Is there a higher walk for believers in Christ?

[MA2444]

One time I had a phone call for someone needed me to come make thier furnace work. I said ok I'm otw. On the way over there I'm feeling that I want to do them a real good turn. So I prayed about it and the Lord says real fast to me, Don't charge them anything...

I'm not sure if I said it myself or the Lord just saw it on my heart? I was thinking, do a good job, give them a real nice discount, and make a few dollars. Everybody wins, right?
I heard it within me plain as day, Didn't you give your life to me? That belongs to me now and is my business....

It all belongs to Him now. What do you mean a 10% tithe? Huh, He owns it all. Not exactly what I was hoping to hear that day!

 

[Lizbeth]

always remember this simple truth .
Those who are OF GOD would hear us ,
those who are not of GOD do not hear us .
NEVER let them trick you into believing other religoins know GOD just cause they might do them some good works .
Ye hear me not , SAID JESUS to the UNBELIEVING IN JESUS CHRIST jews ,
YE hear me not FOR YE ARE NOT OF MY SHEEP .
HE who denies JESUS is the CHRIST
is anti christ . that dont sound LIKE THEY OF GOD OR EVEN KNOW GOD now do it .
Yet we got us a man on this site who be a teaching inclusivism
which says OTHERWISE to what JESUS and later the apostles taught about FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST .
I dont care if the man can speak parital truths , HE BE BANKRUPT of the truth
if hims thinks muslims and other religions can pick up their cross EVEN without havig to repent and believe on JESUS CHRIST .
You all better watch out . one who has long preached another gospel is at work as are many others .
What on earth does it matter , IF ONE BELIEVES NOT ON JESUS CHRIST .
I mean even the top man of good works and prayers and alms , SO much good that his works and prayers were made mention of
by an angel , YET STILL had to hear and believe the gospel to be saved . IF EVEN CORNELIOUS
had to believe , WHAT ON EARTH makes us think OTHER RELIGOINS DONT . BINGO . DONT let them pluck
the true gospel from our hearts . THEIR lies have made sad the heart of the lambs . THESE PEOPLE
preach nohting but a means of doing good , and even try and teach the cross
and yet SEEM to omit the fact YE MUST BELIEVE ON HE who was FIRST CRUCIFIED on said cross .
DONT fall for it . We must preach the dire need to beleive on CHRIST
then EXHORT and remind THE BELIEVERS to heed the SPIRIT to do good works , to die daily and etc .
BUT ALL is futile if one believes NOT or even tries to say its not necessary to HAVE TO BELIEVE on JESUS CHRIST .
SEVERE damanation awaits all WHO TROD the DIRE NEED to have to had believed ON JESUS THE CHRIST . just a friendly reminder .

Amen. And God was faithful to bring the gospel to Cornelius so that he could believe. We don't have to worry that anyone is going to miss out because of a technicality...God will find or make a way for those He has foreknown to believe.

 

[Peterlag]

New Podcast! Take the time to investigate the deeper ramifications of the gospel.

I got about 5 minutes into your video up until you said why do people ask why the Bible is so vague. You went on to say that the Bible has a deep meaning and we need to understand the spiritual part. The Bible is so simple a child could understand it. You have to go to college and study it for years to figure out how to make it complicated.

 

[Lizbeth]

I got about 5 minutes into your video up until you said why do people ask why the Bible is so vague. You went on to say that the Bible has a deep meaning and we need to understand the spiritual part. The Bible is so simple a child could understand it. You have to go to college and study it for years to figure out how to make it complicated.

lol. Amen, He reveals things to little children, while the wise and learned are often blinded.

 

[Episkopos]

I got about 5 minutes into your video up until you said why do people ask why the Bible is so vague. You went on to say that the Bible has a deep meaning and we need to understand the spiritual part. The Bible is so simple a child could understand it. You have to go to college and study it for years to figure out how to make it complicated.

“As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” 2 Pet. 3:16

Could it be that the unlearned or unstable can't see the difficulty...because they assume to understand when they do not.

