Catholic Preist Sings Song About Lucifer

[Marymog]

Well at least the SDA's recognize how the RCC is a counterfeit by it's methodology of outward appearance.

Ummmm....that makes no sense. Can you explain?

 

[Robert Pate]

No.

But you used to be Catholic so you should know that already.

Mary was an ordinary young woman. She didn't glory in the fact that God chose her to bring the savior of the world into existence. So that no flesh would glory in his sight.

 

[David in NJ]

No.

But you used to be Catholic so you should know that already.

The Spirit of God only leads His Children into Truth.

Sanctified Children's Truth 101 - Acts chapter 4 and the Apostle Peter's Instruction

Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

 

[Illuminator]

LET GOD be TRUE but every man a liar . Yet to many its LET THE POPE or their leader be true .

In his general audience Wednesday, Pope Francis said that abortion "suppresses innocent and helpless life in its blossoming."

"Is it right to take a human life to solve a problem? It's like hiring a hitman," Pope Francis said in St. Peter's Square Oct. 10, in a departure from his prepared remarks.
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Ask me why not a single SDA member was sent to their deaths by the Nazis, when every Christian minority didn't get such an exemption, not to mention 3,000,000 Polish Catholics, and 1000 Bible Students. Don't take my word for it. Google "Holocaust Archives religion statistics" Ask me, make my day.

 

[David in NJ]

Ummmm....that makes no sense. Can you explain?

The Apostle Paul gives us the best explanation - 2 Corinthians 11:12-15

"But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works."

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

It's a Seventh Day Adventist spin off site, that disagrees with the original SDA, loaded with stupid conspiracy theories that appeal to the uneducated and @Rella likes it.

To make matters worse, phoneyman, amigo, David in NU, and others, have hijacked this thread spreading the lies of Ellen G. White, with psychotic anti-Catholic nonsense.

Which lies of EGW do you call psychotic anti-Catholic nonsense? Put up or shut up.

 

[Hobie]

It's a Seventh Day Adventist spin off site, that disagrees with the original SDA, loaded with stupid conspiracy theories that appeal to the uneducated and @Rella likes it. To make matters worse, phoneyman, amigo, David in NU, and others, have hijacked this thread spreading the lies of Ellen G. White, with psychotic anti-Catholic nonsense.

Its not a church 'spin off site' or even affiliated, its a few well meaning members who are a bit rigid, much like the orthodox Hasidic Jews, what can you do...

 

[David in NJ]

Its not a church 'spin off site' or even affiliated, its a few well meaning members who are a bit rigid, much like the orthodox Hasidic Jews, what can you do...

Just as rigid as the LORD Jesus was with those who thought they knew God and Scripture.

Catholicism is in the same bed as Hasidic Jews, which is not a good place to be if you desire Eternal Life.

 

[Illuminator]

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Which lies of EGW do you call psychotic anti-Catholic nonsense? Put up or shut up.

Where to begin?

Answer: Our 10 Commandments do not differ from the Protestant version in content, there is simply a difference in how they are organized. The Protestants first two commandments are: 1) I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any false gods before me; 2) Thou shalt not make any graven images…you shall not bow down to them or serve them. And, their last commandment is simply: Thou shalt not covet.

The first two commandments, Catholic version are: 1) I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any false gods before me; 2) Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. And, our last two commandments are: 9) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife; 10) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods.

So, the Protestants combine our #9 and #10, into their #10. While we combine the Protestants’ #1 and #2, into our #1. Now, some folks say that the Catholics purposely leave out the graven image reference that we find in Protestant Commandment #2 so that we can worship our statues and all that kind of rot. Which is probably what this person you were talking to was getting at, but you can take anyone to page 496 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and show them that we did not leave out the prohibition on worshiping graven images.

In the left hand column of that page, you will see the whole first commandment written out just like it appears in Exodus 20. You have the long version on the left, the shorter version in the middle, and the traditional version for catechesis on the right. Notice the mention of graven images under Commandment #1?

In essence, we simply don’t write the whole thing out, because we know that bowing down to (worshiping) graven images falls under: “Thou shalt not have any false gods before me.” Just so, the Protestants shorten the commandment about coveting. Go to page 497 of the Catechism (or to Exodus 20) and see all the things that are included in the, "Thou shalt not covet," section. The Protestants don’t write out all those things, they just say, "Thou shalt not covet."

