne, in Journal of Mormon History, Vol. 36, No. 2 (Spring 2010), pg. 160-204
“Walking-on-Water Stories and Other Susquehanna River Folk Tales about Joseph Smith,” by J. Taylor Hollist
 
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Again, quoting other people's strawman rather than asking questions yourself and getting the actual real answers.
And again, still ignoring relationships with Christ to beat up your Joseph Smith piñata.
 
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Again, quoting other people's strawman rather than asking questions yourself and getting the actual real answers.
I asked many questions you did not answer. strawman lol Be serious and read my posts. Fact remains, Mormonism is a false religion. As long as you are part of it, I can not call you a Christian.
 
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Sorry you find me focused on CHRIST to be funny. As a Christian, that's the most important thing. Real faith for YOURSELF.
 

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The Jesus of LDS, Mormonism is not the Jesus of the Bible, nor of historical christianity.
Yep, the "Mormon" Jesus: Jesus Christ is the everlasting Son of God. Divine. He is God. He's always been, always will be. He created the Earth, was born of the Virgin Mary, lived 33 perfect years-- no blemish of sin. Perfectly living His Father's will. As a sacrifice for MY sins (+ everyone else's) He was tortured and died on a cross. He rose again on the third day, so that I too can live again. Live both physically, and spiritually as He is the way in which my wretched filthy self can be cleaned to pure white and stand with God, celebrating. He is my Lord, Savior, and King. My hope, salvation, in whom I put total faith into.
 

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Yep, the "Mormon" Jesus: Jesus Christ is the everlasting Son of God. Divine. He is God. He's always been, always will be. He created the Earth, was born of the Virgin Mary, lived 33 perfect years-- no blemish of sin. Perfectly living His Father's will. As a sacrifice for MY sins (+ everyone else's) He was tortured and died on a cross. He rose again on the third day, so that I too can live again. Live both physically, and spiritually as He is the way in which my wretched filthy self can be cleaned to pure white and stand with God, celebrating. He is my Lord, Savior, and King. My hope, salvation, in whom I put total faith into.
Sorry to tell you the Mormon Jesus as Son of God was the spirit baby of two gods. That is not the Jesus of the Bible.

Isaiah 43:10
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10 The Lord says, “You people are my witnesses and the servant I chose. I chose you so that you would help people believe me. I chose you so that you would understand that ‘I Am He’—I am the true God. There was no God before me, and there will be no God after me.
 

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“Man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father, prior to coming upon the earth in a temporal [physical] body” ( Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F.
 
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Abraham 3: 22-28
22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;

23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.

24 And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell;

25 And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them;

26 And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.

27 And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first.

28 And the second was angry, and kept not his first estate; and, at that day, many followed after him.
 
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Spirit children are born of resurrected, exalted parents. They are born in the same manner that mortal children are born. However, when a celestial parent has a child, it is composed of spiritual material, not physical material.

Here is the process of eternal growth. Life exists first of all as an intelligence. The term intelligence is used in the scriptures in two connotations–intelligence as a quality of the mind , as expressed in the following scripture–

And the Lord said unto me: These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all (Abraham 3:19).

and as an entity, as expressed in the following scripture–

Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.(Doctrine & Covenants 93:29)

So when a spirit child is born of heavenly parents, the pre-existing intelligence enters the spirit body, giving it independent life. Thus a spirit is composed of an intelligence inhabiting a body of spiritual material.
 
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Sorry to tell you the Mormon Jesus as Son of God was the spirit baby of two gods. That is not the Jesus of the Bible.

Isaiah 43:10
Easy-to-Read Version
10 The Lord says, “You people are my witnesses and the servant I chose. I chose you so that you would help people believe me. I chose you so that you would understand that ‘I Am He’—I am the true God. There was no God before me, and there will be no God after me.
LDS Christians 100% believe that there's only 1 God.

The Father, and Son (two different persons) are united as 1 God. They both have always existed. Yes, the Father is Christ's Father. That's very much stated in scripture.

Any mindset of "Mormons believe Christ didn't exist at any point" is grossly inaccurate and doesn't remotely affect actual beliefs.

Abraham 3: 22-28
22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;

23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.

24 And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell;

25 And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them;

26 And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.

27 And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first.

28 And the second was angry, and kept not his first estate; and, at that day, many followed after him.
Prelude here: both LDS Christians and Creedal Christians believe that Christ existed before the Earth was made. The part of this focusing on Christ (because that is the subject here) is verse 27 wherein Christ says "Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me". Christ voluntarily came down to Earth to live His mortal life and do the Father's will.
Spirit children are born of resurrected, exalted parents. They are born in the same manner that mortal children are born. However, when a celestial parent has a child, it is composed of spiritual material, not physical material.

Here is the process of eternal growth. Life exists first of all as an intelligence. The term intelligence is used in the scriptures in two connotations–intelligence as a quality of the mind , as expressed in the following scripture–

And the Lord said unto me: These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all (Abraham 3:19).

and as an entity, as expressed in the following scripture–

Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.(Doctrine & Covenants 93:29)

So when a spirit child is born of heavenly parents, the pre-existing intelligence enters the spirit body, giving it independent life. Thus a spirit is composed of an intelligence inhabiting a body of spiritual material.
Again: focusing on Christ Himself, yes LDS Christians believe Christ always existed.
 
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LDS Christians 100% believe that there's only 1 God.

The Father, and Son (two different persons) are united as 1 God. They both have always existed. Yes, the Father is Christ's Father. That's very much stated in scripture.

Any mindset of "Mormons believe Christ didn't exist at any point" is grossly inaccurate and doesn't remotely affect actual beliefs.


Prelude here: both LDS Christians and Creedal Christians believe that Christ existed before the Earth was made. The part of this focusing on Christ (because that is the subject here) is verse 27 wherein Christ says "Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me". Christ voluntarily came down to Earth to live His mortal life and do the Father's will.

Again: focusing on Christ Himself, yes LDS Christians believe Christ always existed.
Do you find the book of Mormons aligns with the Bible?