gay christians?

[Taken]

It never ceases to amaze me what people come up with when they go beyond Scripture, thinking themselves so wise.

Much love!

Mary is not the highlight of Scripture.

* Adam, Moses, David, Abraham, Jacob, Mary, John, Saul/Paul, and others specifically Named, were:
* each Called,
*. each Agreed,
*. each Appointed,
*. each Participated in Fulfilling a specific task unto the Glory of God……
* and by all accounts are to be “remembered” for having accomplish-ED their “tasks”.

While “their” names appear IN Scripture…
For “ANY” person (male, female, young, old, Jew, Gentile)…
WHO IS LISTENING…
God shall Call, He shall listen for your Agreement, He shall Appoint unto you, a specific task….and ONCE accomplish-ED….He shall Remember, and He shall Record “YOUR” Name in HIS BOOK, and He Reward your efforts.

And any man who IS READING, IS LISTENING TO Scripture….the Lord God Almighty “IS” the Highlight!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Tulipbee]

Since all sins are already forgiven past present and future, why do so many Christians say people that are gay cannot be saved?

I went to school with a few people that were gay and they said they were Christians.

The idea that people who are gay cannot be saved is not a universally held belief among Christians or within Calvinism. Views on homosexuality can vary widely among Christians, and some denominations and individuals fully affirm LGBTQ+ individuals and their place within the Christian community.

If you encounter Christians who assert that being gay is incompatible with being saved, it is likely based on their interpretation of specific Bible passages. However, interpretations of such passages vary, and many Christians and denominations take more affirming stances, arguing for inclusivity and love regardless of sexual orientation.

 

[Philip James]

on. If you suppose that membership in your institution is the same as whether the Spirit lives me or not,

And now whos making logical fallacies.

To say that to be baptised into my community is to assuredly receive the Spirit of Christ does not mean that those baptised elsewhere cannot be. indeed my 'institution' recognizes all proper Christian baptisms as valid and rightly calls all those born into the Kingdom of God, brothers and sisters.

Merry Christmas!

 

[Taken]

How exactly does the recorded conversation taking place within a given realm give permission to communcate between realms when this is forbidden?

Apples . . . Oranges.

Much love!

The WHY it IS forbidden, IS expressly BECAUSE, (as if forgotten)……
Very Powerful Fallen Angels ROAM the Earth, LOOKING FOR the much weaker and easily fooled Human men, willing TO CALL OUT to the DEAD, as Such Human men, Having become saddened, enticed, tempted, curious, wondering …. CAN mediums, psychic’s, clergy…..HUMAN Men, really call on the DEAD, talk to the DEAD? No.
But they can conjure EVIL fallen angels, who absolutely have the Power to appear in the LIKENESS and VOICE as whatever they choose.

It’s a slippery slope….and without ever being told to do such things, by, through, of the Word of God.

 

[Taken]

Then you must ignore Luke 16.

No, that is not true.

Luke 16 records disembodied souls speaking to disembodied souls.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

The Traditional source for the Church's OT is the Septuagint

Yes,I know.

The two are synonomous, for to be Christian is to be one with Christ, and Christ and His Church are one..

You too! Gabriel, are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God

No, when a tradition teaches works and faith save, I would be leaving the true church in Christ to enter a false one.

haha, garbage.

No.

 

[marks]

And now whos making logical fallacies.

To say that to be baptised into my community is to assuredly receive the Spirit of Christ does not mean that those baptised elsewhere cannot be. indeed my 'institution' recognizes all proper Christian baptisms as valid and rightly calls all those born into the Kingdom of God, brothers and sisters.

Merry Christmas!

You quote a snippet of my post and declare it a fallacy.

What is the name of the fallacy I used, and in what wording is it contained? Do for me as I did for you. I showed in specific detail, not just making a broad statement without support.

Actually, it's the indwelling Holy Spirit Who gives us unity, not our association with this or that institution. If you suppose that membership in your institution is the same as whether the Spirit lives me or not, well, that's not the right way to understand what God is doing in man as He saves us. It's not about, "I'm of Paul", "I'm of Apollos", "I'm of this or that pope . . ."

What is the fallacy here? Seriously! If I'm using poor reasoning I want to know it.

Much love!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Baloney.

Then, PROVE it.
Or, is "balobey" the moste intelligent thinbg you could think of?

 

[BreadOfLife]

You may find the following of interest as to the RCC ever changing doctrine in 2000 years.

