gay christians?

[Mink57]

I don't see Satan confessing any sins in the bible. And I don't see him doing much repenting in the world.
So that tells me that he had his chance back then in the garden before he decided to decieve Eve.

Rev 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

nope, don't look like he's gonna make it.

Hugs

Well, there's others who are like satan. Even if they acknowledge that God exists, they have no desire -- nor would they have any future desire -- to serve Him. After all, Christ knows their hearts. He knows their hearts from the past, present and future. He knows if they would EVER change.

 

[BarneyFife]

St. SteVen said:
- A teen has always felt a same sex attraction as long as they can remember. And you say sin?

No. It is natural for us to desire sexual fulfillment when we come of age.

It drives heterosexual marriage urges as much as same sex attraction.
Do you consider heterosexual marriage urges to be on the same level as "sexual fantasies that go beyond temptation"?
I hope so. Isn't that what drives young people to get married? But what if the sexual attraction goes a different direction, then what?

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I don't know what "same level" means and I can't crawl into someone's head and determine when the line between temptation and sin is crossed. It just seems to me that we do far too much speculation as to this area of moral activity and I'd rather caution others to be safe rather than sorry.

Surely we all know what drives people to get married.

I just don't believe we need to sacrifice virtue for charity's sake. It's a new idea who's time never really came.

This generation is not suffering from too much moral expectation. The opposite is definitely the case. The Bible couldn't be clearer about that.

I had to be careful about what I let get into my head as a youth and I didn't always do very well. Sometimes it cost me, in this life.

And when I didn't, I was wrong and I therefore added to the price Christ had to pay for our sins. I can't encourage young people to make the same mistakes I made, or worse.

"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in."—Abraham Lincoln

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[Marymog]

That was not the Church doing this, it was the catholic cult people killing real Christians for following the teachings of Jesus and refusing to follow the catholic cultic teachings.


That was not real Christians doing that.

It was the john calvin and martin luther cult doing that. They were like the catholics in that they were making stuff up as they went along too instead of going by what the bible teaches.

Goodness Dan Clarkston....you are a real hoot

OK....sooooo the Protestants that killed other Protestants and Catholics were not 'real Christians'!!! Which means they were killing the real Christians? Sooooooo, How do you know they were killing the "real Christians"? What criteria had to be met 500 years ago when this was going to be a 'real Christian'? If you weren't killing anybody for disagreeing with your doctrine....THEN You were a real Christian???

Sooooo now we have the Calvin and Luther cult along with the Catholic cult. I suspect you would put the Eastern Orthodox in the cult category also?

Which denomination is NOT a cult Dan? The one YOU belong to? BTW....what church/denomination do you attend?

Curious Mary

 

[BarneyFife]

No. It is natural for us to desire sexual fulfillment when we come of age.

This precludes the "as far back as.." scenario, btw.

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[Mink57]

You're welcome.

I read the Bible.

Great. Please show us the verse that says that Judas was possessed by satan...

 

[Marymog]

You're welcome.

I read the Bible.

Ah.....So it says in the bible that since Judas was possessed by Satan, he did not sin.

Which passages are those? I can't find them

Thank you in advance.....Mary

 

[BarneyFife]

Great. Please show us the verse that says that Judas was possessed by satan...

Luke 22:3 - The Plot to Kill Jesus

Then Satan entered Judas Iscariot, who was one of the Twelve.

biblehub.com

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[Ziggy]

What about the passage's that say, 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

You asked me this same question..

You remember when Jesus was scolding the Jews about being the children of Abraham?
They believed that they had a secure passage to heaven without having to confess any sin.
They were self-righteous. They relied on their lineage to save them.

Now take John's passage: If we say that we have no sin, we decieve ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Jesus said the same thing here:

Jhn 8:31
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Jhn 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Jhn 8:33
They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Jhn 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Jhn 8:35
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Jhn 8:36
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Jhn 8:37
I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

They couldn't see that they needed saving, they believed they had no sin and weren't bound to sin.
They didn't believe they needed to repent. They were Abraham's seed. Done deal, end of discussion.

And I'll show you another:
Rev 3:17
Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Now read: 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

So first we have to recognize we are sinners. Then we must confess those sins, and he forgives us our sin.
If we say we have not sinned, as the Jews did who were of the seed of Abraham, then they don't have the true seed of God in them.


