Was Bible Possession banned by the Catholic Church

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And the books of the Reformation and Bibles burned..
Here is from the Catholic Encyclopedia with their view of what was to be censored and burned, and more on the setting up of the infamous 'Indices of forbidden books' ...'The First Ecumenical Council of Nicaea (325) condemned not only Arius personally, but also his book entitled “Thalia”; Constantine commanded that the writings of Arius and of his friends should everywhere be delivered up to be burned; concealment of them was forbidden under pain of death. In the following centuries, when and wherever heresies sprang up, the popes of Rome and the ecumenical councils, as well as the particular synods of Africa, Asia, and Europe, condemned, conjointly with the false doctrines, the books and writings containing them. (Cf. Hilgers, Die Bucherverbote in Pastbriefen.) The latter were ordered to be destroyed by fire, and illegal preservation of them was treated as a heinous criminal offense. The authorities intended to make the reading of such writings simply impossible. Pope St. Innocent I, enumerating in a letter of 405 a number of apocryphal writings, rejects them as non solum repudianda sed etiam damnanda. It is the first attempt at a catalogue of forbidden books. The so-called “Decretum Gelasianum” contains many more, not only apocryphal, but also heretical, or otherwise objectionable, writings. It is not without reason that this catalogue has been called the first “Roman Index” of forbidden books. The books in question were not unfrequently examined in the public sessions of councils. There are also cases in which the popes themselves (e.g. Innocent I and Gregory the Great) read and examined a book sent to them and finally condemned it. As regards the kinds and contents of writings forbidden in ancient times, we find among them, besides apocryphal and heretical books, forged acts of martyrs, spurious penitentials, and superstitious writings. In ancient times information about objectionable books was sent both from East and West to Rome, that they might be examined and, if necessary, forbidden by the Apostolic See. Thus at the beginning of the Middle Ages there existed, in all its essentials, though without specified clauses, a prohibition and censorship of books throughout the Catholic Church. Popes as well as councils, bishops no less than synods, considered it then, as always, their most sacred duty to safeguard the purity of faith and to protect the souls of the faithful by condemning and forbidding any dangerous book.

During the Middle Ages prohibitions of books were far more numerous than in ancient times. Their history is chiefly connected with the names of medieval heretics like Berengarius of Tours, Abelard, John Wyclif, and John Hus. However, especially in the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries, there were also issued prohibitions of various kinds of superstitious writings, among them the Talmud and other Jewish books. In this period, also, the first decrees about the reading of translations of the Bible were called forth by the abuses of the Waldenses and Albigenses. '

And we have the history documented of Mediaeval time...'In his recent article, “The Burning of Heretical Books”, University of Oxford historian Alexander Murray examines several questions about the topic. He notes there are over 200 incidences of book burning in the Middle Ages. “There are one or two Carolingian cases,” Murray writes, “a few more in the Gregorian reform and a few more in the ‘twelfth-century renaissance’. It is around 1200 that the pace quickens, and from then on, scarcely a decade passes without a book-burning, the pace rising gradually, but with exceptional spurts between 1232 and 1319 when hitherto immune Jewish books were burned by the cartload. More generally, the acceleration only becomes conspicuous in response to the burst of Wycliffe-Hussite thought in the fifteenth-century, itself – Nota Bene – partly an expression of rising book production.” ....Murray explains it was not actually to destroy the books and obliterate these writings. In many cases the original book was not destroyed, but only a copy. For example, when the writings of Jan Hus were burned after he was convicted of heresy at the Council of Constance (1414-18), it was only copies that were destroyed, while the Pope kept the originals. In other examples, the items that were burnt were ‘lists of errors’ – documents that were created to detail heretical statements that were made by some person. They were actually specifically made in order to be burned....Murray adds that when books were burned (or endured a lesser punishment, such as being cut to pieces), the ideal situation for the church authorities was to have the person who wrote the book to be one who consigned it to the flames. This was seen as an act of public penance, to show that the person had recanted their views. This happened with Peter Abelard, who was accused of heresy at the ecclesiastical council at Soissons in 1121 – to escape the charges, he had to publicly burn his own book On the Divine Unity and Trinity, an act he later disavowed... The post-medieval period would see a massive increase in the instances of book destruction – as secular authorities took over the prosecution of heretics in the sixteenth, they also went after heretical books as well.'

