Was Bible Possession banned by the Catholic Church

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When someone is as ignorant of history as you are it gets very boring answering you.
Right when where bibles chained on to lectures in churches?

Who determines that a bibles is heretical?

Can you list the heretical elements in the king James authorised version of the bible?
Please remember 90% of this bible is based on the work of William Tyndale excuted for translating the bible into English.
If you use any translation based on the king James authorised version then you are using a heretical bible.
YOU accuse me of historical “ignorance” – yet you STILL cling to the Tyndale myth as the truth.

First of all – the Protestant myth that Tyndale was charged with heresy for simply translating the Bible into English is nonsense.
Tyndale’s predecessor, John Wycliffe had produced a translation of Scripture that was full of errors and outright heresies. Wycliffe taught against centra doctrines like the Eucharist and free will.

Because of this, Synod of Oxford passed a law in 1408 that forbade the unauthorized translation of Scripture into English as well as the reading of any of these versions.

The Church had already produced many English translations of Scripture (see Where We Got the Bible by Henry Graham, chapter 11, “Vernacular Scriptures Before Wycliff”).

Tyndale’s arrogantly broke the law passed after Wycliffe’s debacle.

His new version, which he was warned not to undertake because he was considered only a mediocre scholar was no better. The Bishop of London listed some 2000 errors in Tyndale’s translation. Finally, he included a scathing prologue and notes that were full of contempt for the Church.

THIS is why Tyndale’s translation was condemned. NOT because it was in English.

As for WHO determines what is heretical – Christ’s Church does with its God-given Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).
 
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Wow! Wasn't that back when Fred and Barney were still around over in Bedrock? View attachment 41219
Indeed! I was in the US Army until August of 1966. I started my college immediately upon separation back civilian. I was in Viet Nam when the first combat troops were sent there by LBJ, the president who took over from JFK.
 
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Well, thank you for your service! patriot.gif

If it weren't for the gutless politicians we would have won that war... it wasn't the fault of the military guys... same with the Korean war that my old man fought in.
 

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Maybe you’ve heard the story before: prior to the Reformation, the Roman Catholic Church forbade the translation of Scripture into common languages.
Now, Protestants had plenty to protest in this era, but it simply isn’t true that vernacular translation was totally forbidden. But the Roman Church did forbid it in some places at some times—and England, 1408, was one of them.
Why?...."
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Yes, Liberal Huff post but yet it is a good read.
 
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Claiming all of your popes spoke with perfection... priclessly funny and false! View attachment 41112

There is documentation of popes contradicting things other popes
said, so your popes can't even get their story straight amongst themselves!

Thanks for the chuckle man... that was great! View attachment 41113

Besides......no one in the pews on their knees had a Bible to verify the accuracy of what was said from the podium ..... And the Catholics to this day believe they are perfection.
 

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Besides......no one in the pews on their knees had a Bible to verify the accuracy of what was said from the podium ..... And the Catholics to this day believe they are perfection.

That's exactly WHY they did not want the people to have their own Bible... they knew their false doctrine would be exposed and they would lose control over the masses and their gravy train would dry up funny.gif
 

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Well, thank you for your service! View attachment 41223

If it weren't for the gutless politicians we would have won that war... it wasn't the fault of the military guys... same with the Korean war that my old man fought in.
Thank you!
Yes... a lot of men died in both of those places. I was a radio operator and it was only in my final 6 months that we lost 4 men from my company. Two of them I knew personally and to this day their faces are ingrained in my mind.

The numbers who were to die increased greatly after I had come home. I remember once in my first year of college being challenged by someone who was strongly against the war. I did not understand all the "whys" of the way, but I did understand that the men who did served were mistreated at home when they needed support.

When I was a student in West Berlin [1969-1970]I traveling through East Germany on my way to Spain with a German friend, we were stopped by the East German border guards. My friend mentioned to them that I had served in Viet Nam. As a result, instead getting through the border check in an hour or so [this was normal] we spent the entire night with them so they could ask me a whole lot of questions about my experience. For me it was scarier than my time in Viet Nam as I did not understand their purpose. Finally, when the sun was coming up, they let us go.
 