Jhn 8:39
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Jhn 8:40
But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Jhn 8:41
Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Jhn 8:42
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Jhn 8:43
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Jhn 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Jhn 8:45
And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Jhn 8:46
Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
Jhn 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

John 8 isn't speaking to those who have come to Jesus acknowledging their sin and asking for forgiveness and repenting from sin.
He is talking to those who believe they never sinned and had no need of forgiveness because of their lineage.

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Well, there's others who are like satan. Even if they acknowledge that God exists, they have no desire -- nor would they have any future desire -- to serve Him. After all, Christ knows their hearts. He knows their hearts from the past, present and future. He knows if they would EVER change.

so you don't believe in free choice?

 

[Illuminator]

Goodness Dan Clarkston....you are a real hoot

OK....sooooo the Protestants that killed other Protestants and Catholics were not 'real Christians'!!! Which means they were killing the real Christians? Sooooooo, How do you know they were killing the "real Christians"? What criteria had to be met 500 years ago when this was going to be a 'real Christian'? If you weren't killing anybody for disagreeing with your doctrine....THEN You were a real Christian???

Sooooo now we have the Calvin and Luther cult along with the Catholic cult. I suspect you would put the Eastern Orthodox in the cult category also?

Which denomination is NOT a cult Dan? The one YOU belong to? BTW....what church/denomination do you attend?

Curious Mary

Dan is a professor, not a student.

 

[Marymog]

Continuing with an examination of the Pope’s Declaration….

In addition to his claim that blessings possess ‘special powers’ he directs priests in this statement not to be too discriminating in selecting just whom to bless. After all, says the Pope—

28. There are several occasions when people spontaneously ask for a blessing, whether on pilgrimages, at shrines, or even on the street when they meet a priest.

Here, he is doing his best to minimize the group he’s actually talking about (gays in irregular marriages) and equivocating that group with folks you might meet on the street— pilgrims, or elderly people, are the examples he offers. He’s saying -it’s all the same. Irregular, perhaps, but otherwise completely normal. (Cough). There are several rites like this, for those pilgrims, old folks, or the sick— and ‘Such blessings are meant for everyone; no one is to be excluded from them.” That’s the parallel he is drawing, as guidance for his priests.

He goes on… again, the comparison is made between this irregular group and elderly folks— those whom we should bless and be thankful for. No one can be prevented from this act of giving thanks, and each person—even if he or she lives in situations that are not ordered to the Creator’s plan—possesses positive elements for which we can praise the Lord.

So you see, the Pope is saying— sure, these LGBTQ+++ folks might live in situations that are not ordered to the Creator’s plan, but shucks— Praise the Lord anyway and bless them for the positive elements they possess.

Wow MR E....You are making some good points. Most of your posts are nonsensical dribble that make no sense. You are on fire in this one. Did you cut and paste this from someone else? Never mind...I should just give you credit because I know you wouldn't cut and paste someone else's work without giving them credit!! Right????

Yes, the pope, via this document, is saying that a blessing upon a child of God should not be denied. Jesus welcomed all to the table and into His Church. I suspect that is what Francis is conveying.

And the document clearly states that same sex unions are not to be blessed. Sooooo I don't see a problem here.

Mary

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

Ah.....So it says in the bible that since Judas was possessed by Satan, he did not sin.

Which passages are those? I can't find them

Thank you in advance.....Mary

Can you find the passage that tells you Satan entered Judas?

When Satan acts out in the body of a man,is the man responsible for the Satan's acts?

 

[Marymog]

Still waiting for that list of personal insults you insist I directed at you.

You say you posted it, but at times what you say doesn’t align with truth. Are you talking about Post #211, which you addressed to @Dan Clarkston ? That’s the only “list” I could find, but your links didn’t work, and the posts you reference could hardly be considered personally insulting. I mean it’s not like I personally called you “Troll” or LIAR (all caps/bold font) the way some people personalize insults. Know anyone like that?

What you promised was this>>


I don’t know how much time you spent researching, but what you came up with was laughable. Let’s look at each one….

Post 123>>>. (Not personal as it wasn’t addressed to you at all, and neither would anyone (but you) call it personally insulting- as it was merely informational.

I linked a news story and asked a question of @Illuminator , you were not personally mentioned nor addressed.

Post 136>>> You consider “Unconscious Mary” insulting? That’s a little thin-skinned. You call yourself a variety of names— “Curious Mary” or “Patient Mary”. can’t I follow suit and call ‘em as I see ‘me? I can. Don’t be so contrary Mary.

