Why do we need born again

[Ritajanice]

NO! ! ! ! Either show me from Scripture that what I have said is regeneration is not regeneration, or I am done.

There you go....I have shown you scripture.....

Of course regeneration is bringing our spirit Alive in Christ....it’s called being Born Again of imperishable seed?

Which means what?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Listen..did you read my post to you?

Respect my wishes and leave me alone...

You keep responding to me, yet you want me to leave you alone?

Yes I read your post. i always do.

Have you read my posts to you?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

CONTINUED:

*** The WARNINGS. are reminders to BELIEVERS who ARE NOT Converted, (by the Supreme POWER OF GOD)…“THERE ARE” unseen evil and seen wicked powers “greater than their power”, always on the prowl to convince them to REJECT the Lord God.

* the FACT IS:
No man CAN BECOME MADE WHOLE…
UNTIL a BODILY DEATH OCCURS.
(1 Cor 15:36)

For 4,000 years….it was necessary FOR the MAJORITY of HUMAN MEN BELIEVERS
To PHYSICALLY BODILY DIE, BEFORE …
Their soul could be saved and their spirit quickened (ie born again).


That STILL APPLIES, for Non-Converted men.
That (giving of one’s BODY unto DEATH) WILL be Prevalent, During the LAST Great Tribulation, effecting the Greatest Revival EVER, when MILLIONS of BELIEVERS SHALL WILLINGLY give their PHYSiCAL Body’s unto DEATH, for a token, a testament of their Belief IN the Lord God.

However, A NEW “Better Testament”,
(Heb 7:22) revealed and given men, by, through, of Gods OFFERING and Gods ADVOCATE…Christ the Lord Jesus…
IN that a man PROMISES, his body (it’s BLOOD LIFE) unto DEATH, to be given and received ONLY unto the Lord God.
BY, THROUGH, OF….that man being “Crucified WITH Christ”…

AND? thereafter that mans BODY “IS” accounted DEAD…
AND? That man thereafter Bodily (spiritualy). LIVES “IN” Christ Jesus’ “RISEN” Body…
UNTIL? The Day of. Judgement, WHEN that mans OWN body IS RISEN UP, in glory, sinless, perfect, holy…
AND? His own saved soul, and his own born again spirit, IS Returned to his own risen glorified body.

The WHOLE of a human man IS:
Body, soul, spirit….
The establishing of the Knowledge is elementary…taught IN the words of Scripture.
Who, what, when, why, where, how.
Bit by bit, little by little.

The Big Picture is to BE WITH God, to SEE God as He is … is to Be transformed BY a mans free Willingness….AND Gods Power for the man to Become MADE in God Likeness.

Some WILL, Many WILL NOT.

Every man’s TIME of natural (Blood) Life is LIMITED. It’s short. It is for the majority UNKNOWN, when the moment of their Bodily Blood Life SHALL Cease Living.

The FACT is “DEAD Bodys KNOW NOTHING”.
The FACT is “a human man WHILE ALIVE IN his flesh bodily life”…IS according to Gods Order and Way…the Precise TIME (and it is short!) for THAT man to Confess and DECLARE his TRUE Heartful Belief) and receive Salvation.

God IS the Creator AND Maker.
All of Gods CREATIONS ARE COMPLETE.
Gods “MAKINGS” of His CREATIONS Continues.

Any individual manKIND of being, who Heartfully Desires to BE WITH God Forever…
God Provides through Knowledge, His Order and His Way for Any individual manKIND of being, TO forever BE WITH God.

God IS JUST…those who heartfully DESIRE shall be WITH Him…those who heartfully DESIRE to be WITHOUT Him SHALL be without Him.
ALL SHALL receive their Heart’s Desire…
According to Gods Order and Way.
Not the popes, budah, governors of nations, celebrities, the wealthy, Oprah, the UN, blah, blah, blah OF the world.

And what about the man WHO, believes, but does not Confess his Belief….BUT YET is NOT (convinced by evil spirits, or convinced by wicked men) to Not Believe….and such man natural body DIES, “dying IN Belief, but NOT Converted”??

God is Just. God shall search their Heart for their true belief AND after their bodily Death, their soul will be saved, risen up to heaven, their spirit quickened, and risen up to heaven, and their dead body buried, returns to dust….and RAISED Up Glorified, during the FIRST MASS Resurrection, their soul and spirit returned to their glorified body and they WHOLLY and Forever with the Lord God on a new Earth.


Glory to God,
Taken

All of this in order to say

we m who were dead in tresspasses and sins, were made alive n the righteousness of Christ?

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes he did tell him how

John 3

King James Version

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3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I am not telling you to read the ward my way, I never have, I am asking you to read the word. Not just part of it.

You are wrong, you left out how we are Born Again like the wind..


Sorry...that is manmade doctrine, I will have no part of that...you have bypassed how we are Born Again, like Jesus explains to Nicodemus....

You have made Gods word your own....you have added to his word and bypassed how we are truly Born Again of imperishable seed.

 

[Ritajanice]

You keep responding to me, yet you want me to leave you alone?