 

[Peterlag]

“As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” 2 Pet. 3:16

Could it be that the unlearned or unstable can't see the difficulty...because they assume to understand when they do not.

We agree. The unlearned and unstable cannot understand the simple truth. Even Corinthians tells us that which is spiritual is foolish unto them and that they cannot understand it. As for me, I find nothing difficult concerning the Scriptures.

P.S. I don't think Enoch was carried straight to heaven because heaven would have to be available which it is not. As I write this there's only one who died that ever got caught up to heaven and that's the resurrected Christ Jesus. All others who ever lived that have died are still dead waiting for the return.

 

[Episkopos]

We agree. The unlearned and unstable cannot understand the simple truth. Even Corinthians tells us that which is spiritual is foolish unto them and that they cannot understand it. As for me, I find nothing difficult concerning the Scriptures.

P.S. I don't think Enoch was carried straight to heaven because heaven would have to be available which it is not. As I write this there's only one who died that ever got caught up to heaven and that's the resurrected Christ Jesus. All others who ever lived that have died are still dead waiting for the return.

I don't think you are understanding what Peter wrote. He admits that some things are hard to understand. Like the multitude of ways he uses the word"law". Unless you think Peter is foolish and that you have a better understanding than he does.

 

[Peterlag]

I don't think you are understanding what Peter wrote. He admits that some things are hard to understand. Like the multitude of ways he uses the word"law". Unless you think Peter is foolish and that you have a better understanding than he does.

I stay away from Peter because his ministry was to deal with Israel and that's why he mentions the "Law" so often. I'm a Paul guy who's ministry was to the Gentiles. And again, I find nothing hard to understand concerning the New Testament Scriptures.

 

[APAK]

New Podcast! Take the time to investigate the deeper ramifications of the gospel.

The true Christian life is lived in the Spirit of Father God via his Son's spirit that is given to those upon genuine conversion after spiritual baptism.

Through my personal experience(s) there is only one growth and maturation in spiritual and mental life as the walk of life we have today, in his Son, as the life of the world fades further and further into the background. It is only the deeper and 'high(er)' walk in God via his Son! There is no other life and interaction with the Spirit that is possible for genuine believers.

We began this Christ life at conversion, our transition to the new life, the new initial experience of the deeper or 'higher' life in Christ. Some as I, was immersed and on fire in the Spirit for days, weeks and months upon conversion. I believe you wrote you experienced days of this at your conversion.

I was possessed by the Spirit. And during my life I've experienced these clearly spiritual episodes throughout it all. My bass note or lower gear stays in this deeper and higher life mode and rhythm in Christ today. I experience more and more of them over the years like 'good' migraines for the soul. They feed it. It is now my modus operandi and my way of living, of giving and loving although to not compromise the desires of Holy Spirit within me. It has taken been many years for God to mold me in such a way, and yet I'm still human, with human traits and imperfections, who sometimes gets ahead of the plan and 'falls,' and to be expected.

So, it is not just a question of, is there a higher walk in Christ for 'genuine' believers. It is not a choice for a true believer. And I say this very strongly. God is continually redefining me everyday, through his Son's spirit in this deeper and higher life. It has overtaken me, possessed me.

I assume and its obvious there must be a 'lower' walk in Christ you might define, based on your title question. And that would be undefined for a genuine believer who does not 'serve' the flesh and carnalities of the world. That 'lower' walk would only apply to fake and/or religious individuals who think they are genuinely converted into Christ and possess the Kingdom. They still try yo obtain and seek the Kingdom as only seekers and unbelievers still do today. Those dry-fire or 'blanks' shooters you mentioned.

I'm in it for the rest of this life and the next, and I cannot separate myself from it anymore. I'm now waiting to have my ticket punched any time, as planned, to my next life in the New Jerusalem and begin to live in this Kingdom of God's rule. I'm been a member of it since I was 19 years old, and I will leave this world without dragging this human body around anymore that still aches and weighs me down.

 

[Peterlag]

The true Christian life is lived in the Spirit of Father God via his Son's spirit that is given to those upon genuine conversion after spiritual baptism.