Does that mean they left out part of the Commandments so that they could indeed covet some things? No. It’s understood that “Thou shalt not covet,” covers all of those things. Just like Catholics understand that, “Thou shalt not have any false gods before me,” means that we should not worship idols, or graven images, as false gods.

Furthermore, guess who wrote a catechism that had the first and second Commandments exactly the same as the Catholics do? Martin Luther. That’s right, Martin Luther, in his “Small Catechism” (which was a catechism meant primarily for children), listed the first two commandments in the exact same way Catholics do. Yet, do Protestants ever complain about Martin Luther changing the Ten Commandments? I don’t think so.
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[David in NJ]

Its not a church 'spin off site' or even affiliated, its a few well meaning members who are a bit rigid, much like the orthodox Hasidic Jews, what can you do...

Speaking of "rigid", have you read this lately = Matthew 5:17-20

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Cassandra]

We are not to make idols,--ahem, ahem.
Then 2nd commandment in your book is gone, Sabbath becomes 3rd, and you split the last to not coveting, and not coveting your neighbor's wife, which should be already covered in "Thou shalt not commit adultery." I always thought that was strange.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Where to begin?

Please refer to your reply #1109 as I am over 10,000 characters by repeating it here

The Septuagint (LXX) which is older should have a ranking over the more recent translations.

Exodus 20

1 And the Lord spoke all these words, saying:
2 I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods beside me.
4 Thou shalt not make to thyself an idol, nor likeness of anything, whatever things are in the heaven above, and whatever are in the earth beneath, and whatever are in the waters under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down to them, nor serve them; for I am the Lord thy God, a jealous God, recompensing the sins of the fathers upon the children, to the third and fourth generation to them that hate me,
6 and bestowing mercy on them that love me to thousands , and on them that keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord thy God will not acquit him that takes his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.
9 Six days thou shalt labour, and shalt perform all thy work.
10 But on the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God; on it thou shalt do no work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy servant nor thy maidservant, thine ox nor thine ass, nor any cattle of thine, nor the stranger that sojourns with thee.
11 For in six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, and the sea and all things in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother, that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest live long on the good land, which the Lord thy God gives to thee.
13 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
14 Thou shalt not steal.
15 Thou shalt not kill.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife; thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house; nor his field, nor his servant, nor his maid, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any of his cattle, nor whatever belongs to thy neighbour.

Does that mean they left out part of the Commandments so that they could indeed covet some things? No. It’s understood that “Thou shalt not covet,” covers all of those things. Just like Catholics understand that, “Thou shalt not have any false gods before me,” means that we should not worship idols, or graven images, as false gods.

That is not the meaning of the Protestant 2nd and definitely not what is in the LXX.
LXX
4 Thou shalt not make to thyself an idol, nor likeness of anything, whatever things are in the heaven above, and whatever are in the earth beneath, and whatever are in the waters under the earth.

This states though shalt NOT make.

Protestant NKJV

1

“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.

2

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.

Septuagint states

13 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

NKJV states

7	“You shall not commit adultery.

THESE COVER WHAT YOU SEEM TO THINK THE PROTESTANTS JOINED TOGETHER IN THE 10TH.... OF COVETING. cERTAINLY IF WE COVET A SPOUSE OF OUR NEIGHBOR EVERYONE DESERVES A BIG RED ABRANDED ON THEIR FOREHEADS.

If the Catholics need 2 separate from coveting in general... what does that tell you about what God thought their minesets were?

The Septuagint last 2 are

16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife; thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house; nor his field, nor his servant, nor his maid, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any of his cattle, nor whatever belongs to thy neighbour.

NKJV are

9	“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10	“You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

Interlinear Hebrew/English

Furthermore, guess who wrote a catechism that had the first and second Commandments exactly the same as the Catholics do? Martin Luther. That’s right, Martin Luther, in his “Small Catechism” (which was a catechism meant primarily for children), listed the first two commandments in the exact same way Catholics do. Yet, do Protestants ever complain about Martin Luther changing the Ten Commandments? I don’t think so.
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I hold no regard for the EX Catholic Martin Luther... After all... he was not always an EX.

And he also was not of the opinion that most RCC hold that immersion is not necessary and especially not for Children....

Martin Luther on Immersion​

Posted on September 30, 2009 by Jack Cottrell
Martin Luther on Immersion
by Jack Cottrell (Notes) on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 at 8:43am

A RECENT QUESTION: Was Martin Luther himself immersed? The question came up at church yesterday in a discussion about Martin Luther’s high view of baptism.

