Is there a higher walk for believers in Christ?

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Eternally Grateful

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Please provide scripture.....instead of your own opinions...
James 2:19

You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
We must be Born Again then we are saved from eternal damnation and not before.
Yes.

And we are saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH
Belief in Jesus is not the same as the gift of God given faith ...
Do what?

Where do you come up with this stuff?


God given faith produces fruit and accomplishes the will of the Father...I was predestined to be made into the image of Jesus, I was also predestined to be used by God for his purpose and his plan....Praise God.
Yes, this is a special gift given to those who are SAVED and been given the spirit

This has nothing to do with being born again or salvation
Born Again of incorruptible/ imperishable seed....faith given by God is a wonderful precious gift.....there is nothing that could come anywhere near to the gift of Faith and becoming Born Again at the same time.
Yes, the gift of new birth is a precious gift

But God will not just give it to you, you have to recieve it..
We need to believe in the Name of Jesus...before we receive God given faith and becoming Born Again of imperishable seed.
Wrong

John 3: 15 - 16 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life

Believes - Pisteuo - to believe, to regard as trustworthy, To trust, To put faith in, to rely on, To think to be true

No one will believe until they trust..

your not born again until you have faith.
 

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Exactly! Denominations and the teachings of men hinder this. "I am of Paul" "I am o Apollos" This is Immaturity, Human Hubris, an untransformed mind, imperfect Love. We achieve this walk not of our own will and strength but by surrendering to the work of the Spirit in us.
YES!!
 

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You mean my apostolic faith. Whatever works...whatever gets you to meet the Lord where He is. Whatever it takes to walk as Jesus walked. THAT is faith. The renewing of the mind is not based on a fictitious apprehending of what is not being understood. Faith is something that God notices and that He rewards ...not some self-affirmation based on a dogmatic ideology distilled from a misreading of the bible. No power in that.
Your trying to BUY it.

I have been given it.

Based on the cross.

Your hope is in you

My hope is in the cross..
 

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That can happen now, in these end times and needs to happen before the judgement.... "TILL WE ALL come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. (Ephesians 4:13-16)

IMHO we need this now more than ever.
we will not come to the unity of faith on this earth.. There will always be divisions among us, not only in the gospel. but other things as well.

Thats why we should look to the word. Not to men or denomination.. Because we will not find truth in men and denomination. Only in Christ.
 

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What is it that tells you when you are in "the higher walk" and when you are not?
This is a great question. For me surrender, Trust, Faith, Doing His will.... eventually you get "wings of Eagles" And like an Eagle sometimes we are perched and other times we soar at will.
 
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Only those who are Born Again of imperishable seed will have resurrected bodies....they are called saints. we are heirs with Christ.


Romans 8
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Walking by the Spirit
(Ezekiel 36:16–38; Galatians 5:16–26)
1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.a2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set youb free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin.c He thus condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,7because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the fleshd cannot please God.
9You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alivee because of righteousness. 11And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the deadf will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you.
Heirs with Christ
12Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.
Future Glory
(2 Corinthians 5:1–10)
18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.
26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. 27And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
God Works in All Things
(Ephesians 1:3–14)
28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.
More than Conquerors
(Psalm 44:1–26)
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:
“For Your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”g
37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
yes,

Only those saved by grace through faith
 

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This is a great question. For me surrender, Trust, Faith, Doing His will.... eventually you get "wings of Eagles" And like an Eagle sometimes we are perched and other times we soar at will.
Amen

we all strive to be like Christ and Paul and the others who reached that state of maturity that walking was natural to them
 

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Yes. God was walking in him, but he did not yet see Jesus face to face. nor did he know who he was..

That would not happen until we are ressurected.. That's why Paul continued to run the race. He was not there yet
What? Who’s seed do you believe Paul was sowing into the churches of God?

Children and women don’t sow seed. A Full grown man sows.
 

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What scriptures contradict the words of God I quoted.

