gay christians?

[Marymog]

Theory?

Did God condone homosexuality?

Yes, theory. Since there is nothing in Scripture to back up LAMB's statement that 'There is no such being as a true believer in Christ and being "gay"! That means it is a theory until he/she gives some proof that it is true.

God condemns the person who commits the homosexual ACT just like he condemns all sins committed by all sinners. The beautiful part is that all of us sinners are welcome to sit at his table and are welcome into His Church. AND we can all be forgiven.....unless we commit the unforgivable sin!!

Mary

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

I have pondered this for a bit of time Gabriel and have come to this conclusion.

I think what Scripture is saying is that Judas decided to betray Jesus for money by turning him over to the Chief Priests! The words Luke used "Satan entered into Judas" are the same as saying "Sin entered into Judas". Or Judas decided to betray Jesus for money and that was a sin.

Also, I guess, one could say that Judas WAS possessed by Satan for that brief period of time and he didn't have free will. Someone had to betray Jesus and Judas was....for a lack of better words....forced to do it.

Mary

I think if it was meant to say Judas sinned when betraying Jesus, the text would read as such.

What is interesting is the question,how would Jesus have been put to death,died, for the sins of the world if the first sinner that is Satan didn't take that first step to make it happen?

Yes, theory. Since there is nothing in Scripture to back up LAMB's statement that 'There is no such being as a true believer in Christ and being "gay"! That means it is a theory until he/she gives some proof that it is true.

God condemns the person who commits the homosexual ACT just like he condemns all sins committed by all sinners. The beautiful part is that all of us sinners are welcome to sit at his table and are welcome into His Church. AND we can all be forgiven.....unless we commit the unforgivable sin!!

Mary

No theory, just Bible 1John 3:6.

Yes,God calls gays to his grace. However, if they continue to be sexually active homosexuals,they are not abiding in Christ.

Which means they are nominal Christians. That means they're claiming the identity of Christian , yet are not one.

 

[Mink57]

so you don't believe in free choice?

Of COURSE I do!

 

[Ziggy]

Judas did what he had to do so that scripture would be fulfilled.
Jesus knew the plan. He told Judas to do what needed to be done quickly.
Prophecies regarding thirty pieces of silver being thrown to the Potter's field, had to be fulfilled.
Believe it or not, Judas did the will of the Father.
Now Peter on the other hand... He denied Christ 3 times in the same night.
Jesus warned Peter, if I be denied before men, then I will deny them before God.
Where was Peter's faith???

And of course it is Peter who throws the first stone at Judas calling him the betrayer.
But I digress...

Zec 11:12
And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.
Zec 11:13
And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.

Mat 26:14
Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests,
Mat 26:15
And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver.
Mat 27:3
Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
Mat 27:4
Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
Mat 27:5
And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Mat 27:6
And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
Mat 27:7
And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.
Mat 27:8
Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.
Mat 27:9
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;
Mat 27:10
And gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me.

Isa 55:11
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Judas didn't have a choice in the matter. He was Chosen and appointed to this end.
What will God do when he stands before the judgement seat?

If you sent someone on a mission and they went, would that be held against you?
Or what if you were sent on a mission and you didn't go, would you be rewarded for it?

Mat 21:28
But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
Mat 21:29
He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
Mat 21:30
And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
Mat 21:31
Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

 

[Mink57]

What race are you racist against?

Perhaps he's against the human race!

 

[Mr E]

Can you find the passage that tells you Satan entered Judas?

When Satan acts out in the body of a man,is the man responsible for the Satan's acts?

The classic— “the devil made me do it!”

 

[Illuminator]

Perhaps he's against the human race!

Racism is related to anti-Catholicism. The socialization process is the same. Nobody is born a racist. Nobody is born an anti-Catholic. The difference is one is socially acceptable and the other is not.

 

[BarneyFife]

Hey Bfife,

Gabrial Arch said that since Judas was possessed by Satan, he did not sin!

@Mink57 and I are just trying to get clarification on the "did not sin" part! We have never heard that theory before.

Mary

Fair enough. I wouldn't venture to toss my hat into a "sinless Judas" ring. I was merely responding to the technical challenge. :)

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[Taken]

Catholics don't pray to Mary; they pray through Mary. Plus, it's not as if Catholics pray through Mary …

]”Catholics pray through Mary…”
“But it’s not as if Catholics pray through Mary”…

Catholics pray through Mary, but it’s not as if Catholics pray through Mary?

Saying you DO pray through Mary, and DO NOT pray through Mary….