Post 160>>> This is your farthest reach yet. Again, not addressed to you and not personal in any way. Do better. You promised that it was going to be easy, but you haven’t lived up to your words. Not a good look. You’ll have to type slowly for me and show me exactly what it is in Post 160 that you found ‘personally insulting.”

Post 180>>> Again, a reply to someone else and not to you personally. It was in agreement with that person and simply an observation. Mary— your list is disappointing to say the least.

And finally, Post 187>>> Not personal— in fact it was addressed or in reply to anyone at all. Mere satire… perhaps humor is lost on you, but I kind of agree. It isn’t funny. It’s sad.

In conclusion— your “list” of my supposed personal insults directed at you doesn’t exist.

Yet, I remain willing to engage you on the subject at hand. I noticed you had much less to say about my first post in response to your demand to work from the Pope’s Declaration. It’s okay— I’m not personally offended.

JUST LIKE I PREDICTED: I know you won't own up to it ........

FINALLY, someone who can give a little and take a little and not get all worked up and say, 'I'm putting you on the ignore list" because my feelings are hurt....I am not personally offended either MR E. Its all good...


I thought I answered/responded to all your posts....if I missed one that you were expecting a response from, let me know. Some of your posts are WAY OUT there and don't deserve a response or are off topic....but I will take a look at whatever post you ask me to look at..



Mary
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[Marymog]

I think it is wonderful. Let all the Christian churches become full of them.

What race are you racist against?

 

[Marymog]

There is no such being as a true believer in Christ and being " gay" !

Hmmmmm...so let me see if I have your theory correct LAMB.

A gay person cannot be a true believer in Christ.
So when a gay person is introduced to Christ, they can believe in Him, their belief just isn't a true belief. It's a false belief.

Is that your theory?

Mary

 

[Marymog]

Yet,in that defense they show they're,he, is not well educated in Catholic doctrine.

I think that's why he is rude and personally attacks those to whom he is posting. Thinking that vitriol will distract us from realizing that very thing.

Trolls are lazy. Education costs time.

Trolls prefer to spend time expressing how lost and empty they are as they fill their days attacking the Christian faithful in our own communities.

They have no joy in their life because they have no understanding as to what true emotionally satisfying joy is.

For the Troll joy is felt in feeling satisfied they are personally responsible for throwing dung into a white light of Christ community.
They're encouraged to keep on when we respond in our way,the way of Christ,thinking,in error,we can reach a person who is on the wrong path.

We're wrong.

Trolls targeting we the Christian faithful are the recruits of Demons. Their father has closed their eyes,minds,heart,so they will do his bidding.

They are spawns of Hell. And unless it be Father's will,shall finish this life and enter that eternal home they first thought to mock as just as much a myth as Christianity.

Their father knows better. He also knows how easy it is to manipulate those empty minds to his will. And when we read them here,we see that too.

If you tell a Troll,quietly to yourself as you read their latest post, go to Hell, that is not a personal attack you're thinking of. No, that's actually the same as stating outright and publicly to their attention, "GO HOME!"

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So a politician dies and ends up standing in front of the Pearly Gates. Saint Peter looks at him for a second, flicks through his book, and finds his name.

‟So, you’re a politician…”

‟Well, yes, is that a problem?”

‟Oh no, no problem. But we have recently adopted a new system for people in your line of work, and unfortunately you will have to spend a day in Hell. After that however, you’re free to choose where you want to spend eternity!”

‟Wait, I have to spend a day in Hell?” says the politician.

‟Them’s the rules” says St Peter. He clicks his fingers and *woomph*, the guy disappears.

He awakes, curled up with his hands over his eyes, knowing he’s in Hell. Cautiously, he listens for the screams, sniffs the air for brimstone, and finds … Nothing. Just the smell of, is that fabric softener? And cut grass, this can’t be right?

‟Open your eyes!” says a voice. ‟C’mon, wakey wakey, we have only got 24 hours!”

Nervously, he uncovers his eyes, looks around, and sees he’s in a hotel room. A nice one too. Wait, this is a penthouse suite … And there’s a smiling man in a suit, holding a martini.

‟Who are you??” The politician asks.

‟Well, I’m Satan!” says the man, handing him the drink and helping him to his feet. ‟Welcome to Hell!”

‟Wait, this is Hell? But … Where’s all the pain and suffering?” he asks.