John 15:1-4 "“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit

Human beings are not branches.
So, your verse, is symbolic, and you are misusing it LITERALLY, and that is Theological Error.
That is the same error as "remove your candlestick" that is found in The Revelation, that heretics all misuse to try to prove the same error that is their LEGALISM.
It the same thing you find with Heretics, who abuse the epistle to the : Hebrews, .....by applying verses that are targeted at Christ Rejecting JEWS.. = heretics use those verses against the born again, because they dont understand the verses, because they don't understand Salvation, or the Cross of Christ.
 

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James 2:19

You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

Yes.

And we are saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH

We are given the gift of Faith by God..a manifestation of the Spirit
Do what?

Where do you come up with this stuff?
Come up with what stuff please explain?..as you aren’t making yourself clear.
Yes, this is a special gift given to those who are SAVED and been given the spirit
We are Born Again by the Spirit we aren’t given the Spirit?

Where does God say I give you my Spirit?
This has nothing to do with being born again or salvation

What has nothing to do with being Born Again..please clarify?
Yes, the gift of new birth is a precious gift

But God will not just give it to you, you have to recieve it..
No, show me where God says we receive the gift of Faith and receive the becoming Born Again?
Wrong

John 3: 15 - 16 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life

Believes - Pisteuo - to believe, to regard as trustworthy, To trust, To put faith in, to rely on, To think to be true

No one will believe until they trust..

your not born again until you have faith.
Who ever believes in him and are gifted faith and Born Again of imperishable seed...then they will not perish but will have eternal.

As God says...even the demons believed..that is not enough.

We were predestined to believe, we received Faith and Born Again of imperishable seed....because that was the will of God....it all happens as God planned it to happen all very naturally @Eternally Grateful

We became Born Again because it was pleasing to God as we were predestined to be made into Jesus image.
 

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Your trying to BUY it.

I have been given it.

Based on the cross.

Your hope is in you

My hope is in the cross..
I don't see that in Episkopos.... The Higher walk is not the same as Salvation. Salvation is by Grace, The Higher walk is the race we as the saved run on this earth Empowered by the Spirit.... Paul finished that race and died a saint. Will we?
we will not come to the unity of faith on this earth.. There will always be divisions among us, not only in the gospel. but other things as well.

Thats why we should look to the word. Not to men or denomination.. Because we will not find truth in men and denomination. Only in Christ.
That is called "Little Faith" IMO... Peter was scolded for this. Were we meant to walk as a divided body.... I Think not, we merely lost the way to coming of One Accord.... Read 1 Corinthians 12....
I Agree the truth is in Christ alone But what has been Lost is the "higher walk"
 

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Your trying to BUY it.

Read the bible. You accuse me out of ignorance. Even if I posted all the times Jesus says to buy...you wouldn't read it. So your ignorance is based on self-will.
I have been given it.

A sample....that will NOT justify you before the Bema seat. You will have to account for the talent you buried.
Based on the cross.

Based on the cross of what Jesus did...or the cross that you escaped from being placed on yourself? Being an enemy of the cross doesn't mean you don't believe Jesus was crucified...it means you prefer to live your life than to surrender it to God so that he can live through you.
Your hope is in you

My hope is in Christ. You have to lie to feel better about the weakness of your position. Your ego is doing that.
My hope is in the cross..
This is wrong. You can't claim Jesus as your sacrifice. The cross of Christ is meant to crucify US...so that we can walk in His resurrection life...now.
 

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Human beings are not branches.
So, your verse, is symbolic, and you are misusing it LITERALLY, and that is Theological Error.
That is the same error as "remove your candlestick" that is found in The Revelation, that heretics all misuse to try to prove the same error that is their LEGALISM.
It the same think you find with Heretics, who abuse Hebrews, by applying verses that are targeted at Christ Rejecting JEWS.. and heretics use those verses again the born again, because they dont understand the verse, because they don't understand Salvation, or the Cross of Christ.
Let me ask again. What scriptures tell you that when you are saved you are always saved as you've claimed below.

And if Paul was here today, on the forum.. .He would be teaching that you can't lose your Salvation, as Jesus is Salvation.."
 