The Catholic Church organized numerous book burnings throughout the medieval period. In the 13th century, Pope Gregory IX ordered the burning of the Jewish theological work The Talmud along with “those books in which you find errors of this sort you shall cause to be burned at the stake..” A papal bull issued on May 29, 1554, specified that while the Talmud and works containing blasphemies of Christianity were to be burned, other Jewish works were to be submitted for censorship. The Talmud was included in the first Index Expurgatorius in 1559. The ban against publication of the Talmud, with certain excisions or without them, under a different name, was temporarily lifted (March 24, 1564) by Pius IV. However, confiscation of Hebrew works continued in Italy, especially in the Papal States, down to the 18th century. The same was the case in Avignon and the papal possessions in France. Renewed interdictions were issued by Popes Gregory XIII (1572–85) and Clement VIII (1593). The burning in Rome was commemorated by an annual public fast day observed on the eve of Sabbath of ḥukkat (Shibbolei ha-Leket 263).
 

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Here is from the Spanish Inquisition, '
censorship was present from the very beginning of the history of the Christian Church, always prompt to fight heresy and dissidence. During the XV century, however, although no particular heresy was threatening the Church, the increasing stream of books issuing from the press aroused a sense of the necessity of some supervision. In 1486, Berthold, archbishop of Mainz, tried to establish censorship on all books translated into the vernacular from foreign languages, and in 1501 the pope Alexander VI issued a bull instructing the German prelates to exercise a close supervision over printers. In 1515, the fifth council of Lateran issued a papal constitution that forbid forever after the publication of any book without a preliminary examination and the granting of a license (the famous imprimatur, issued by the local bishop or inquisitor and still in use nowadays).

Within this frame, the Catholic Kings pragmática of 1502 can be seen as no more than the implementation in Spanish soil of a general European trend: previous censorship. However, this ordinary censorship exerted by the local bishops would too soon be superseded by the extreme efficiency of a new body that was to become widely known and feared: the Spanish Inquisition.

The Inquisition was not unknown in Spanish territories in the XV century. During the XIII century, a special tribunal had been created in the territories of the crown of Aragon to fight against the Catharian heresy; it depended directly from Rome and took its officers from among the Dominican and Franciscan orders. Thus, in 1316, the inquisitor Joan de Llotger condemned the works of Arnau de Vilanova on spiritual Franciscanism (lea 19), and later that century Nicolau Eymerich condemned some books by Raimon Llull and Ramon de Tàrrega. (9) However, during the XV century this inquisition was mostly inactive.

The social situation of Castille compelled many Jews to convert to Christianity, trying to avoid the legal limitations and the harassment they suffered. Nevertheless, the creation of a new social class (the converted Jews, cristianos nuevos or marranos, as opposed to original Christian, cristianos viejos or lindos) was regarded as highly suspect by many, who thought that they were not really Christians and tried to persecute those who still professed the Jewish faith in secret. In 1478 the queen decides to ask Rome for the creation of an Inquisition for Aragon and Castille, desire that pope Sixtus IV fulfills that same year. The news found great resistance in the territories of Aragon, Catalonia and Valencia, who regarded the new tribunal as an attack to their particular laws.

Nevertheless, in 1480 the first inquisitors, Miguel de Morillo and Juan de San Martín, were appointed, and in 1483 the Consejo de la Suprema y General Inquisición, presided by Fray Tomás de Torquemada, was created. The legal provisions for this court were quite clear: its members were to be appointed by the Crown and not by Rome (thus beginning a confusion between secular and religious power that would go on for centuries), and its jurisdiction was limited to those baptized (but one must remember that after the expulsion of the Jews in 1492 and the forcible conversions of Moors in the early XV century, Spain was officially a Catholic country and, therefore, all its inhabitants were Christians).