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Besides......no one in the pews on their knees had a Bible to verify the accuracy of what was said from the podium ..... And the Catholics to this day believe they are perfection.
No, we don't think for a minute we are perfect. We think what was divinely revealed, spoken and written, is perfect. Besides, most parishes offer missalettes that contain the same Bible readings as from the pulpit. Daily Bible readings are also available on line. An order is followed so the highlights of the whole Bible are covered in one year, and almost the entire Bible is covered in 3 year period. Example:
February 11, 2024

First Reading​

LEVITICUS 13:1‐2,44‐46

Responsorial Psalm​

PSALM 31(32):1‐2,5,11

Second Reading​

1 CORINTHIANS 10:31‐11:1

Gospel​

MARK 1:40‐45
 

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My friend mentioned to them that I had served in Viet Nam. As a result, instead getting through the border check in an hour or so [this was normal] we spent the entire night with them so they could ask me a whole lot of questions about my experience. For me it was scarier than my time in Viet Nam as I did not understand their purpose. Finally, when the sun was coming up, they let us go.

Thankfully they were just curious and wanted to ask a bunch of questions and didn't think you were a spy or something.
Too bad your friend couldn't just say ya'll were hippies just passin thru laughing.gif

I'd think during the cold war back then, they would have to have a good reason to take an American prisoner because doing so would have been an international incident and could escalate out of control and thankfully the Russians didn't seem too early to see nukes flying which would have meant mutual destruction of their country and ours.
 

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No, we don't think for a minute we are perfect. We think what was divinely revealed, spoken and written, is perfect. Besides, most parishes offer missalettes that contain the same Bible readings as from the pulpit. Daily Bible readings are also available on line. An order is followed so the highlights of the whole Bible are covered in one year, and almost the entire Bible is covered in 3 year period. Example:
February 11, 2024

First Reading​

LEVITICUS 13:1‐2,44‐46

Responsorial Psalm​

PSALM 31(32):1‐2,5,11

Second Reading​

1 CORINTHIANS 10:31‐11:1

Gospel​

MARK 1:40‐45

You believe you are perfect. The skeletons of born and unborn babies in the basements of Catholic Churches reveal the deceit.
 

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The depth of the divine Scriptures is such that not only the illiterate and uninitiated have difficulty understanding them, but also the educated and the gifted
This rationalization is too funny! Let’s embark on a campaign to prevent the illiterate from having a book. Given that they cannot read, what harm could there be in them having a book?

It’s like engaging in a campaign to prevent bald people from having hair clippers, brushes and combs. Obviously, there is some motivation, some agenda beyond what is stated.

The answer is always the same. Tyranny. Power. Control. Human nature does not change when upon entering the clergy.
 

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Thankfully they were just curious and wanted to ask a bunch of questions and didn't think you were a spy or something.
Too bad your friend couldn't just say ya'll were hippies just passin thru View attachment 41251
Indeed... My friend was very apologetic after the fact, but he was not finished with his foolishness. At the French border, they searched our bags because they saw him digging into his bag for his passport while we were in his car waiting our turn. They presumed something worse and searched our bags thoroughly. They found a small container of hashish in his bag. They threatened to arrest us, but after a prolonged stay at that border they finally let us go. They confiscated his hashish. We made it to Spain without further events but that was the last trip I made with that fellow.
I'd think during the cold war back then, they would have to have a good reason to take an American prisoner because doing so would have been an international incident and could escalate out of control and thankfully the Russians didn't seem too early to see nukes flying which would have meant mutual destruction of their country and ours.
That was what I was afraid of... but fortunately it did not happen.
 

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Besides......no one in the pews on their knees had a Bible to verify the accuracy of what was said from the podium ..... And the Catholics to this day believe they are perfection.
That's exactly WHY they did not want the people to have their own Bible... they knew their false doctrine would be exposed and they would lose control over the masses and their gravy train would dry up View attachment 41236
Do you guys ever think before you speak??
There is more Scripture recited at a Catholic Mass than at a typical Protestant service.

Rom. 10:17

So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ

Show me the verse that says faith comes from owning and reading a Bible . . .
 

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You believe you are perfect. The skeletons of born and unborn babies in the basements of Catholic Churches reveal the deceit.
I believe I am a sinner, a bad example of a Catholic if you knew the difficulties I face every day. The Pope admits he is a sinner too. It's no surprise to Catholics.
'Who is Jorge Mario Bergoglio?" "I am a sinner. This the most accurate definition. It is not a figure of speech, a literary genre. I am a sinner."

These are words that readers might easily have skipped over. Our pope’s admissions and gestures of humility have, after all, become one of his trademarks. If he hadn't opened with a few self-deprecating remarks, then that might have been news. But canny Francis-watchers would know that the real bombshells—and surely with this pope, in this format, and at this length, there would be bombshells—would come along later.

Francis' humility, however, is not like Uriah Heep's: a purely formal show of being "ever so 'umble." Instead, it expresses a central conviction of the Christian faith. As we now know, Cardinal Bergoglio accepted his election to the papacy with the words: "I am a sinner, but I trust in the infinite mercy and patience of our Lord Jesus Christ." And these whispered words, I realized upon reading the interview, help to explain many of the pope's more pyrotechnic utterances.