Which Roman Catholic Church are we referring to? In which century, and with what new invention. The list starts on page 3: https://www.tlchrist.info/keithgreen/boettner_romancatholocism.pdf

I have done research on some of these inventions in other reference works and found this to be accurate, as far as I checked.

SOME ROMAN CATHOLIC HERESIES AND INVENTIONS
and the dates of their adoption over a period of 1,650 years
1. Prayers for the dead: began about A.D. 300.
2. Making the sign of the cross: A.D. 300.
3. Wax candles: about A.D. 320.
4. Veneration of angels and dead saints, and use of images: A.D. 375.
5. The Mass, as a daily celebration: A.D. 394.
6. Beginning of the exaltation of Mary, the term “Mother of God” first applied to her by
the Council of Ephesus: A.D. 431.
7. Priests began to dress differently from laymen: A.D. 500.
8. Extreme Unction: A.D. 526.
9. The doctrine of Purgatory, established by Gregory I: A.D. 593.
10. Latin language, used in prayer and worship, imposed by Gregory I: A.D. 600.
11. Prayers directed to Mary, dead saints, and angels: about A.D. 600.
12. Title of pope, or universal bishop, given to Boniface III by emperor Phocas: A.D. 607
13. Kissing the pope’s foot, began with Pope Constantine: A.D. 709.
14. Temporal power of the popes, conferred by Pepin, king of the Franks: A.D. 750.
15. Worship of the cross, images, and relics: authorized in A.D. 786.
16. Holy water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by a priest: A.D. 850.
17. Worship of St. Joseph: A.D. 890.
18. College of Cardinals established: A.D. 927.
19. Baptism of bells, instituted by pope John XIII: A.D. 965.
20. Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV: A.D. 995.
21. Fasting on Fridays and during Lent: A.D. 998.
22. The Mass, developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory in the 11
th
century.
23. Celibacy of the priesthood, decreed by pope Gregory VII (Hildebrand): A.D. 1079.
24. The Rosary, mechanical praying with beads, invented by Peter the Hermit: A.D. 1090.
25. The Inquisition, instituted by the Council of Verona: A.D. 1184.
26. Sale of Indulgences: A.D. 1190.
27. Transubstantiation, proclaimed by Pope Innocent III: A.D. 1215.
28. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest instead of to God, instituted by Pope Innocent
III, in Lateran Council: A.D. 1215.
29. Adoration of the wafer (Host), decreed by Pope Honorius III: A.D. 1220.
30. Bible forbidden to laymen, placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Council of
Toulouse: A.D. 1229.
31. The Scapular, invented by Simon Stock, an English monk: A.D. 1251.
32. Cup forbidden to the people at communion by Council of Constance: A.D. 1414.
33. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence: A.D. 1439.
34. The doctrine of Seven Sacraments affirmed: A.D. 1439.
35. The Ave Maria (part of the last half was completed 50 years later and approved by
Pope Sixtus V at the end of the 16
th
century): A.D. 1508.
36. Jesuit order founded by Loyola: A.D. 1534.
37. Tradition declared of equal authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent: A.D.
1545.
38. Apocryphal books added to the Bible by the Council of Trent: A.D. 1546.
39. Creed of pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed: A.D. 1560.
40. Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary, proclaimed by Pope Pius IX: A.D. 1854.
41. Syllabus of Errors, proclaimed by Pope Pius IX and ratified by the Vatican Council;
condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press, and scientific discoveries
which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the pope’s temporal authority over
all civil rulers: A.D. 1864.
42. Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican
Council: A.D. 1870.
43. Public Schools condemned by Pope Pius XI: A.D. 1930.
44. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death),
proclaimed by Pope Pius XII: A.D. 1950.
45. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church by Pope Paul VI: A.D. 1965.
Add to these many others: monks, nuns, monasteries, convents, forty days Lent, holy
week, Palm Sunday, Ash Wednesday, All Saints day, Candlemas day, fish day, meat
days, incense, holy oil, holy palms, Christopher medals, charms, novenas, and still others.

Oh, good grief -
I see you've been wasting time r4ading Loraine Boettner's HEAVILY-DRBUNKED work, "Roman Catholicicm".

Not ONLY is this manure erroneous and out of context - it doesn't show a SINGLE doctrine being "changed".

EPIC FAIL on your part . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Einstein? Why thank you for that compliment.
How? Oh,that's easy.