Yes I read your post. i always do.

Have you read my posts to you?

You keep quoting me..I will respond, because your teaching is 100% on how we become Born Again is wrong..., You aren’t even explaining what imperishable seed means?

What does it mean?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

But I do. It is being dead in trespasses and sins per Ephesians 2:1. It is having sinned and not being forgiven of the sins by God.

This is partially true

If we were born alive, Then we would be left to our own free will. The first time we chose to sin, we would be dead, forever. Because their would have been no cross.

God put us in adam, so he could put us all under one group (guilty, dead,)

he did this so he could die for us all..

there are two states all mankind have the possibility of being in

In adam (death)

In christ (life)

1 cor 15: 22 makes it clear..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are wrong, you left out how we are Born Again like the wind..

Sorry...that is manmade doctrine, I will have no part of that...you have bypassed how we are Born Again, like Jesus explains to Nicodemus....

Nope

because born again like the wind is what. Not how

Nicodemus asked HOW. Jesus answered him

You refuse to look at it.. and are stuck on one verse.

Jesus said, we must be born again

He said what it is

Born of flesh and spirit. Born of water and spirit

He then says this

Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

This is what being born again

Nicodemus then asks.

HOW CAN THESE THINGS BE

Then jesus answered him HOW

 

[Ritajanice]

Nope

because born again like the wind is what. Not how

Nicodemus asked HOW. Jesus answered him

You refuse to look at it.. and are stuck on one verse.

Jesus said, we must be born again

He said what it is

Born of flesh and spirit. Born of water and spirit

He then says this

Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

This is what being born again

Nicodemus then asks.

HOW CAN THESE THINGS BE

Then jesus answered him HOW

Once again no explanation of being/Born Again of imperishable seed.?

I ask again...what does it mean?

I’m stuck on God’s word and certainly not yours....it doesn’t make sense..you imo confuse Gods word...

John 3​

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King James Version​

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3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You keep quoting me..I will respond, because your teaching is 100% on how we become Born Again is wrong..., You aren’t even explaining what imperishable seed means?

What does it mean?

Then expect me to respond back to you

I am not teaching anything about being born again, I am quoting what jesus said

The imperishable seed is the water that flows to eternal life as Jesus said in John 4 whcih he said we must ASK for

The imperishable seed is the food which endures forever in John 6, the bread from heaven, the flesh and blood of Christ. Which we must again, take, eat, and listen.

As jesus said, It is the words that give life, the words he speaks are spirit and life

As he said to the discipled. You are clean because of the word..

Paul says we have been cleansed by the washing of water by the word.

the seed is the Holy Spirit (living water)

the seed is the living words of God which will never pass away

the seed is the death and ressurection of our savior. As he said, it is finished.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Once again no explanation of being/Born Again of imperishable seed.?

I ask again...what does it mean?

John 3​

​

King James Version​

​

​

3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

I have said so many times I lost count. start where I posted about John 1, john 3, john 4, 5 and 6.

because the imperishable seed is in there

 

[Ritajanice]

I have said so many times I lost count. start where I posted about John 1, john 3, john 4, 5 and 6.

because the imperishable seed is in there

Please tell me what it means?

How did you become Alive in Christ?

The imperishable seed is in the Bible...are you being serious?

Did Mary receive God’s seed?

What does that mean that Mary received Gods seed @Eternally Grateful ?

Did you receive God’s seed? If you did..how did you receive it. @Eternally Grateful ?

 

[Ritajanice]

Then expect me to respond back to you

I am not teaching anything about being born again, I am quoting what jesus said

The imperishable seed is the water that flows to eternal life as Jesus said in John 4 whcih he said we must ASK for

The imperishable seed is the food which endures forever in John 6, the bread from heaven, the flesh and blood of Christ. Which we must again, take, eat, and listen.

The imperishable seed is the Holy Spirit @Eternally Grateful we are Born Again of Gods imperishable seed?

As jesus said, It is the words that give life, the words he speaks are spirit and life

As he said to the discipled. You are clean because of the word..

Paul says we have been cleansed by the washing of water by the word.

the seed is the Holy Spirit (living water)

the seed is the living words of God which will never pass away

the seed is the death and ressurection of our savior. As he said, it is finished.

The seed is what we receive when we Become Born Again of imperishable seed?

The seed is the Holy Spirit....we receive God given faith @Eternally Grateful a manifestation of the Holy Spirit....a very special gift.
Spirit gives birth to spirit.. @Eternally Grateful ?

What seed did Mary receive @Eternally Grateful ?....she received the seed of God....Son of God growing in her womb.....that was God’s seed that Mary received @Eternally Grateful ?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Please tell me what it means?

How did you become Alive in Christ?

The imperishable seed is in the Bible...are you being serious?

Did Mary receive God’s seed?

What does that mean that Mary received Gods seed @Eternally Grateful ?

Did you receive God’s seed? If you did..how did you receive it. @Eternally Grateful ?

How did I recieve it?