MY REPLY: I do not know the answer to your question. I do know that Luther strongly defended the practice of immersion. E.g., in his treatise, “The Babylonian Captivity of the Church,” printed in “Three Treatises” (Fortress 1960), he says, “The second part of baptism is the sign, or sacrament, which is that immersion in water from which it derives its name, for the Greek ‘baptizo’ means ‘I immerse,’ and ‘baptisma’ means, ‘immersion'” (186). “It is therefore indeed correct to say that baptism is a washing away of sins, but the expression is too mild and weak to bring out the full significance of baptism, which is rather a symbol of death and resurrection. For this reason I would have those who are to be baptized completely immersed in the water, as the word says and as the mystery indicates. Not because I deem this necessary, [!!!] but because it would be well to give to a thing so perfect and complete a sign that is also complete and perfect. And this is doubtless the way in which it was instituted by Christ. The sinner does not so much need to be washed as he needs to die, in order to be wholly renewed and made another creature, and to be conformed to the death and resurrection of Christ, with whom he dies and rises again through baptism” (191). “Baptism swallowed up your whole body and gave it forth again” (192). Here he gives three reasons for immersion: 1) This is what the Greek word means. 2) Only immersion truly portrays physically what is happening spiritually at that time. 3) This is what Jesus himself instituted. In the face of these overwhelmingly convincing reasons, how he can in the same breath say that this is not necessary is completely infathomable. It is an example of how irrational we can become at the temptation of Satan and his demons (1 Tim. 4:1).

Now... do you want to go further into Martin Luther?

 

[Marymog]

Mary was an ordinary young woman. She didn't glory in the fact that God chose her to bring the savior of the world into existence. So that no flesh would glory in his sight.

Hello Robert,

Ordinary young woman? Jesus would disagree with you. Why are you belittling the Mother of God?

The earliest Christian writings, some from the time the Apostles were still alive, say that she was not ordinary. Then the Protestant Revolution came along and the Revolutionaries that you follow started saying Mary was ordinary. Why do accept the 500-year-old teaching on Mary and reject the 2,000-year-old teaching about Mary?

If she was an ordinary woman, why did God choose HER? She must have been extraordinary to Him!

If she was an ordinary woman, why does Scripture say she is highly favored (Luke 1:28)? Where does Scripture say that all ordinary women are highly favored?

An angel from God declared her blessed among women (Luke 1:42). That declaration puts her ABOVE ordinary women.

All generations are to call her blessed (Luke 1:48). Was that title given to every young woman in her day? How many ordinary women has God given that title to?

I have given you Scripture and Christian history that supports the fact that God see's Mary as more than ordinary.

You have given your opinion. ;)

I will go with Scripture over your opinion.

Peace to you.....Mary

If @Illuminator or @BreadOfLife or @Sigma would like to add some defense of Our Mother that I am not thinking of .....I would appreciate it.

 

[Marymog]

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Which lies of EGW do you call psychotic anti-Catholic nonsense? Put up or shut up.

Identification of the pope as Antichrist.

The papal system represented “the apostasy of the latter times.”

The inscription on the papal tiara adds up to 666 in Hebrew letters.

By holding to Sunday sacredness, Protestantism was still in bed with Catholicism, regardless of any church’s professed anti-Catholicism.

I am sure @Illuminator will add some things also....

Now that I have "put up" are YOU going to "shut up"?

Curious Mary

EDIT...I see Illuminator already responded.

 

[Marymog]

We are not to make idols,--ahem, ahem.
Then 2nd commandment in your book is gone, Sabbath becomes 3rd, and you split the last to not coveting, and not coveting your neighbor's wife, which should be already covered in "Thou shalt not commit adultery." I always thought that was strange.

Not a good look for the Pope, is it?

Do you think that he sees that plaster replication of baby Jesus as an idol?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

Martin Luther on Immersion​

Posted on September 30, 2009 by Jack Cottrell
Martin Luther on Immersion
by Jack Cottrell (Notes) on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 at 8:43am

A RECENT QUESTION: Was Martin Luther himself immersed? The question came up at church yesterday in a discussion about Martin Luther’s high view of baptism.