Through my personal experience(s) there is only one growth and maturation in spiritual and mental life as the walk of life we have today, in his Son, as the life of the world fades further and further into the background. It is only the deeper and 'high(er)' walk in God via his Son! There is no other life and interaction with the Spirit that is possible for genuine believers.

We began this Christ life at conversion, our transition to the new life, the new initial experience of the deeper or 'higher' life in Christ. Some as I, was immersed and on fire in the Spirit for days, weeks and months upon conversion. I believe you wrote you experienced days of this at your conversion.

I was possessed by the Spirit. And during my life I've experienced these clearly spiritual episodes throughout it all. My bass note or lower gear stays in this deeper and higher life mode and rhythm in Christ today. I experience more and more of them over the years like 'good' migraines for the soul. They feed it. It is now my modus operandi and my way of living, of giving and loving although to not compromise the desires of Holy Spirit within me. It has taken been many years for God to mold me in such a way, and yet I'm still human, with human traits and imperfections, who sometimes gets ahead of the plan and 'falls,' and to be expected.

So, it is not just a question of, is there a higher walk in Christ for 'genuine' believers. It is not a choice for a true believer. And I say this very strongly. God is continually redefining me everyday, through his Son's spirit in this deeper and higher life. It has overtaken me, possessed me.

I assume and its obvious there must be a 'lower' walk in Christ you might define, based on your title question. And that would be undefined for a genuine believer who does not 'serve' the flesh and carnalities of the world. That 'lower' walk would only apply to fake and/or religious individuals who think they are genuinely converted into Christ and possess the Kingdom. They still try yo obtain and seek the Kingdom as only seekers and unbelievers still do today. Those dry-fire or 'blanks' shooters you mentioned.

I'm in it for the rest of this life and the next, and I cannot separate myself from it anymore. I'm now waiting to have my ticket punched any time, as planned, to my next life in the New Jerusalem and begin to live in this Kingdom of God's rule. I'm been a member of it since I was 19 years old, and I will leave this world without dragging this human body around anymore that still aches and weighs me down.

For me everything changed once I figured out how to walk in the spirit. I believe the spirit of Christ is my new nature and therefore I have been able to function in it. To live in it, walk by it, and be in it. When I finally figured this out is when the lights turned on. Most of my life I believed I was in a battle between what I thought was my old man fighting against what I thought was my new man. Now I'm not fighting. I moved right in the darn thing. It seems to me one cannot walk in or by the spirit if our old nature (which is dead) thinks it's fighting against our new nature.

Years ago I wrote...

Last night is when I took the red pill that released me from the Matrix. I was taught being in Christ meant I was in fellowship with God because I was walking upright in my flesh. I now understand being in Christ is being in the spirit and neither of them (in Christ or in the spirit) has anything to do with the darn flesh. It now seems perfectly clear to walk in or by the spirit is the same as putting on the Lord Jesus Christ. It's the same as having fellowship with Jesus Christ, which is also part of having the mind of Christ. Living in Christ is the same as being strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. There's a verse where Jesus says without me you can do nothing. Well, I'm never without him.

 

[Hepzibah]

The higher walk is living out your identity of being in Christ.

the lower walk is living out your flesh..

Yes exactly.

 

[Peterlag]

Yes exactly.

What has been driving me almost insane is the Christians view of what walking "in Christ" is.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We obey the Lord mostly because we know Him and love Him and thus love what is righteous and true. But also fear of the Lord also works for our good from time to time when we especially need it.

What I've noticed is that sometimes our carnal mind asks what are actually carnal questions that can't really be answered in a carnal way. I just try to take in everything that the bible says, and if some things don't make complete sense to me, well I just believe and receive it anyhow and wait for spiritual understanding to come later.

Oh I Agree,

But we hold on to the hope and never forget the greatest gift we could have ever recieved. And we do it. Because we KNOW he loves us and nothing can seperate us from that love.

when we doubt that the great salvation God gave us base on our faith is real. Or think it can be lost. Then we are unable to love perfectly. We must look continually to self to make sure we are ok. And in doing this take our eyes off God.