The Inquisition did not have the authority to grant publication licenses and, most important, among its functions was not the censorship of books. Nevertheless, it tried hard to obtain the authority to grant licenses and very soon started with book censorship, under the excuse of fighting heresy. For instance, it is not clear under which title was acting Diego Deza in 1504 when he assailed Elio Antonio de Nebrija, the author of the first Castilian grammar and a great humanist, since he was both bishop of Seville and Grand Inquisitor. Many times did the Courts of both Aragon and Castille met to ask for a restrain in the activities of the Inquisition and in 1578 even the emperor Charles V had to enact a law reminding that only the Consejo de Castilla had the authority to grant publishing licenses.

The Inquisition began acting and very soon superseded the authority of local bishops, becoming the religious authority in matters of heresy, and therefore, in matters of book censorship. One of its activities was the creation of indices of forbidden books, which although belong to the XVI century proper, deserve some attention.

The first official index of forbidden books (Index librorum prohibitorum) was published in Rome under pope Paul IV in 1559, and was considered so severe that latter that year a decree of the Holy Office mitigated it. (10) Later on, in 1565, the Tridentine council issued a new index which included ten general rules concerning the prohibition of books and, finally, in 1571, the Congregation of the Index, an executive agency of the papal government, was created to handle all matters concerning the Church control of literature. Despite all this activity, the Spanish authorities had been composing indices for some time and would continue to do so afterwards, indices that not necessarily agreed with the contents of the Roman ones.

In 1521, cardinal Adrianus, Grand Inquisitor, issued in Tordesillas a letter forbidding the introduction in Spain of books by Luther. Later on, Charles V, alarmed by the increasing importance of reformation ideas in Germany, asked the theologians of the university of Louvain to issue a list of heretical books printed in Germany. That list, with some modifications, was to become the first index issued by the Spanish Inquisition, in 1551 under Inquisitor Fernando de Valdés, the Catalogi librorum reprobatorum, ex iudicio Academiae Louaniensis, Cum edicto Caesareae Maiestatis euulgati, Valentiae, Typis Joannis Mey Flandri, M.D.LI. Mandato Dominorum de consilio sanctae generalis Inquisitionis. It followed the Louvain list but included some Latin and Castilian books that circulated only in Spanish territory. Many more indices were to follow.'CENSORSHIP AND BOOK PRODUCTION IN SPAIN DURING THE AGE OF THE INCUNABULA
 
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Some of what was found in the Index of Forbidden Books was wide array of written works such as the following:
  1. Non-Catholic translations or versions of the Sacred Scriptures;
  2. Any books that defend heresy or schism;
  3. Any books that attack faith or morals;
  4. Books of non-Catholics on religion, unless they contain nothing contrary to the Catholic Faith;
  5. Books published without ecclesiastical approval that comment on Sacred Scripture, or those which contain new unapproved apparitions, revelations, prophecies, or devotions;
  6. Books which ridicule Catholic dogma or defend errors denounced by the Holy See....
The Catholic Church actually tried to stop laymen from possessing or reading the Bible on their own and this intensified through the Middle Ages and later, with the addition of a prohibition forbidding translation of the Bible into native languages. Many try to deny it, or say there is no proof, or that it is just a story concocted by those who were against the Catholic Church, but lets take a look.

1) Pope Innocent III stated in 1199:

... to be reproved are those who translate into French the Gospels, the letters of Paul, the psalter, etc. They are moved by a certain love of Scripture in order to explain them clandestinely and to preach them to one another. The mysteries of the faith are not to explained rashly to anyone. Usually in fact, they cannot be understood by everyone but only by those who are qualified to understand them with informed intelligence. The depth of the divine Scriptures is such that not only the illiterate and uninitiated have difficulty understanding them, but also the educated and the gifted (Denzinger-Schönmetzer, Enchiridion Symbolorum 770-771)

Source: Bridging the Gap - Lectio Divina, Religious Education, and the Have-not's by Father John Belmonte, S.J.

2) COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D.

The Council of Toulouse, which met in November of 1229, about the time of the crusade against the Albigensians, set up a special ecclesiastical tribunal, or court, known as the Inquisition (Lat. inquisitio, an inquiry), to search out and try heretics. Twenty of the forty-five articles decreed by the Council dealt with heretics and heresy. It ruled in part:

Canon 1. We appoint, therefore, that the archbishops and bishops shall swear in one priest, and two or three laymen of good report, or more if they think fit, in every parish, both in and out of cities, who shall diligently, faithfully, and frequently seek out the heretics in those parishes, by searching all houses and subterranean chambers which lie under suspicion. And looking out for appendages or outbuildings, in the roofs themselves, or any other kind of hiding places, all which we direct to be destroyed.

Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books. (Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, Scolar Press, London, England pp. 194-195)

Some may doubt that there even was a Church Council in Toulouse France in 1229, so lets check.

After the death of Innocent III, the Synod of Toulouse directed in 1229 its fourteenth canon against the misuse of Sacred Scripture on the part of the Cathari: "prohibemus, ne libros Veteris et Novi Testamenti laicis permittatur habere" (Hefele, "Concilgesch", Freiburg, 1863, V, 875). Source: The 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia

... the Council of Toulouse (1229) entrusted the Inquisition, which soon passed into the hands of the Dominicans (1233), with the repression of Albigensianism. (Source: The 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia)

1229 - The Inquisition of Toulouse imposed by Albigensian Crusaders forbids laymen to read the Bible. (Source: The People's Chronology.)

3) The Church Council of Tarragona of 1234 AD:

The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon, ruled that:

"No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned lest, be he a cleric or a layman, he be suspected until he is cleared of all suspicion."(Source: D. Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France (1910) p.14.)

4) John Wycliffe

John Wycliffe was the very first to translate the entire Bible into English, which he completed in 1382. Wycliffe translated from the Latin Vulgate. One copy of an original manuscript is in the Bodlein Library in Oxford, England. Wycliffe's Bibles were painstakingly reproduced by hand by copyists.

In 1408 the third synod of Oxford, England, banned unauthorized English translations of the Bible and decreed that possession of English translation's had to be approved by diocesan authorities. The Oxford council declared:

"It is dangerous, as St. Jerome declares, to translate the text of Holy Scriptures out of one idiom into another, since it is not easy in translations to preserve exactly the same meaning in all things. We therefore command and ordain that henceforth no one translate the text of Holy Scripture into English or any other language as a book, booklet, or tract, of this kind lately made in the time of the said John Wyclif or since, or that hereafter may be made, either in part or wholly, either publicly or privately, under pain of excommunication, until such translation shall have been approved and allowed by the Provincial Council. He who shall act otherwise let him be punished as an abettor of heresy and error."(Source: The Western Watchman "The Word of God", The English Bible Before the Reformation, page 7.)

At the ecumenical Council of Constance, in 1415, Wycliffe was posthumously condemned by Arundel, the archbishop of Canterbury, as "that pestilent wretch of damnable heresy who invented a new translation of the scriptures in his mother tongue." By the decree of the Council, more that 40 years after his death, Wycliffe's bones were exhumed and publicly burned and the ashes were thrown into the Swift river.

5) William Tyndale
William Tyndale completed a translation of the New Testament from the Greek in 1525, which the church authorities in England tried their best to confiscate and burn. After issuing a revised edition in 1535, he was arrested, spent over a year in jail, and was then strangled and burned at the stake near Brussels in October 6th, 1536. It is estimated today that some 90 percent of the New Testament in the 1611 King James Bible is the work of Tyndale. Tyndale was unable to complete his translation of the Old Testament before his death.