MY REPLY: I do not know the answer to your question. I do know that Luther strongly defended the practice of immersion. E.g., in his treatise, “The Babylonian Captivity of the Church,” printed in “Three Treatises” (Fortress 1960), he says, “The second part of baptism is the sign, or sacrament, which is that immersion in water from which it derives its name, for the Greek ‘baptizo’ means ‘I immerse,’ and ‘baptisma’ means, ‘immersion'” (186). “It is therefore indeed correct to say that baptism is a washing away of sins, but the expression is too mild and weak to bring out the full significance of baptism, which is rather a symbol of death and resurrection. For this reason I would have those who are to be baptized completely immersed in the water, as the word says and as the mystery indicates. Not because I deem this necessary, [!!!] but because it would be well to give to a thing so perfect and complete a sign that is also complete and perfect. And this is doubtless the way in which it was instituted by Christ. The sinner does not so much need to be washed as he needs to die, in order to be wholly renewed and made another creature, and to be conformed to the death and resurrection of Christ, with whom he dies and rises again through baptism” (191). “Baptism swallowed up your whole body and gave it forth again” (192). Here he gives three reasons for immersion: 1) This is what the Greek word means. 2) Only immersion truly portrays physically what is happening spiritually at that time. 3) This is what Jesus himself instituted. In the face of these overwhelmingly convincing reasons, how he can in the same breath say that this is not necessary is completely infathomable. It is an example of how irrational we can become at the temptation of Satan and his demons (1 Tim. 4:1).

Now... do you want to go further into Martin Luther?

Who the heck is JACK COTTRELL?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

The Apostle Paul gives us the best explanation - 2 Corinthians 11:12-15

"But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works."

I am not making the connection you are trying to give me....but I digress.

 

[Marymog]

The Spirit of God only leads His Children into Truth.

Sanctified Children's Truth 101 - Acts chapter 4 and the Apostle Peter's Instruction

Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Ummmmm.....Your response makes no sense and has NOTHING to do with Catholics NOT looking upon Mary as a goddess. As an ex-Catholic you know this already, but you seem to be content on spreading the lie that we do look at her as a goddess. You baffle me.....

Shame on you.....

 

[David in NJ]

Ummmmm.....Your response makes no sense and has NOTHING to do with Catholics NOT looking upon Mary as a goddess. As an ex-Catholic you know this already, but you seem to be content on spreading the lie that we do look at her as a goddess. You baffle me.....

Shame on you.....

Of course catholics do not believe Mary is a goddess.......or do they!

"Hail Mary mother of God...." = this statement declares Mary as a 'goddess'

Thusly, thru ignorance and deception, catholics worship the 'mother of god'!


I have repented from this SHAME but you have yet to - therefore, this SHAME remains on you!

 

[BreadOfLife]

THEY were inspired of men , mens wisdom . But you have no idea what i mean . cause if the RCC claims them , YOU CLIAM THEM .
THERE is a big differnce between truths and mixture , verses TRUTH ITSELF .
THE SEVEN were not inspired OF HEAVEN , but of men . THE SIXTY SIX were INSPIRED of heaven and contain no leaven .
I discerned a big difference in the TWO real fast .
I read them with a open mind too . I too wondered WHY , why would a church remove them .
SO with an open mind i read them . THEN UNDERSTOOD I , WHY they had been removed .
ITS NOT LIKE everything those books said were lies . but rather it was mens wisdom to try and put together
something MEN thought might help . WHEN IN TRUTH they dont help but rather lead to something else .
I SEEN WHORE in some of them . things that pointed more to the way the RCC does things
and those things contradicted SOME things the original sixty six had said .
ITs been over fifteen years since i read them .
WHEN i read the sixty six it was not the same as when i was reading the other seven EITHER .
MY ADVICE FOR YOU . GET THE SIXTY SIX WELL LEARNED . READ THEM FOR YOURSELF
four hours daily , learn them well . THEN YOU WILL SEE the DIFFERENCE plain as DAY . JUST like i did .

Thank you for that empty and impotent response.
You told me NOTHING - but your own personal opinion.

YOU decided that the 7 Deuterocanonical Books and portions of Damiel and Esther were “uninspired” but didn’t give a SINGLE example as to why. In the meantime – you trust the 27 Books of the NT ARE inspired – by the Authority of the Catholic Church.

So, you reject the 46 Book OT canon declared by the Catholic Church – yet you adhere to the 27 Book NT canon declared by that SAME Church.
How do you justify this?