That is Catholic teaching to DO something, then appease your claim, by “SAYING” you DO NOT DO what you have DONE.

That is twisting a TRUTH into a Lie.
:-(

 

[St. SteVen]

... far too much speculation as to this area of moral activity...

I don't think a 5 year old boy who prefers to plat Barbie with the neighborhood girls,
nor the girl in that group who chooses to be the Ken doll are making a moral decision.

And they may both grow out of it, or the boy may end up as a clothing designer
and the girl as a road construction worker. Have we crossed any moral boundaries yet?

But it's pretty clear that the boy always felt like a girl in a male body, and the girl as a boy in a female body.
In fact we are fully supportive of Tomboys but so much when it comes to... what do we even call them?
The Tomboy is accepted an celebrated, while the boy is branded as gay.

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[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
No. It is natural for us to desire sexual fulfillment when we come of age.

This precludes the "as far back as.." scenario, btw.

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Does it?
Probably more complex than that.

And I think that is my biggest beef on this subject.
Christianity, or the church wants to make it a B+W issue.



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[Mink57]

Catholics pray through Mary, but it’s not as if Catholics pray through Mary?

Saying you DO pray through Mary, and DO NOT pray through Mary….

That is Catholic teaching to DO something, then appease your claim, by “SAYING” you DO NOT DO what you have DONE.

That is twisting a TRUTH into a Lie.
:-(

No, Taken. It is YOU who is twisting MY words into a lie. You deliberately left off the part of the sentence that's after the ellipsis.
I simply responded to what Dan Clarkston wrote when he expressed that Catholics pray to Mary rather than praying directly to the Father in Jesus name.

I wrote: "Plus, it's not as if Catholics pray through Mary instead of praying through Jesus." The bolded is what's after the ellipsis that you didn't include.

 

[Taken]

Racism is related to anti-Catholicism. The socialization process is the same. Nobody is born a racist. Nobody is born an anti-Catholic. The difference is one is socially acceptable and the other is not.

LOL -
Catholicism is not a Race.
Skin color is not a Race.

Race is The lineage of a family, or continued series of descendants from a parent who is called the stock.
A Race is the series of descendants indefinitely.

All humans BEGAN as the STOCK / Race of ADAM.

God DIVIDED the STOCK / Race of ADAM, during the Generation of ADAM and EVE (wife) Offspring, SETH.

DIVIDED…by STOCK offspring, called sons of~

DIVIDED…by STOCK offspring, called lands of~

DIVIDED…by STOCK offspring, called nations of~

DIVIDED…by STOCK offspring, called [B} Hebrews and Gentiles [/B] (whatever lands, nations, they occupied).

DIVIDED…by STOCK offspring, called Hebrews, Israelites, Tribes, Nations (occupying specific Lands).

DIVIDED…by STOCK offspring, called Hebrews, Israelites, Tribes, Jews (in whatever lands, nations, they occupied.)

DIVIDED…by STOCK offspring, called Gentiles (Greeks), (in whatever lands, nations, they occupied.)

Hebrews, Israelites, Tribes, Jews …
Religious Standing;
the Heavenly God Almighty, their Creator, their God.

Gentiles (Greeks)…Religious Standing;
their gods; men, women, moon, sun, statues, objects, fictional mythology folk lore.

MANY “Tribesmen” (primarily all calling themselves…JEWS and / or ISRAELITES)
* FALLING AWAY…FROM Gods TEACHING and FOLLOWING GENTILES, “gods”.

Heavenly God Almighty’s WORD was sent to EARTH, (By God), (AS a Jewish man), to TEACH the (FALLING AWAY) JEWS / ISRAELITE (RACE)…?

TEACH the JEWS WHAT?
* The SAME TRUTHS of God the HEBREWS were TAUGHT.
* AND to REVEAL MORE TRUTHS that HAD BEEN kept Secret FROM the Hebrews!

POINT?
From the day God DIVIDED, Hebrews and Gentiles…it was EXPRESSLY the Hebrews and their STOCK descendants appointed to TEACH THE WORLD (Hebrews, Israelites, Tribes, Jews AND Gentiles). THE TRUE Word of the Lord Gods Almighty.

 

[Taken]

Catholics are the First Christians.

That IS ridiculously funny.

Because the FIRST followers of JESUS and the FIRST CONVERTED IN Christ, and the FIRST Members of Christ’s Church and the FIRST TEACHERS of men (Jews and Gentiles), and the FIRST SCRIBES writings of the JEWS Teachings and the FIRST RECORDERS writing the SCROLLS from the SCRIBES writings and the FIRST coping from the SCROLLS to Distribute to SYNAGOGUES WERE JEWS….