We may deceive ourselves into thinking we Love God. But we can never love him, or those around us, like he did. Because there is always that “what if” question hanging over our heads

 

[Eternally Grateful]

lol. Amen, He reveals things to little children, while the wise and learned are often blinded.

Amen,

thinking they were wise. They became foolish

It’s the cults that want to present the Bible to you as hard to understand. They tell you you must listen tot hem, because they have some special power from God that you do not have.

Between the largest so called church to the small off the mark leader. They all are pawns of satan

 

[Hepzibah]

What has been driving me almost insane is the Christians view of what walking "in Christ" is.

From my understanding, it is living out ones' life in accordance with what Christ commanded and for some of us, that means in accordance with the sermon on the mount.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

From my understanding, it is living out ones' life in accordance with what Christ commanded and for some of us, that means in accordance with the sermon on the mount.

I prefer to think of it as living out your new identity of being in Christ. And not your old identity of being In the flesh.

Jesus said 2 commands encompass all the law and prophets.

This is how we walk the higher walk. Walking in love because he first loved us.

The more we walk in love, the more we see Gods faithfulness, and the less we need to serve self..or the flesh..

 

[Lizbeth]

Oh I Agree,

But we hold on to the hope and never forget the greatest gift we could have ever recieved. And we do it. Because we KNOW he loves us and nothing can seperate us from that love.

when we doubt that the great salvation God gave us base on our faith is real. Or think it can be lost. Then we are unable to love perfectly. We must look continually to self to make sure we are ok. And in doing this take our eyes off God.

We may deceive ourselves into thinking we Love God. But we can never love him, or those around us, like he did. Because there is always that “what if” question hanging over our heads

Aren't we supposed to examine ourselves and also judge ourselves so that we will not be judged with the world? Ultimately dwelling on our own safety/salvation is selfish....it' strikes me as being kind of like the self-centredness of childhood. We need to love God, Jesus, the truth and righteousness for their own sakes. The thought comes that maybe that's why it casts out fear, because saving our own hide wouldn't be so foremost on our minds.

 

[Ritajanice]

We live out our new nature in Christ....reading God’s word, there we learn all about the new nature that we received when we became Born Again...

Living out our new nature is a process, as we were brought from our old nature to our new nature, all of that can take many yrs to learn and understand and we cannot learn or understand any of Gods word without his Spirit that leads us through all scripture and who brings it to our understanding through his Spirit to our spirit...that’s how we learn...for without the Spirit we are none of his.
We are no longer in the flesh, were in the Spirit.

Lower walk...a new babe.

Higher walk a mature walker, who understands they are completely and utterly dependent on God....

Just my thoughts/ opinions.

 

[Lizbeth]

Amen,

thinking they were wise. They became foolish

It’s the cults that want to present the Bible to you as hard to understand. They tell you you must listen tot hem, because they have some special power from God that you do not have.

Between the largest so called church to the small off the mark leader. They all are pawns of satan

But God is not a man that He should lie. We would have no understanding at all if not for His Spirit revealing and opening our eyes and drawing us to His word. We need His Spirit to help us, especially with the harder to understand things. Comparing spiritual with spiritual. And just think, we only know in part at best....that gives us pause to be humble. It's not like studying a textbook with the natural/carnal mind.

 

[Hepzibah]

I prefer to think of it as living out your new identity of being in Christ. And not your old identity of being In the flesh.

Jesus said 2 commands encompass all the law and prophets.

This is how we walk the higher walk. Walking in love because he first loved us.

The more we walk in love, the more we see Gods faithfulness, and the less we need to serve self..or the flesh..

I should have been more precise. I agree in the main but I might differ on what in the flesh' means in context, ie living out of ones natural instincts and thoughts not necessarily sinful, but leaning on the arm of the flesh which needs deliverance from God as in Romans 7. It cannot be a gradual thing as flesh and spirit are clearly defined. The crisis comes twice: once when we first come to Christ and wish to be delivered from the sinful side, then once again when we see that even our best works are not in accordance with His desires.