Is there a higher walk for believers in Christ?

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Episkopos

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It is frustrating at times to watch this. discussions on the higher walk and unity of the Spirit getting bogged down in doctrines of men.... (Calvin etc.) I am sure there is frustration involved in his comments, but i don't blame him for that. He is trying IMO to get this thread back on topic.
I always get accused of doing what the accusers are doing. One has to get used to that. What never happens is for people to see themselves in their own reactions to the truth. They deflect the truth and call it accusations against themselves. As in ....why are you tormenting me before my time? Where does the rebelliousness come from...the backbiting...the accusations...? My goal is to bring people over to the truth...and to disconnect them from what will condemn them before a holy God. I seek the edify the inner man even at the expense of the outer man...but the religious egos react in a self-preservation manner as if that was good for them. So they get things backwards.

This is very serious. Making light of the higher calling isn't wise.
 

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It is frustrating at times to watch this. discussions on the higher walk and unity of the Spirit getting bogged down in doctrines of men.... (Calvin etc.) I am sure there is frustration involved in his comments, but i don't blame him for that. He is trying IMO to get this thread back on topic.
Its not just calvin, We have people that lead to catholicism also..
 

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Exactly..of course I knew all about Jesus.

We must believe in Jesus..that’s not God given faith...

Faith is a manifestation of the Spirit...God given faith manifest itself in our heart...that’s the seed of God.his Living word.

Hence we are Born Again of imperishable seed?
Demons believe yet tremble

Scripture uses the term belief in many different ways. the term which matters is the belief that trusts. also interpreted as faith


You will receive Jesus unless you have faith

And you will not be saved until you receive him.
 

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It is frustrating at times to watch this. discussions on the higher walk and unity of the Spirit getting bogged down
I agree with you. We talk about such high things in such a low manner.

At some point, one has to ask, what is really happening here?

Much love!
 
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lol. what Prove you are following calvin beliefs?

Just read your posts.. I do not need to use scripture.. Calvin distorts scripture.. Like @Behold has been trying to tell you
You do need to prove it by using scripture.

Gods word distorts nothing.......I have been Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed..

God give faith manifest itself in our spirit as Gods words says....where it liveth and abideth forever as it was God’s seed that was planted in our hearts.....it can never decay and it can never die....God given Faith just keeps on getting stronger and stronger....

Mind Blowing!
 

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Look in Acts, it is when the church is at "one accord" that the world is turned upside down by the Power of the Spirit. its not something "future", but here and now.... God bless
Yes look in acts, and the rest of the nt the church always had struggles. if it did not. all the epistles would not have needed to be written to appose those who came in and distorted the truth.

true equality in knowledge will not happen when we see God face to face, and all of our errors are corrected.
 

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This will happen at the resurrection when we see him face to face.
Some do believe that this is a future event.

I believe that as Jesus was the image of the invisible God,,,, Paul was the image of the resurrected Christ. A Man in the body. I see Christ walking in him in his letters, and the love he has for the brethren.
 

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Its not just calvin, We have people that lead to catholicism also..
The higher walk will not happen when people here are debating Calvin, the Pope, etc.... this is immaturity.... Read Ephesians 4:11-16

 

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I always get accused of doing what the accusers are doing. One has to get used to that. What never happens is for people to see themselves in their own reactions to the truth. They deflect the truth and call it accusations against themselves. As in ....why are you tormenting me before my time? Where does the rebelliousness come from...the backbiting...the accusations...? My goal is to bring people over to the truth...and to disconnect them from what will condemn them before a holy God. I seek the edify the inner man even at the expense of the outer man...but the religious egos react in a self-preservation manner as if that was good for them. So they get things backwards.

This is very serious. Making light of the higher calling isn't wise.
this makes me laugh..

after years. the same old hypocritical thinking..
 

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Some do believe that this is a future event.

I believe that as Jesus was the image of the invisible God,,,, Paul was the image of the resurrected Christ. A Man in the body. I see Christ walking in him in his letters, and the love he has for the brethren.
Yes. God was walking in him, but he did not yet see Jesus face to face. nor did he know who he was..

