What are the main doctrinal differences between Jehovah's Witnesses and mainstream Christianity?

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Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Those of us who reject the trinity do not reject or deny the Father or the son...we simply believe what the Bible teaches about their relationship. It is they who call themselves ”Father” and “son”....and for humans, we understand this relationship because God created it.....do you think he will distort our understanding of this relationship in order to teach something his word never directly says? Show us please one single direct statement from either Yahweh or his son, that they are both equally “God” with the holy spirit....I’ll wait.

Could it be that denying the the son could be denying his role in God’s purpose? Could it be by altering the stated relationship of Father and son, and fusing the two into one entity and adding another (who is not spoken of with these two in almost all mention of the Father and son together e.g. John 17:3)....could you be guilty yourself of following a doctrine that is designed by satan to separate those who accept what the Bible teaches, from those who accept the doctrines of men? (Matt 15:7-9) He’s done it before with great success....
 

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A very important difference between the Watchtower Society's version of
Christianity and mainstream's is that their Jesus' crucified dead body was
never restored to life, i.e. his body still dead, and its remains squirreled
away somewhere on earth in a condition and a location known only to God.

"If Jesus were to take his body of flesh, blood, and bones to heaven and
enjoy them there, what would this mean? It would mean that there would be
no resurrection of the dead for anybody. Why not? Because Jesus would be
taking his sacrifice off God's altar.
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(Watchtower magazine, April 15, 1963, p.237)
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What? Jesus was resurrected to spirit life after He died(1 Peter 3:18), never again will He be a human.

So if I understand you correctly, you are arguing apples to oranges, it’s a non-sequitur.


And if they [JW’s] really believe that they are going to reign on earth…
We don’tnone of us believe or teach that.
It’s nonsense.

So what do you think that reveals to others about your argument?
 
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Those of us who reject the trinity do not reject or deny the Father or the son...we simply believe what the Bible teaches about their relationship. It is they who call themselves ”Father” and “son”....and for humans, we understand this relationship because God created it.....do you think he will distort our understanding of this relationship in order to teach something his word never directly says? Show us please one single direct statement from either Yahweh or his son, that they are both equally “God” with the holy spirit....I’ll wait.

Could it be that denying the the son could be denying his role in God’s purpose? Could it be by altering the stated relationship of Father and son, and fusing the two into one entity and adding another (who is not spoken of with these two in almost all mention of the Father and son together e.g. John 17:3)....could you be guilty yourself of following a doctrine that is designed by satan to separate those who accept what the Bible teaches, from those who accept the doctrines of men? (Matt 15:7-9) He’s done it before with great success....
As the Apostle John wrote = jws are antichrist as they deny the SON

Quite ironic as RCC is antichrist as well and are together with jws who cannot SEE for they are void of the Holy Spirit.

Here is just one way out of many where you deny the SON = Revelation ch1

John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:

Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.

To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
 
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In your view, why is the RCC antichrist?
They believe as you, that the Son is God too.

What sets you apart?
Background Check = i was conceived and raised by RCC parents as well as educated in RCC schools with full observances of RCC practices, ordinations and confirmations.

When i was 23 the LORD called me out of the bondage/darkness of religion so that i could be SAVED by faith in His Word.

Are some catholics Saved? YES, but most are not.
Are some jws Saved? YES, but most are not.
Are some protestants Saved? YES, but many are not and depending on the particular church = most are not!

@TheHC asks me: What sets me apart?

Answer = The SAME Covenant that brings together as one, both Jew & Gentile, by which we have been rescued from the world/sin/religion and brought into Salvation = Faith in the WORD that was God in the Beginning

1 Peter 1:22-23
Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible,
through the word of God which lives and abides forever, because

“All flesh is as grass,
And all the glory of man as the flower of the grass.
The grass withers,
And its flower falls away,
But the word of the Lord endures forever.”
Now this is the word which by the gospel was preached to you.
 

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Background Check = i was conceived and raised by RCC parents as well as educated in RCC schools with full observances of RCC practices, ordinations and confirmations.