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He is trying IMO to get this thread back on topic.
Trying to get a Thread back on "topic" when the Topic is religious Sci-Fi, = its his Legalist idea that we are to "do righteousness" to be righteous, vs, being "made righteous" by God.
So, his entire understanding of Christianity, is "SELF EFFORT", and that is the opposite of God's Salvation.
Not a good sign....

So, getting His Theology of LEGALISM "back on Track" is hopefully never going to be a success.
 
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Human beings are not branches.
So, your verse, is symbolic, and you are misusing it LITERALLY, and that is Theological Error.
That is the same error as "remove your candlestick" that is found in The Revelation, that heretics all misuse to try to prove the same error that is their LEGALISM.
It the same thing you find with Heretics, who abuse the epistle to the : Hebrews, .....by applying verses that are targeted at Christ Rejecting JEWS.. = heretics use those verses against the born again, because they dont understand the verses, because they don't understand Salvation, or the Cross of Christ.
False as can be...and this to support a Dispensational heresy. We are the branches...whether natural branches or wild ones. Either way, the sap from the vine is the life that supports the branches. You should be on your own threads where such nonsense goes unchallenged.
 

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Human beings are not branches.
So, your verse, is symbolic, and you are misusing it LITERALLY, and that is Theological Error.
That is the same error as "remove your candlestick" that is found in The Revelation, that heretics all misuse to try to prove the same error that is their LEGALISM.
It the same thing you find with Heretics, who abuse the epistle to the : Hebrews, .....by applying verses that are targeted at Christ Rejecting JEWS.. = heretics use those verses against the born again, because they dont understand the verses, because they don't understand Salvation, or the Cross of Christ.
We have been grafted into the true vine, Jesus, by God...therefore he disciplines us he chastises us...he is the potter we are the clay...he works in us via his Spirit.....a Born Again bears Jesus fruit ...we are being made into Jesus image...

Any one who has been Born Again of imperishable seed as you well know will take root and grow...that is the seed of Faith a gift from God..
 
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Trying to get a Thread back on "topic" when the Topic is religious Sci-Fi, = its his Legalist idea that we are to "do righteousness" to be righteous, vs, being "made righteous" by God.

It is foolish to throw away righteousness in order to be righteous. Both standards exist. Otherwise we could be unrighteous AND be the righteousness of Christ in unrighteousness...without the righteous requirement of repentance.
So, his entire understanding of Christianity, is "SELF EFFORT", and that is the opposite of God's Salvation.
Not a good sign....

False. Jesus said to carry OUR cross. You refuse obedience to Christ. And you defend that heresy by accusing people who speak the truth. Only when a person is crucified with Christ can they be permitted to walk with the "easy burden" . But to get there one must be dead in Christ.
So, getting His Theology of LEGALISM "back on Track" is hopefully never going to be a success.
You treat grace in a legalistic way..thinking you have it by looking down on others. So then you are the legalist. Your gospel is without power except to deceive.
 

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yes,

Only those saved by grace through faith
Only those who are Born Again of imperishable seed...and given the gift of Faith as Gods word says ,a manifestation of the Spirit ..God given faith manifests itself in the heart of a Born Again, because it’s the Living seed/ word of God..Biblical.
 

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Let me ask again. What scriptures tell you that when you are saved you are always saved as you've claimed below.

Explained it in detail, many times to you in the past.
See, Verses dont help you, as you twist them against the Cross.

Listen,

The reason that Jesus uses "branches" is because this is symbolic of having a ROOT.

A real branch is become a part of the root, and spiritually speaking... that means "born again"., as that is how you abide IN JESUS , Spiritually.

So, Jesus is teaching that any branch that is not a part of the root, is a religious faker, never born again..

Also, in Heaven, no Believer who has died.... has the New Body yet, other than Jesus, so How are "men" gathering other people to cast them into outer darkness?

YOU HAVE TO THINK...

Do you also not understand that you can't see the born again Spirit?

Try picking one up and "casting it into outer darkness".

Give that a shot, LEGALIST.....

Listen..
These will be told to "depart, i never knew you".. you were never a part of ME......I was never the ROOT of Jesse, who is the Messiah,
= joined to you.
 
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