(not Gentiles who called themselves Catholics)

 

[Taken]

No, Taken. It is YOU who is twisting MY words into a lie. You deliberately left off the part of the sentence that's after the ellipsis.
I simply responded to what Dan Clarkston wrote when he expressed that Catholics pray to Mary rather than praying directly to the Father in Jesus name.

I wrote: "Plus, it's not as if Catholics pray through Mary instead of praying through Jesus." The bolded is what's after the ellipsis that you didn't include.

Point is you can not SPEAK for all Catholics.
Millions of people claim “Catholicism” is their religion. Individual Catholics VOICE what “THEY” believe and “DO”.

Catholics HAVE out of their own mouths…
Claimed:
…”they were “naturally born Catholic”.
…”they pray TO Mary”.
…”they repeatedly pray “TO” Mary, counting each repetitive prayers “TO” Mary on their rosary beads.”
…”Mary is their HOLY advocate”.
…”Gods SEED IMPREGNATED Mary’s egg”.
…”Jesus HAS, Mary’s “DNA”!
…”they bow and pray TO statues”.
…”Mary was naturally born WITHOUT sin”.
…”Mary NEVER died”.
…”Mary DENIED her Husband, by remaining a VIRGIN.
…”Mary delivers their prayers to God”.
…”Mary’s ALIVE BODY Rose up to Heaven”.
…”Mary bodily Sits as QUEEN, in a QUEENS seat Next to God, IN Gods Heavenly Kingdom”.

THOSE claims are by men claiming to have been raised by Catholics, in a Catholic household, attended Catholic schools, attended a Catholic Church, and taught such things By Catholic male Priests and Catholic female Nuns.

 

[PossibleThrowawayAccount]

I am going to interupt this fighting by linking to this site: Gay Christian 101 - Affirming God's glorious good news for all LGBs.

Although I am sure many will disagree with it, I found it helpful.

 

[Ritajanice]

Can you find the passage that tells you Satan entered Judas?

When Satan acts out in the body of a man,is the man responsible for the Satan's acts?

Luke 22:3-23

King James Version

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3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

 

[JohnDB]

Hmmmm JDB.....so you believe that it is impossible to return to sin AFTER you have a personal relationship with God? Judas had a personal relationship with Jesus....but I doubt he returned to sin.

No...
Not what I said or intended.
It's the book of Hebrews. And it's impossible to return to a lifestyle characterized by a sin if you have a personal relationship with Jesus.

Judas is another subject. A red herring at the moment because he was not a Giver but a Taker. (Christians are givers by nature...never not a giver)

Homosexuality is, by definition, an identity. You cannot separate the person from the sin. And the sin of Homosexuality is the result of other idolatrous sins. (Chiefly worshipping yourself)

Any identity that pre-empts God being first, foremost, and an all consuming passion in your life is sin. (AKA: blasphemy of the Holy Spirit) And it can be any identity other than one known as a sin. But Homosexuality is an obvious sin....no different than prostitute or thief or recreational drug dealer.

 

[St. SteVen]

I am going to interupt this fighting by linking to this site: Gay Christian 101 - Affirming God's glorious good news for all LGBs.

Although I am sure many will disagree with it, I found it helpful.

Thanks for the link.
That's a great answer to the topic question.
What's not Christian about that site, and those who identify?

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[Marymog]

No...
Not what I said or intended.
It's the book of Hebrews. And it's impossible to return to a lifestyle characterized by a sin if you have a personal relationship with Jesus.

Judas is another subject. A red herring at the moment because he was not a Giver but a Taker. (Christians are givers by nature...never not a giver)

Homosexuality is, by definition, an identity. You cannot separate the person from the sin. And the sin of Homosexuality is the result of other idolatrous sins. (Chiefly worshipping yourself)

Any identity that pre-empts God being first, foremost, and an all consuming passion in your life is sin. (AKA: blasphemy of the Holy Spirit) And it can be any identity other than one known as a sin. But Homosexuality is an obvious sin....no different than prostitute or thief or recreational drug dealer.

Thank you for the clarification.

I NEVER want to return to a lifestyle characterized by sin. However, I know that I have free will and that I am not a puppet of God. I could return to that lifestyle. Where does Scripture give the criteria that one has to meet for a personal relationship with God? What are the rules? How do I know WHAT I need to do to have a personal relationship with God?

Mary