Satan throws him a wink. ‟Oh, we have been a bit misrepresented over the years, it’s a long story. Anyway, this is your room! The minibar is of course free, as is the room service, there’s extra towels next to the spa tub, and if you need anything, just call reception. But enough of this! It’s a beautiful day, and if you’d care to look outside …”
Slightly stunned by the opulent surroundings, the man wanders over to the floor-to-ceiling windows through which the sun is glowing, looks far down, and sees a group of people cheering and waving at him from a golf course.
‟It’s one of five pro-level courses on-site, and there’s another six just a few minutes drive out past the beach and harbour!” says Satan, answering his unasked question.
They head down in the lift, walk out through the glittering lobby where everyone waves and welcomes the man, as Satan signs autographs and cheerily talks shop with the laughing staff. As he walks out, he sees the group on the golf course are made up of every one of his old friends, people he’s admired for years but never met or worked with, and people whose work he’s admired but died long before his career started.

Out of the middle of this group walks his wife, with a massive smile and the body she had when she was 20, who throws her arms around him and plants a delicate kiss on his cheek.
Everyone cheers and applauds, and as they slap him on the back and trade jokes, his worst enemy arrives, as a 2-foot tall goblin-esque caddy. He spends the day in the bright sunshine on the course, having the time of his life.
Later, they return to the hotel for dinner and have an enormous meal, perfectly cooked, which descends into a food fight when someone accidentally throws a bread roll at the next table. As everyone is falling about laughing and flinging breadsticks at each other, his wife whispers in his ear … And they return to their penthouse suite. After several hours of intense passion, the man falls into a deep and happy sleep.
He is woken up by St Peter.

‟So, that was Hell. Wasn’t what you were expecting, I bet?”

‟No sir!” says the man.

‟So then,” says St Peter, ‟you can make your choice. It’s Hell, which you saw, or Heaven, which has choral singing, talking to God, white robes, and so on.”

‟Well, I know this sounds strange, but on balance, I think I would prefer Hell,” says the politician.

‟Not a problem, we totally understand! Enjoy!” St Peter clicks his fingers again.

The man wakes up in total darkness, the stench of ammonia filling the air and distant screams the only noise. As he adjusts, he can see the only light is from belches of flame far away, illuminating the ragged remains of people being tortured or burning in a sulphurous ocean. A sudden bolt of lightning reveals Satan next to him, wearing the same suit as before and grinning, holding a soldering iron in one hand and a coil of razor-wire in the other.

‟What’s this?” the politician cries. ‟Where’s the hotel? Where’s my wife? Where’s the minibar, the golf-courses, the pool, the restaurant, the free drinks and the sunshine?”

‟Ah,” says Satan. ‟You see, yesterday, we were campaigning. But today, you voted.”

What in the world did you just say

English man, ENGLISH!!

 

[Marymog]

Luke 22:3 - The Plot to Kill Jesus

Then Satan entered Judas Iscariot, who was one of the Twelve.

biblehub.com

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Hey Bfife,

Gabrial Arch said that since Judas was possessed by Satan, he did not sin!

@Mink57 and I are just trying to get clarification on the "did not sin" part! We have never heard that theory before.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

Can you find the passage that tells you Satan entered Judas?

When Satan acts out in the body of a man,is the man responsible for the Satan's acts?

Ah Gabriel......I see what you are saying.

Since Satan entered Judas and made him turn in Jesus for money, it wasn't Judas's fault. Judas would not have done that IF Satan was not in him!

That kind of makes sense. Judas didn't invite Satan (sin) into his life. Satan just jumped right in and took over.

I must ponder this more....thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Mary

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

Hmmmmm...so let me see if I have your theory correct LAMB.

A gay person cannot be a true believer in Christ.
So when a gay person is introduced to Christ, they can believe in Him, their belief just isn't a true belief. It's a false belief.

Is that your theory?

Mary

Theory?

Did God condone homosexuality?

 

[Marymog]

Can you find the passage that tells you Satan entered Judas?

When Satan acts out in the body of a man,is the man responsible for the Satan's acts?

I have pondered this for a bit of time Gabriel and have come to this conclusion.

I think what Scripture is saying is that Judas decided to betray Jesus for money by turning him over to the Chief Priests! The words Luke used "Satan entered into Judas" are the same as saying "Sin entered into Judas". Or Judas decided to betray Jesus for money and that was a sin.

Also, I guess, one could say that Judas WAS possessed by Satan for that brief period of time and he didn't have free will. Someone had to betray Jesus and Judas was....for a lack of better words....forced to do it.

Mary