Two different browsers. One ,like Opera,which I use, that has a built in VPN so it masks the computer IP. I also use that VPN on Opera.

And another VPN downloaded to the other browser. The downloaded VPN kicking on before engaging the Opera browser with the built in VPN .

OR, One account uses a PC.
While the other account uses a smart phone, sitting right there at the PC keyboard.

See, what gives it away, and just in case no one has told you this before, after I first made the observation of dual Troll accounts, besides the obvious three word screen name attached to each account,all related to Christ. "Mary Mother of God" (mother of Jesus the...) Bread of Life, is that right after that observation of dual Troll accounts, MoG started to post to me here only after BarneyF. claimed those dual accounts were actually two distinct and separate personalities.

And as MoG did that they seemed cordial,polite,respectful.

Then, they went back and replied to my post about those dual accounts. That post was made prior to MoG being polite in a few posts to me.
Then they found that one.And they went off! Speak ENGLISH MAN!

And low and behold, the nice,polite,cordial,respectful facade vanished. Because faking an attitude one does not actually possess drains. And sure enough MoG started posting to me in the same juvenile attack language as you are known for.

It's a shame you don't understand sarcasm.

At least everyone else got a good chuckole . . .

No,you hate Protestants.

Calling people liars when they know more about Catholicism than you do,thinking personal attack pejoratives will distract us from noticing that,is a transparent juvenile tactic born of corrupt fallen Troll minds that actually do not ascribe to any faith. Especially Catholic.

If they did,they'd spend hours in the confessional repenting for every word of every Troll post they made to Christians in their own community.
Actual Catholics don't repeat the same offense they'd need repent of,over and over again.

Einstein,signing off.

I can guarantee you TWO things:

a. I don’t “hate” Protestants. If I did – I would have to hate 9 of my 12 siblings.

b. There isn’t a SINGLE non-Catholic on this forum who knows the Catholic faith more than myself and several other Catholics here.

 

[Philip James]

What is the name of the fallacy I used, and in what wording is it contained? Do for me as I did for you. I showed in specific detail, not just making a broad statement without support.

I dont know or care what the 'name' of it is... you said this:

"If you suppose that membership in your institution is the same as whether the Spirit lives me or not"

I have neither supposed or suggested such a thing... now stop playing games..

is it right to gather as a community to offer thanksgiving and praise to our God? (rephrase the question if its not to your liking...)

 

[BreadOfLife]

Disagree ALL individuals Think, Believe, Do the same, regardless of their declared or implied membership of ANY organization.



Saints “IN” Heaven “ARE” disembodied saved living souls, “AND” disembodied quickened living spirits.
*Their physical DEAD Bodies “HAVE or ARE” on Earth “returning” to Dust.

Saints “ON” Earth “ARE” embodied saved living souls, “AND” embodied quickened living spirits.
*Their physical LIVING Bodies “ARE” on Earth “waiting” for “physical” bodily Death.



No such crude language or understanding regarding the saints.
* Physically Dead Bodies DO NOT go to Heaven. They “return” to Dust of the Earth.
* All Living souls “Depart” out of physically Dying Bodies.
~Departed saved souls Go to Heaven, to await Judgement.
~Departed unsaved souls Go to Hell, to await Judgement.
* Quickened spirits Go to Heaven, to await Judgement.
* Non-quickened “natural spirit of man” dies with his physical body.

Here Forward is NOT TO you or FOR you, as Your short attention span, and deflective responses has been repeatedly revealed.

- ManKIND was “Created and Made” IN the LIKENESS of Gods ETERNAL Self…that which God called…VERY GOOD.
A Body…it’s LIFE
A Soul….it’s LIFE
A Spirit…it’s LIFE

KNOWLEDGE - Is the Revealing, that which God “Created and Made”…ie manKIND…
“Collectively”….stumbled, fell “from” Gods “creation and making” of ManKIND…that God called “VERY GOOD”.

KNOWLEDGE - is the Revealing, that “Individual” manKIND ALL which DID fall “FROM” VERY GOOD…
INDIVIDUALLY….Could, Can, Hear, Learn, “Gods Offering” of “HOW TO” (according to Gods “WAY”), Become <—> Reconciled, Adjoined, WITH God, Once and Forever.

KNOWLEDGE - is the Revealing EVERY “individual” has an “INTERIM” period of time, Between; Hearing, Wondering, Doubting, Believing, Accepting, Denying, Rejecting;
And they TO LAND on Belief or Doubt or Denial or Rejection, ON ANY SUBJECT, [/U}as they “Individually” DECIDE/ freely choose.