When i was 23 the LORD called me out of the bondage/darkness of religion so that i could be SAVED by faith in His Word.

Are some catholics Saved? YES, but most are not.
Are some jws Saved? YES, but most are not.
Are some protestants Saved? YES, but many are not and depending on the particular church = most are not!

@TheHC asks me: What sets me apart?

Answer = The SAME Covenant that brings together as one, both Jew & Gentile, by which we have been rescued from the world/sin/religion and brought into Salvation = Faith in the WORD that was God in the Beginning

1 Peter 1:22-23
Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible,
through the word of God which lives and abides forever, because

“All flesh is as grass,
And all the glory of man as the flower of the grass.
The grass withers,
And its flower falls away,
But the word of the Lord endures forever.”
Now this is the word which by the gospel was preached to you.
Well, I appreciate your cordial reply …. but I don’t think you answered my question, about the Roman Catholic Church. They believe, as you, that Jesus is God.

And that’s your definition for the antichrist: denying Jesus is God.
But they don’t deny the concept.

So how are they still the Antichrist?

(If you answered that, could you show me? I somehow missed it; I apologize.)
 

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As the Apostle John wrote = jws are antichrist as they deny the SON
John wrote that about JW’s huh? How amazing!…since we do not “deny the son” at all…his sacrific is the only means of salvation to those who put faith in him….we accept that fully…….but denying that he is God incarnate, well that is an entirely different matter…..because there is not a single scripture where Jesus says that he is God incarnate…..you would have provided one if such existed but since none can, there can only be one conclusion…..you are all mistaken and taken in by an apostate church who formulated a doctrine borrowed from pagan notions and grafted into ambiguous verses to imply what the Bible does not teach.
Quite ironic as RCC is antichrist as well and are together with jws who cannot SEE for they are void of the Holy Spirit.
The holy spirit is very evident in our brotherhood….and we have in our ranks those who are just as sure as you are, that they are going to heaven…..you really have no idea about anything to do with us, you just believe what is told to you……why? Because you want to. If we went back and asked the Jews who rejected Jesus, why they did that? What do you think their answer would be? They were so confident of their position on that that they cursed themselves and their children with Christ’s blood…..(Matt 27:25)

Here is just one way out of many where you deny the SON = Revelation ch1
Lets take this one apart and see who has a problem here?
John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:

Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.”
So “Grace and peace to Him who was and who is and who is to come….AND FROM JESUS CHRIST, THE FAITHFUL WITNESS, and ruler over the kings of the earth.”

Who is mentioned in the first instance there? It’s not Jesus, but the one of whom Jesus bore witness….his God and Father.….the one “who is, who was, and is to come”….meaning that he is “from everlasting to everlasting”. So the narrative contains reference to both Yahweh and his son.
To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
So, in speaking of the elect, Jesus has made them “kings and priests TO HIS GOD AND FATHER”….
So Jesus has a God who is also his Father…so how is he God?
Even in heaven the Father is the God of Jesus. (Rev 3:12) Does God worship himself?
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
If there are clouds visible in the USA, could I see them from Australia? What “clouds” are these that can be seen by the whole world all at once?
How will “every eye see him” if he is in one location…..live stream via the internet?
What about those “who pierced him”? Are they still alive? This is an earthly scene being described here.
And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of him….who are these tribes?
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Concerning the title “the Alpha and the Omega” we see it mentioned again in Rev 21:6….but in the following verse, the One who applies this title to himself says: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.”

Jesus Christ is never spoken about as having “sons”; he speaks of himself as a “brother” of these conquerors….so it is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ who is referring to himself as “the Alpha and the Omega” here.
Alpha and omega as you are probably aware, are the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet, (the language used to write the NT, which includes the book of Revelation). The respective positions of these letters in the Greek alphabet are used to illustrate that Yahweh alone is “the beginning and the end” of everything. He was Almighty God in the infinite past, and he will continue to be Almighty God forever. He is the only one who is “from everlasting to everlasting.” (Psalm 90:2)

So unless you can do better scriptural gymnastics to uphold your belief, it is not scripturally valid IMV.