6) Prohibited lists of Books

In an attempt to combat the swiftly rising tide of Protestantism, the Catholic Church began maintaining lists of the prohibited books which were to be confiscated. We find on one of the lists it included:

The Revelation of AntiChrist
An exposition into the VII chapter of the Corinthians.
A disputation of purgatory, made by John Frythe.
The first book of Moses, called Genesis.
A prologue in the second book of Moses, called Exodus.
A prologue in the third book of Moses, called Leviticus.
A prologue in the fourth book of Moses, called Numeri.
A prologue in the fifth book of Moses, called Deuteronomy.
The New Testament in English, with an introduction to the epistle to the Romans.
Jonas in English.
A book made by Friar Reye against the Seven Sacraments.

Calendar of State Papers V, 18. (Source: The Reformation, by Hans J. Hillerbrand, copyright 1964 by SCM Press Ltd and Harper and Row, Inc., Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 64-15480, page 473.)

Seems as if there is much strong evidence showing that Bible possession was banned by the Catholic Church, and there is more....Catholicism's SHOCKING attitude toward the Bible!
 
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Pope Pius IV had a list of the forbidden books compiled and officially prohibited them in the Index of Trent (Index Librorum Prohibitorum) of 1559. This is an excerpt:


Rule I

All books which were condemned prior to 1515 by popes or ecumenical councils, and are not listed in this Index, are to stand condemned in the original fashion.

Rule II

Books of arch-heretics - those who after 1515 have invented or incited heresy or who have been or still are heads and leaders of heretics, such as Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Hubmaier, Schwenckfeld, and the like whatever their name, title or argumentation are prohibited without exception. As far as other heretics are concerned, only those books are condemned without exception which deal ex professo with religion. Others will be permitted after Catholic theologians have examined and approved them by the order of bishops and inquisitors. Likewise, Catholic books written by those who subsequently fell into heresy or by those who after their lapse returned into the bosom of the Church can be permitted after approval by a theological faculty or the inquisition.

Rule III

Translations of older works, including the church fathers, made by condemned authors, are permitted if they contain nothing against sound doctrine. However, translations of books of the Old Testament may be allowed by the judgment of bishops for the use of learned and pious men only. These translations are to elucidate the Vulgate so that Sacred Scripture can be understood, but they are not to be considered as a sacred text. Translations of the New Testament made by authors of the first sections in this Index are not to be used at all, since too little usefulness and too much danger attends such reading.

Rule IV

Since experience teaches that, if the reading of the Holy Bible in the vernacular is permitted generally without discrimination, more damage than advantage will result because of the boldness of men, the judgment of bishops and inquisitors is to serve as guide in this regard. Bishops and inquisitors may, in accord with the counsel of the local priest and confessor, allow Catholic translations of the Bible to be read by those of whom they realize that such reading will not lead to the detriment but to the increase of faith and piety. The permission is to be given in writing. Whoever reads or has such a translation in his possession without this permission cannot be absolved from his sins until he has turned in these Bibles ...

Rule VI

Books in the vernacular dealing with the controversies between Catholics and the heretics of our time are not to be generally permitted, but are to be handled in the same way as Bible translations. ...

Die Indices Librorum Prohibitorum des sechzehnten
Jahrhunderts (Tübingen, 1886), page 246f. Source: The Reformation, by Hans J. Hillerbrand, copyright 1964 by SCM Press Ltd and Harper and Row, Inc., Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 64-15480, pages 474, 475.

8) POPE LEO XII condemns Bible being spread

From the Encyclical UBI PRIMUM of POPE LEO XII, MAY 5, 1824:


17. You have noticed a society, commonly called the Bible society, boldly spreading throughout the whole world. Rejecting the traditions of the holy Fathers and infringing the well-known decree of the Council of Trent,[16] it works by every means to have the holy Bible translated, or rather mistranslated, into the ordinary languages of every nation. There are good reasons for fear that (as has already happened in some of their commentaries and in other respects by a distorted interpretation of Christ's gospel) they will produce a gospel of men, or what is worse, a gospel of the devil![17]

18. To prevent this evil, Our predecessors published many constitutions. Most recently Pius VII wrote two briefs, one to Ignatius, Archbishop of Gniezno, the other to Stanislaus, Archbishop of Mohileu, quoting carefully and wisely many passages from the sacred writings and from the tradition to show how harmful to faith and morals this wretched undertaking is.