KNOWLEDGE - is Revealed EVERY “individual” (regardless of the Subject)…
Wonders, Wavers between Belief and Doubt, Accepting and Rejection…During their time of Learning.

KNOWLEDGE-is Revealed “NOT” Every Individual, (regardless of subject, regardless of Gender, Race, Age, Geographical Location or Era in history) hears, learns, is wondering, accepting, rejecting the exact same Knowledge, at the exact same Time.

Some Human “CREATED” and “MADE” man-KIND of beings…Understand the step by step Knowledge of the WHOLENESS:
(Body of man, it’s LIFE
Soul of man, it’s LIFE
Spirit of man, it’s LIFE)
of a “created and made” man-KIND of being….nor understand ManKINDS fall in Corruption…nor understand Gods Offering of a NEW MAKING via His Power….
many man-KIND of beings…..Do NOT, Have NOT, come into that “Understanding”.
* Many HAVE NOT.
And IF that is the case upon their bodily Death, they WILL NOT be saved.
Called…Divided FROM God.
Consequence of Judgement, Tribulation, Wrath of the Lamb, Wrath of God, Separated from God.
* Some HAVE, yet still WAVER in doubt.
And IF they continue believing to the day of their bodily Death, they WILL be saved.
Called…WITH God, God WITH them.
Consequence of Judgement, suffer tribulation, Lambs Wrath, Devils Wrath, UNTIL “testifying” of their Belief.
* FEW HAVE and HAVE Assuredly Testified their unwavering Belief.
And regardless of the Day of their bodily Death, they ARE saved.
Called…WITH-IN God, God WITH-IN them.
Called…not subject to; Wrath.

Nobody on this form – and I mean NOBODY vomits out as many words without actually saying ANYTHIING more than YOU do.

You STILL haven’t answered my question:
When were Mary and the saints in Heaven kicked OUT of the Body of Christ?
WHERE does the Bible say that you can’t ask them to pray for you.

Keep your answer concise . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Einstein? Why thank you for that compliment.
How? Oh,that's easy.

Two different browsers. One ,like Opera,which I use, that has a built in VPN so it masks the computer IP. I also use that VPN on Opera.

And another VPN downloaded to the other browser. The downloaded VPN kicking on before engaging the Opera browser with the built in VPN .

OR, One account uses a PC.
While the other account uses a smart phone, sitting right there at the PC keyboard.

Ummmm – I know that this forum is ALL you have.
However, I actually have a life outside of this place with a family, friends and a job.

Try to take a break once in a while and get a life, sparky . . .

 

[marks]

I dont know or care what the 'name' of it is... you said this:

"If you suppose that membership in your institution is the same as whether the Spirit lives me or not"

I have neither supposed or suggested such a thing... now stop playing games..

is it right to gather as a community to offer thanksgiving and praise to our God? (rephrase the question if its not to your liking...)

The Holy Spirit gives us unity, not association with an institution, and that is not a fallacy.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Ummmm – I know that this forum is ALL you have.
However, I actually have a life outside of this place with a family, friends and a job.

Try to take a break once in a while and get a life, sparky . . .

Sparky?

Not trying to be insulting, are we? Great testimony there!

Much love!

 

[L.A.M.B.]

The claimants are nothing more than that. Claimants under a delusion !

To actually be a joint- heir with Jesus, live in the vine which is Jesus, be a part of his body,
( of which he is the head ), be a part of his bride and his CHURCH one must follow ONLY the INSTITUTES OF GOD/ JESUS per HIS WORD !

 

[marks]

To actually be a joint- heir with Jesus, live in the vine which is Jesus, be a part of his body,

I think the idea is that we become no longer the jerks we were, and actually begin to love others.

Much love!

 

[Marymog]

This entirely avoided answering this direct question.

In fact the Bible prohibits attempting to communicate with those who have passed from this world to the next.

Much love!

Not FACT Marks.

What Deuteronomy and Isaiah prohibit is conjuring up the dead through wizards and mediums

 

[marks]

Maybe the interlinear . . .

Much love!

 

[Mr E]

Then, PROVE it.
Or, is "balobey" the moste intelligent thinbg you could think of?

Calm down. Type more slowly. Don’t let your emotions run away with your soul.

Baloney is sufficient. Why waste words when one will do?

If I danced for a blind man, would he even appreciate it?