That would not happen until we are ressurected.. That's why Paul continued to run the race. He was not there yet
 

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The higher walk will not happen when people here are debating Calvin, the Pope, etc.... this is immaturity.... Read Ephesians 4:11-16

sadly, when you are in a christian chat.

You will have calvin vs arminion

Catholic vs protestant

and about a hundred other beliefs.

The higher walk is a walk in our idently. I can achieve this walk any time of any day.. all I have to do is walk in him, no matter what church I belong to.
 

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Demons believe yet tremble

Scripture uses the term belief in many different ways. the term which matters is the belief that trusts. also interpreted as faith


You will receive Jesus unless you have faith

And you will not be saved until you receive him.
Please provide scripture.....instead of your own opinions...
We must be Born Again then we are saved from eternal damnation and not before.
Belief in Jesus is not the same as the gift of God given faith ...God given faith produces fruit and accomplishes the will of the Father...I was predestined to be made into the image of Jesus, I was also predestined to be used by God for his purpose and his plan....Praise God.

Born Again of incorruptible/ imperishable seed....faith given by God is a wonderful precious gift.....there is nothing that could come anywhere near to the gift of Faith and becoming Born Again at the same time.

We need to believe in the Name of Jesus...before we receive God given faith and becoming Born Again of imperishable seed.
 
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I am singling you out. You are part of the problem with your catholic beliefs.,.
You mean my apostolic faith. Whatever works...whatever gets you to meet the Lord where He is. Whatever it takes to walk as Jesus walked. THAT is faith. The renewing of the mind is not based on a fictitious apprehending of what is not being understood. Faith is something that God notices and that He rewards ...not some self-affirmation based on a dogmatic ideology distilled from a misreading of the bible. No power in that.
 

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Yes look in acts, and the rest of the nt the church always had struggles. if it did not. all the epistles would not have needed to be written to appose those who came in and distorted the truth.

true equality in knowledge will not happen when we see God face to face, and all of our errors are corrected.
That can happen now, in these end times and needs to happen before the judgement.... "TILL WE ALL come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. (Ephesians 4:13-16)

IMHO we need this now more than ever.
 

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That would not happen until we are ressurected.
Only those who are Born Again of imperishable seed will have resurrected bodies....they are called saints. we are heirs with Christ.


Romans 8
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Walking by the Spirit
(Ezekiel 36:16–38; Galatians 5:16–26)
1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.a2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set youb free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin.c He thus condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,7because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the fleshd cannot please God.
9You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alivee because of righteousness. 11And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the deadf will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you.
Heirs with Christ
12Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.
Future Glory
(2 Corinthians 5:1–10)
18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.
26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. 27And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
God Works in All Things
(Ephesians 1:3–14)
28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.
More than Conquerors
(Psalm 44:1–26)
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:
“For Your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”g
37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 

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The higher walk is a walk in our idently. I can achieve this walk any time of any day.. all I have to do is walk in him, no matter what church I belong to.
What is it that tells you when you are in "the higher walk" and when you are not?

Much love!
 

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Yes, i was just telling @Ritajanice that you have no understanding of the Cross, or of Jesus as : Salvation.
And that is why you....... like all deceived Legalists....,., teach that YOUR DOING keeps you saved, or not, which is open rejection of the Blood of Jesus and the Cross of Christ....every time you do it.
And that is how you misuse verses to try to teach that Your behavior, determines Heaven or Hell, after you die.

You have no understanding of Salvation, and that is why you teach that it can be lost.
What scriptures contradict the words of God I quoted.

John 15:1-4 "“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.


John is saying the same as Matthew did in Matthew 7:19-23 to people who were born again and operated in His gifts. " 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’"
 

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The higher walk is a walk in our idently. I can achieve this walk any time of any day.. all I have to do is walk in him, no matter what church I belong to.
Exactly! Denominations and the teachings of men hinder this. "I am of Paul" "I am o Apollos" This is Immaturity, Human Hubris, an untransformed mind, imperfect Love. We achieve this walk not of our own will and strength but by surrendering to the work of the Spirit in us.
 
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