For the Christian, the searing guilt one feels for one's sins is, or ought to be, underwritten with hope in the One who is "rich in mercy" (Eph 2:4). With great sorrow at having sinned, comes the greater appreciation of him who is able, and willing, to forgive us. Thus the famous words of 1 Timothy 1:15: "The saying is sure and worthy of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the foremost." Or as Paul writes in Romans, "where sin increased, grace abounded all the more" (5:20). From Paul and Augustine, right down to Dorothy Day and Mother Teresa, it is always the saints who are most painfully aware of how sinful they are, of how desperately they need God’s mercy. As St. Gemma Galgani puts it: "Think of all the sins that the greatest sinners have committed, I have committed as many."

If “sin” is a concept that has fallen out of fashion, word seems not to have reached Casa Santa Marta. Francis uses it often, and not only when speaking candidly of his own faults and sins. Elsewhere in the interview, he speaks of "the life of a human person" as "a land full of thorns and weeds," and—developing Augustine—outlines his vision of the church as a "field hospital" administering first aid ("Heal the wounds, heal the wounds"). Behind each of these images, of course, is a Gospel idea: "the cares of the world, and the lure of wealth" that risk choking out the sower's word (Mk 4:19), and Christ’s declaration, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick; I have come not to call the righteous but sinners" (Mk 2:17).

Several of Francis' favorite topics—confession, repentance, forgiveness—all presuppose sin, and sorrow for it. And it is within precisely these contexts that he has situated some of his most headline-grabbing remarks. His "ground-breaking" comments in La Repubblica on the salvation of atheists (incidentally, a possibility explicitly affirmed by Vatican II some 50 years ago) were prefaced by the "fundamental" observation that "God's mercy has no limits if he who asks for mercy does so in contrition and with a sincere heart." And in the America interview, the pastoral care of a "a woman with a failed marriage in her past and who also had an abortion" is broached in light of "the great benefit of confession... evaluating case by case and discerning what is the best thing for a person who seeks God and grace.” Significantly, the pope criticizes not only rigoristic confessors, but also the one who is “too lax,” who “washes his hands by simply saying, ‘This is not a sin.’” Francis’ field hospital, in common with its consultant Physician, is there to heal wounds, not deny that they exist.

Francis, it seems, is eager for us to "talk about [things] in context." And for the Christian, all talk of sin is circumscribed within a very specific one—that there exists a being "who can forgive everything, forgive all and for all, because he himself gave his innocent blood for all and for everything.” Those words are taken from The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoevsky, an author whom, we learn, the pope "love very much." This basic idea has, moreover, been a repeated teaching of the Franciscan magisterium: "God is greater than sin" (in the America interview); "the forgiveness of God is stronger than any sin" (in the La Repubblica letter). But for neither Francis nor Dostoevsky is there ever a hint of "cheap grace" in any of this. "Shame is a true Christian virtue," Francis once said in an early-morning homily. "Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing compared to love in dreams," as Dorothy Day (another Dostoevsky fan) was fond of quoting from The Brothers Karamazov.

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You believe you are perfect. The skeletons of born and unborn babies in the basements of Catholic Churches reveal the deceit.
Yea, and before burial, monks would boil the babies in oil. That's why they are called "fry-ars".
Count Dracula was a literary offshoot from a real character who lived in Transylvania in the 17th century. That proves Dracula was a Catholic.
35 craters on the moon are named after Jesuit cosmologists and mathematicians, that proves they were astrologists who killed Abraham Lincoln.o_O

CANADIAN “MASS GRAVE” STORY A HOAX?
Bill Donohue
In 2014, I wrote a monograph, Ireland’s “Mass Grave” Hysteria, on claims that 800 bodies of children were found in a mass grave outside a former home run by nuns in Tuam, near Galway. It was all a hoax, just as I had suspected. There was no mass grave. The result: It made the anti-Catholic activists and journalists look like fools.

Two years ago, the Canadian government claimed that Indian children were buried in “mass graves” at residential schools established by the government and run, in part, by the Catholic Church. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau sounded the alarms and ordered the nation’s flags to be flown at half mast; he pledged to spend $40 billion to settle with those associated with the alleged victims.

Looks like Trudeau, and all the critics of the Catholic Church, were fooled. It is becoming increasingly apparent that this story is also a hoax. After 14 sites were excavated recently, not one mass grave has been found. Indeed, the body count is zero.