To “deny the son“ can also mean denying that he is “the son of God,” which is what he called himself. To call the son “Almighty God” is actually blasphemy and a breach of the First Commandment!
Jesus never once said he was God…the church did….the apostate RCC is the inventor of this doctrine that you all seem to want to hang onto for dear life….have you ever asked why it isn’t found anywhere in Christ’s teachings? Who told you it was true? And why do you believe them?
 
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Well, I appreciate your cordial reply …. but I don’t think you answered my question, about the Roman Catholic Church. They believe, as you, that Jesus is God.

And that’s your definition for the antichrist: denying Jesus is God.
But they don’t deny the concept.

So how are they still the Antichrist?

(If you answered that, could you show me? I somehow missed it; I apologize.)
They deny the Holy Scriptures and in so doing they deny Christ and pervert the Truth in their practices.

the Pope and the Vatican itself is antichrist
Each week the perform the 'sacrifice of the Mass' which is in denial of the Scriptures.
They deny Christ with the worship of Mary which is goddess worship.
They deny Christ/Faith by repetitious praying = rosary beads
and many such things they do that are contrary to Faith in the WORD
 

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They deny the Holy Scriptures and in so doing they deny Christ and pervert the Truth in their practices.

the Pope and the Vatican itself is antichrist
Each week the perform the 'sacrifice of the Mass' which is in denial of the Scriptures.
They deny Christ with the worship of Mary which is goddess worship.
They deny Christ/Faith by repetitious praying = rosary beads
and many such things they do that are contrary to Faith in the WORD
Since JW’s believe and practice none of those things, please tell us how we deny Christ?
Jesus is called “The Amen” because, all of God’s promises are fulfilled in him. (2 Cor 1:20)

Jesus was, is, and always will be “God’s holy servant”. (Acts 4:27-30) Please tell us how God can be his own “servant”?
 
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Since JW’s believe and practice none of those things, please tell us how we deny Christ?
Jesus is called “The Amen” because, all of God’s promises are fulfilled in him. (2 Cor 1:20)

Jesus was, is, and always will be “God’s holy servant”. (Acts 4:27-30) Please tell us how God can be his own “servant”?
God absolutely can be His Own Servant and HE even declared that HE would.

Do you know where in Scripture???
 

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Please tell us…..and while you are there can you tell us how he can be his own High Priest as well?
The LORD does not need a High Priest for Himself.
HE is the Eternal High Priest of the New Covenant.

Established by Him, for His Glory and for our Salvation.
 
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The LORD does not need a High Priest for Himself.
HE is the Eternal High Priest of the New Covenant.

Established by Him, for His Glory and for our Salvation.
Still waiting for specific declarations from Yahweh and his son confirming that they are equal parts of one “godhead”…..

….and you were going to provide scripture confirming where God said he could be his own servant…..when you’re ready…..I’m sure your fan club anxiously awaits your confirmation…..
 

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According to official Watchtower Society doctrine, the Word's human
existence per John 1:14 no longer exists. The reason for that is because the
Word's original life force was an angel's life force to begin with.

"He had to become a perfect man and yet not lose his continuity of life. His
life force was not to be extinguished but would be transferred to the ovum of
the virgin girl, Mary.
"
(Watchtower magazine, Feb 02, 1982, p.7)

"The transferral of the life of his firstborn Son from the spirit realm to earth.
Only in this way could the child eventually born have retained identity as the
same person who had resided in heaven as the Word.
"
(Aid to Bible Understanding,
1971, p.920)


In a nutshell: the Watchtower Society refuses to believe it is possible for
someone to exist as a material being and a spirit being simultaneously, i.e.
it's one or the other, but not both. So in order for the Society's version of
the Word to regain his life force, it was essential that his material existence
be terminated and remain deceased.

Ergo: in Society doctrine, the resurrection that many of us have been led to
believe was a man's recovery was actually an angel's, whom JWs have been
led to believe is a high-level celestial being named Michael.
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Concerning this specific reply….

