Hellfire and brimstone has given way to eternal separation from God. - Why?

[Jack]

These will receive the exact same punishment as the Devil:

Matthew 25:41-46
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[amadeus]

Yes, I believe this is a good representation of the eternal fire.
Christ being there to guide the judgment, correction and restoration.

Here's another good example. The hot coal does not burn the prophet's lips.

Isaiah 6:5-7 KJV
Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone;
because I am a man of unclean lips,
and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips:
for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.
6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand,
which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:
7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips;
and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.

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Amen!

And also this:

Jas 3:5	Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
Jas 3:6	And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
Jas 3:7	For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
Jas 3:8	But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Jas 3:9	Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

 

[St. SteVen]

These will receive the exact same punishment as the Devil:

No one will escape the refiner's fire,

Mark 9:49
Everyone will be salted with fire.

Malachi 3:2
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?
For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

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[Jack]

No one will escape the refiner's fire,

Mark 9:49
Everyone will be salted with fire.

Malachi 3:2
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?
For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

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You missed this part:

'they will be tormented day and night forever and ever'.

 

[St. SteVen]

The God of love?

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[St. SteVen]

You missed this part:

'they will be tormented day and night forever and ever'.

How long is forever?

How long is forever and ever?

Oops. We seem to have a translation issue here. - lol

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[St. SteVen]

How long is forever?

How long is forever and ever?

Oops. We seem to have a translation issue here. - lol

Aha. Aionios! I knew it. (age of ages) = not forever

 

[St. SteVen]

Aha. Aionios! I knew it. (age of ages) = not forever

Check this out.

Aionios mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in Matthew 25:46.

All these verses below use the same NT Greek word, "aionios", the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in Matthew 25:46. See bold below. This shows that "aionios" cannot mean eternal or everlasting.

Matthew 13:22
The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful.

Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

1 Corinthians 1:20
Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1 Corinthians 2:8
None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Ephesians 2:2
in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

Galatians 1:4-5 KJV
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Luke 18:29-30
“Truly I tell you,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30 will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”

Compare: Matthew 12:32; Mark 10:30; Luke 18:30; Luke 20:35; Ephesians 1:21

Aionios, the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in the Bible (eternal hell?)

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[Jack]

How long is forever?

How long is forever and ever?

Oops. We seem to have a translation issue here. - lol

Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell.

 

[Jack]

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The God of love?

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Are you referring to God of the Bible who drowned all on Earth but 8, 'making them an example'?

Hebrews 10:31
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[St. SteVen]

Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell.

Everyone will be surprised by where they end up. - LOL

Matthew 21:31 NIV
... Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors
and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

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[St. SteVen]

Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell.

Heaven will be filled with people who don't believe in Heaven. - LOL
Is that how it works?

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[St. SteVen]

Are you referring to God of the Bible who drowned all on Earth but 8, 'making them an example'?

Is that the God of love?
Are you calling God a genocidal sadist?

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[Jack]

Belief in Hell is not required for residency therein. Christians don't think Hell is funny at all.

 

[Jack]

Everyone will be surprised by where they end up. - LOL

Matthew 21:31 NIV
... Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors
and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

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IOW, none of them will enter God's Kingdom, unless they get saved.

 

[Jack]

Heaven will be filled with people who don't believe in Heaven. - LOL
Is that how it works?

Mk 16 He that believeth not shall be DAMNED!

Lest we forget, "they will be tormented day and night FOREVER and EVER"!

 

[Jack]

Is that the God of love?
Are you calling God a genocidal sadist?

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No, but it sure sounds like YOU are.

2 Kings 17:25
They did not fear the Lord so He sent lions to kill them.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Can anyone show us where God ever required prolonged torture in any penalty that he imposed by law on Israel?

If God’s response to Israel’s excursion into child sacrifice to a false god (by throwing then into a fire), was complete revulsion, why then would he do such a thing to his own children after condemning Israel for the same practice?

Jeremiah 7:31…
”They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.’”

Those who serve a god who could violate his own standards of justice, do not serve the God of the Bible at all. How could a God of love do such a thing? How could anyone with God’s sense of justice condone it?

Death was the highest penalty for any crime under God’s law. No crime merited torture. It is ungodly.

There is no such place as “hell”……the idea as adopted by the RCC (from the pagans) to create fear and to keep the ignorant masses under control. Those still falling for it need to do some decent Bible study.

 

[Jack]

There is no such place as “hell”……the idea as adopted by the RCC (from the pagans) to create fear and to keep the ignorant masses under control. Those still falling for it need to do some decent Bible study.

Have you read your JW bible?

NWT Luke 16
“Also, the rich man died and was buried. And in the Grave he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and he saw Abraham from afar and Lazʹa·rus by his side. 24 So he called and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazʹa·rus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this blazing fire.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you had your fill of good things in your lifetime, but Lazʹa·rus for his part received bad things. Now, however, he is being comforted here, but you are in anguish.

 

[St. SteVen]

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Belief in Hell is not required for residency therein. Christians don't think Hell is funny at all.

If that's true, why did you choose that emoticon?

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