19. In virtue of Our apostolic office, We too exhort you to try every means of keeping your flock from those deadly pastures. Do everything possible to see that the faithful observe strictly the rules of our Congregation of the Index. Convince them that to allow holy Bibles in the ordinary language, wholesale and without distinction, would on account of human rashness cause more harm than good.

9) POPE GREGORY XVI condemns Bible possession, public reading of Bibles, and Bible Societies

From the encyclical INTER PRAECIPUAS (On Biblical Societies) by Pope Gregory XVI, May 8, 1844:


1. Among the special schemes with which non-Catholics plot against the adherents of Catholic truth to turn their minds away from the faith, the biblical societies are prominent. They were first established in England and have spread far and wide so that We now see them as an army on the march, conspiring to publish in great numbers copies of the books of divine Scripture. These are translated into all kinds of vernacular languages for dissemination without discrimination among both Christians and infidels. Then the biblical societies invite everyone to read them unguided. Therefore it is just as Jerome complained in his day: they make the art of understanding the Scriptures without a teacher" common to babbling old women and crazy old men and verbose sophists," and to anyone who can read, no matter what his status. Indeed, what is even more absurd and almost unheard of, they do not exclude the common people of the infidels from sharing this kind of a knowledge.

4. Moreover, regarding the translation of the Bible into the vernacular, even many centuries ago bishops in various places have at times had to exercise greater vigilance when they became aware that such translations were being read in secret gatherings or were being distributed by heretics. Innocent III issued warnings concerning the secret gatherings of laymen and women, under the pretext of piety, for the reading of Scripture in the diocese of Metz.There was also a special prohibition of Scripture translations promulgated either in Gaul a little later or in Spain before the sixteenth century.

11. ... We again condemn all the above-mentioned biblical societies of which our predecessors disapproved. ... Besides We confirm and renew by Our apostolic authority the prescriptions listed and published long ago concerning the publication, dissemination, reading, and possession of vernacular translations of sacred Scriptures.

12. ... In particular, watch more carefully over those who are assigned to give public readings of holy scripture, so that they function diligently in their office within the comprehension of the audience; under no pretext whatsoever should they dare to explain and interpret the divine writings contrary to the tradition of the Fathers or the interpretation of the Catholic Church.


Notice what it says there at the end, "contrary to the tradition of the Fathers or the interpretation of the Catholic Church." So people were not free to possess, read or try to understand for themselves what the plain word of the Bible said? Amazing......
 
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My niece is Catholic and doesn't possess or read a bible.
 
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And there is more...
An extraordinary decision is found in the records of the First Council of Constantinople of 381-3, convened by Roman Emperor Theodosius. What was decided at that assembly presents an historical fact, and involved Pope Damasus, who was in attendance. He was a man so stained with impiety and so notorious with women that he was called the Tickler of Matron's Ears.(Lives of the Popes, Mann, c. 1905) The historical record shows Pope Damasus banned the Bible and the laity was strictly "forbidden to read the word of God, or to exercise their judgment in order to understand it."(The Library of the Fathers, Damasus, Oxford, 1833-45)

After he suppressed the Bible, Damasus created an array of formidable penances and additional anathemas "designed to keep the curious at bay."Early Theological Writings, G. W. F. Hegal). The chief tendency of the priesthood was to keep the Bible away from people and substitute Church authority as the rule of life and belief.

Owning a Bible was actually made a criminal offence by the Cathokic church. In 860, Pope Nicholas I, sitting high on a throne built specially for the occasion in the town square, pronounced against all people who expressed interest in reading the Bible, and reaffirmed its banned public use (Papal Decree). In 1073, Pope Gregory supported and confirmed the ban, and in 1198, Pope Innocent III declared that anybody caught reading the Bible would be stoned to death by "soldiers of the Church military."(Diderot's Encyclopedia, 1759). In 1229, the Council of Toulouse, "to be spoken of with detestation", passed another Decree "that strictly prohibits laics from having in their possession either the Old or New Testaments; or from translating them into the vulgar tongue". By the 14th Century, possession of a Bible by the laity was a criminal offence and punishable by whipping, confiscation of real and personal property, and burning at the stake.