I recieved him, (John 1)

I asked for and recieved the imperishable seed (living water) John 4

I heard the word and believed (john 5)

i in faith, looked to the cross. As the people of Israel looked to the serpent and recieved the seed (eternal life)

I have come to believe that Jesus has the words of eternal life. And know he is the messiah who takes away the sin of the world. And in doing so. I recieved the seed, where I will never hunger, never thirst, I will live forever, I have passed from death to life, I will be raised, not delievered. And as long as CHrist (the seed0 is alive, I will be alive also John 6

how did mary get it. The same way abraham did. She believed God and God credited it to her as righteousness..

She had to be saved or born again just like we do

 

[Ritajanice]

How did I recieve it?

I recieved him, (John 1)

I asked for and recieved the imperishable seed (living water) John 4

I heard the word and believed (john 5)

i in faith, looked to the cross. As the people of Israel looked to the serpent and recieved the seed (eternal life)

I have come to believe that Jesus has the words of eternal life. And know he is the messiah who takes away the sin of the world. And in doing so. I recieved the seed, where I will never hunger, never thirst, I will live forever, I have passed from death to life, I will be raised, not delievered. And as long as CHrist (the seed0 is alive, I will be alive also John 6

how did mary get it. The same way abraham did. She believed God and God credited it to her as righteousness..

She had to be saved or born again just like we do

See my post above....hope that clears everything up....

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The imperishable seed is the Holy Spirit @Eternally Grateful we are Born Again of Gods imperishable seed?

[/QUOTE]
Thats funny, That is what I have said now at least twice, if not more.

The seed is what we receive when we Become Born Again of imperishable seed?

The seed is the Holy Spirit....we receive God given faith @Eternally Grateful a manifestation of the Holy Spirit....a very special gift.
Spirit gives birth to spirit.. @Eternally Grateful ?

What seed did Mary receive @Eternally Grateful ?....she received the seed of God....Son of God growing in her womb.....that was God’s seed that Mary received @Eternally Grateful ?

This is fatalism, and is not true. God can not make you alive while still dead in your sin. The sin issue must be resolved first.

God did not pick you out because you were special. While he refuses to allow many others to remain dead in their sin..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

See my post above....hope that clears everything up....

It does,

it shows me you have fallen for fatalism, or double predestination. Or calvanism, By which you were accused of early. And I stuck up for you which I now know was error on my part (see I am not perfect)

 

[Ritajanice]

This is fatalism, and is not true. God can not make you alive while still dead in your sin. The sin issue must be resolved first.

God did not pick you out because you were special. While he refuses to allow many others to remain dead in their sin..

You words once again full of confusion....not Gods word, just your opinion.

God chose me for his purpose and his plan....Biblical....he chose me to Glorify his name.....and I do!

The Holy Spirit Glorifies the Father through me....I am just a vessel that he uses...all for his purpose and plan.....and I’m only to willing to be obedient to the calling he has made on my life.

God is number one in my life...he comes before my family and they accept that....God Bless Brother..Love you very much, you are very special.

 

[Ritajanice]

It does,

it shows me you have fallen for fatalism, or double predestination. Or calvanism, By which you were accused of early. And I stuck up for you which I now know was error on my part (see I am not perfect)

Once again this is just your opinion and falls flat on its face, because it’s not the word of God.

Listen...it’s not about sticking up for each other,Brother.

It’s all about his word....I’m not interested in all the drama that goes on in here....and yes...I’m a hypocrite as I’ve been involved in all the drama and caused quite a bit myself..I thank God for the mods here, he chose them well, they have patience of Job imo....

I have no idea what fatalism is.

So very sorry I disagree..I post Gods word and will continue to do so...God Bless and have a nice day.

And you know how much I Love you, you are very special to me. @Eternally Grateful ..so you know,xx.

Sorry to those who think this kind of talk is gushing....LOL.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You words once again full of confusion....not Gods word, just your opinion.

God chose me for his purpose and his plan....Biblical....he chose me to Glorify his name.....and I do!

The Holy Spirit Glorifies the Father through me....I am just a vessel that he uses...all for his purpose and plan.....and I’m only to willing to be obedient to the calling he has made on my life.

God is number one in my life...he comes before my family and they accept that....God Bless Brother..Love you very much, you are very special.

Yep he did chose you

Whome he foreknew he did prestinate. To be conformed to his image.

What was the will of the father?

That everyone who SEEs and BELIEVES ..

here, jesus says it better

39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

No one will be in heaven unless they freely recieve the Lord

not one will go to hell, because they were not given the ability to believe, yet rejected in unbelief.

God does not look at ten people. And say I chose these 5. I will save them, these other 5. I do not chose. So they will go to hell..

 

[Ritajanice]

Yep he did chose you

Whome he foreknew he did prestinate. To be conformed to his image.

What was the sill of the father?

That everyone who SEEs and BELIEVES ..

here, jesus says it better

39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

No one will be in heaven unless they freely recieve the Lord

not one will go to hell, because they were not given the ability to believe, yet rejected in unbelief.

God does not look at ten people. And say I chose these 5. I will save them, these other 5. I do not chose. So they will go to hell..

God Bless You!!...and am glad we sorted this out in a pm...