“The LORD does not need a High Priest for Himself.
HE is the Eternal High Priest of the New Covenant.”

Where in all of scripture is a High Priest NOT representing his God and leading the people in worship to the only God Israel ever knew….the “one God” Jesus came to represent….Yahweh? (Deut 6:4)

Tell us where it says that Jesus is High Priest representing himself or that the High Priest in Israel could ever be the God who led the people in his worship?
Why was there a priesthood in Israel in the first place?
And why was a “High Priest” appointed in that role…..?
 
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Still waiting for specific declarations from Yahweh and his son confirming that they are equal parts of one “godhead”…..

….and you were going to provide scripture confirming where God said he could be his own servant…..when you’re ready…..I’m sure your fan club anxiously awaits your confirmation…..
Hockey game on now = see ya later
 

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Still waiting for specific declarations from Yahweh and his son confirming that they are equal parts of one “godhead”…..

….and you were going to provide scripture confirming where God said he could be his own servant…..when you’re ready…..I’m sure your fan club anxiously awaits your confirmation…..
God declares Himself as His Own Servant = Ezekiel 22:30 , Isaiah 63:5 , Isaiah 59:

Ezekiel 22:30
"So I sought for a man among them who would make a wall, and stand in the gap before Me on behalf of the land, that I should not destroy it;
but I found no one."

Isaiah 63:5
I looked, but there was no one to help,
And I wondered
That there was no one to uphold;
Therefore My Own Arm brought Salvation for Me;


Isaiah 59: 15-16
Truth is lacking, and he who departs from evil makes himself a prey.

The Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no justice.

He saw that there was no man,

and wondered that there was no one to intercede;

then His Own Arm brought Him Salvation,

and His Righteousness upheld Him.
 
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God declares Himself as His Own Servant = Ezekiel 22:30 , Isaiah 63:5 , Isaiah 59:

Ezekiel 22:30
"So I sought for a man among them who would make a wall, and stand in the gap before Me on behalf of the land, that I should not destroy it; but I found no one."

Isaiah 63:5
I looked, but there was no one to help,
And I wondered
That there was no one to uphold;
Therefore My Own Arm brought Salvation for Me;


Isaiah 59: 15-16
Truth is lacking, and he who departs from evil makes himself a prey.

The Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no justice.

He saw that there was no man,

and wondered that there was no one to intercede;

then His Own Arm brought Him Salvation,

and his righteousness upheld him.
Oh dear.....scriptural gymnastics again....
Do you ever read the scripture you quote in context?

This is speaking of Yahweh and his own people had abandoned any way to please their God, so he wanted to punish them with a very severe punishment. In the days before the birth of the savior, Yahweh interceded for himself to give his wayward people their just desserts....as it says in verse 18...

“He will reward them for what they have done:
Wrath to his adversaries, retribution to his enemies.
And to the islands he will repay their due.”

Where is any of this stating that Yahweh can be his own servant?
How has God in times past delivered justice to his disobedient nation as well as to his enemies?
He used his angels as his servants....all of God’s “sons” are in his service.

This is nothing more than a desperate attempt to have the scriptures say what you want them to....a somewhat pathetic attempt, IMO.
 

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Oh dear.....scriptural gymnastics again....
Do you ever read the scripture you quote in context?

This is speaking of Yahweh and his own people had abandoned any way to please their God, so he wanted to punish them with a very severe punishment. In the days before the birth of the savior, Yahweh interceded for himself to give his wayward people their just desserts....as it says in verse 18...

“He will reward them for what they have done:
Wrath to his adversaries, retribution to his enemies.
And to the islands he will repay their due.”

Where is any of this stating that Yahweh can be his own servant?
How has God in times past delivered justice to his disobedient nation as well as to his enemies?
He used his angels as his servants....all of God’s “sons” are in his service.

This is nothing more than a desperate attempt to have the scriptures say what you want them to....a somewhat pathetic attempt, IMO.
Aunty says: "This is nothing more than a desperate attempt to have the scriptures say what you want them to....a somewhat pathetic attempt, IMO."

LOLx100 = thank you
 
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