This story began in 2021 after claims about unmarked graves emerged. Immediately, pundits and activists speculated that the Catholic Church (which did not run the majority of the schools) was to blame for the deaths of thousands of indigenous children. Murray Sinclair, who was chosen to chair the Report of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada, opined that the number of corpses was in the range of 15,000-25,000. Now the attorney and member of the Peguis First Nation can’t find even one.

When the Report was issued last year, it did not make claims about mass graves. Instead, it focused on the “cultural genocide” that the indigenous children experienced. After reading the Report, on August 2, 2022, I titled my assessment, “The Genocide That Wasn’t.”

No sooner had the charge of “cultural genocide” been bandied about when it was shortened by Catholic critics to “genocide.” On p. 6 of the Report, it noted that “Despite the coercive measures that the government adopted, it failed to achieve its policy goals. Although Aboriginal peoples and cultures have been damaged, they continue to exist.” So much for the “cultural genocide” thesis—never mind the more serious charge of genocide.

Was there no violence at these residential schools?
In the 535-page Report, there were exactly two testimonials about killing. One was made by an indigenous woman who said she witnessed her older brother kill one of her other brothers when she was nine. The other was in reference to a killing that took place between 1980 and 2012. The residential schools were closed in 1969.
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If the residential schools were guilty of genocide, surely the Report would have found instances of torture, if not whipping. I looked in vain to find such incidents. Oh, yes, there was one instance of whipping: it was committed by a government teacher in 1895.
Were the Catholic-run schools free of wrongdoing? Pretty much.

On p. 68 of the Report it says the missionaries opposed integrating the indigenous children into the public schools, but not for nefarious reasons. They did so because
“1) teachers in public schools were not prepared to deal with Aboriginal students;
2) students in the public schools often expressed racist attitudes towards Aboriginal students; and
3) Aboriginal students felt acute embarrassment over their impoverished conditions, particularly in terms of the quality of the clothing they wore and the food they ate.”

None of this was highlighted by the media, nor by Trudeau’s government.

Mass graves. Genocide. We saw those words thrown about with alacrity in Ireland a decade ago, and more recently in Canada. These false charges have stoked anti-Catholic sentiment in Ireland and have led to the burning of scores of Catholic churches in Canada. The consequences of bigotry can be severe, especially when promoted by the secular-minded members of the ruling class.

further reading: WHY THE "MASS GRAVE" STORY IS A HOAX
 
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My niece is Catholic and doesn't possess or read a bible.

I gave her one, but I don't think she reads it. She hears from and talks to her dead parents so she is not yet ready to hear from God.
Hi Pearl,

It appears to me the point you are trying to make is that one needs to read a bible before they can hear from God. How did millions of Christians "hear from God" before bibles were mass produced after the invention of the printing press in the 1400's? Most people couldn't read up through and past the medieval times....How did they "hear from God"? Maybe they, and your niece, hear from God the bible way: So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Your niece doesn't possess a bible even though you don't think she reads the one you gave her?
 
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Everyone needs one, or they can tell you anything and lead you to the wrong path..
Really Hobie? Everyone needs a bible and without it false preachers "can tell you anything and lead you to the wrong path"? There is a passage in Scripture that says faith comes by hearing. Can you show me a passage that says faith comes by reading?

You do know that most people couldn't read for over 1,000 years after the death of Christ AND the bible wasn't produced in mass until the invention of the printing press in the 1500's? Soooo were the millions of illiterate people that couldn't read or afford a handwritten bible led down the wrong path for the first 1500+ years of Christianity?

Curious Mary
 
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""The Catholic Church actually discouraged the populace from reading the Bible on their own -- a policy that intensified through the Middle Ages and later, with the addition of a prohibition forbidding translation of the Bible into native languages. (to prevent catholics from reading a bible).
"Decree of the Council of Toulouse (1229 C.E.): "We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books."
Ruling of the Council of Tarragona of 1234 C.E.: "No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned..."

Proclamations at the Ecumenical Council of Constance in 1415 C.E.: Oxford professor, and theologian John Wycliffe, was the first (1380 C.E.) to translate the New Testament into English to "...helpeth Christian men to study the Gospel in that tongue in which they know best Christ's sentence." For this "heresy" Wycliffe was posthumously condemned by Arundel, the archbishop of Canterbury. By the Council's decree "Wycliffe's bones were exhumed and publicly burned and the ashes were thrown into the Swift River."

Fate of William Tyndale in 1536 C.E.: William Tyndale was burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English. According to Tyndale, the Church forbid owning or reading the Bible to control and restrict the teachings and to enhance their own power and importance. "