With the Bible banned from public scrutiny by a series of Decrees, popes endorsed the public suppression of the Bible for twelve hundred and thirty years, right up until after the Reformation and the printing of the King James Bible in 1611.
 
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Everyone needs one, or they can tell you anything and lead you to the wrong path..
I gave her one, but I don't think she reads it. She hears from and talks to her dead parents so she is not yet ready to hear from God.
 
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Here is even more in this excerpt from author Bernard Starr on this issue:

'Since the Church sequestering their sanctioned Bible from the populace makes no sense, I was not surprised that some readers bristled when I recently wrote about the historic prohibitions against Christians reading the New Testament on their own, or worse, translating the Bible into a native language. One called me a liar. That too was not surprising. A few years earlier I gave a talk at an American Psychological Association meeting and afterwards lunched with a group of young Christians, some of whom also challenged my statements about the Bible prohibitions. I later sent them references documenting my claims, but never heard back from them. I've always wondered how they reacted to the citations I sent, which included:

Decree of the Council of Toulouse (1229 C.E.): "We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books."

Ruling of the Council of Tarragona of 1234 C.E.: "No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned..."

Proclamations at the Ecumenical Council of Constance in 1415 C.E.: Oxford professor, and theologian John Wycliffe, was the first (1380 C.E.) to translate the New Testament into English to "...helpeth Christian men to study the Gospel in that tongue in which they know best Christ's sentence." For this "heresy" Wycliffe was posthumously condemned by Arundel, the archbishop of Canterbury. By the Council's decree "Wycliffe's bones were exhumed and publicly burned and the ashes were thrown into the Swift River."

Fate of William Tyndale in 1536 C.E.: William Tyndale was burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English. According to Tyndale, the Church forbid owning or reading the Bible to control and restrict the teachings and to enhance their own power and importance....'Why Christians Were Denied Access to Their Bible for 1,000 Years | HuffPost

And here is a excerpt from "Vatican Archives Reveal Bible Was Once Banned Book" by Jude Webber:

'But the archives do contain some surprises.....alongside the Inquisition archives was the infamous Index of Forbidden Books, which Roman Catholics were forbidden to read or possess on pain of excommunication. They showed that even the Bible was once on the blacklist. Translations of the holy book ended up on the bonfires along with other "heretical'' works because the Church, whose official language was Latin, was suspicious of allowing the faithful access to sacred texts without ecclesiastical guidance.

Protestants, who split from Roman Catholics during the Reformation in the 16th and 17th centuries, were allowed to read holy works directly. The Index of Forbidden Books and all excommunications relating to it were officially abolished in 1966 [only 3 years prior to I becoming a Christian!]. The Inquisition itself was established by Pope Gregory IX in 1233 as a special court to help curb the influence of heresy. It escalated as Church officials began to count on civil authorities to fine, imprison and even torture heretics. It reached its height in the 16th century to counter the Reformation. The department later became the Holy Office and its successor now is called the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which controls the orthodoxy of Catholic teaching....'
 
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We just can give them the truth, but only the Holy Spirit can guide them from there...
She spent Christmas with us a few years ago and began to cry about her problems. My husband said she needed to pray but not to Mary or any saints. We told her about Jesus and our faith and she even came to my church with me a couple of time before lockdown prevented it. She talks to and hears from both her dead parents. So were here for here but like you said only the Holy Spirit can reveal the truth to her. She isn't young -52 now, my husband's brother's daughter. Brought up Catholic but lapsed.
 
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and now another decree , another bull persay has been issued .
to closely monitor the internet to ensure the truth is not getting spread .
Once it was printing presses they monitored , or tried too
but technology has advanced . Now its the internet and social engineering methods they do monitor .
Stay DUG in the bible my friends . Be in prayer .
 

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The Catholic Church has never actively discouraged the reading or studying of the Bible except in cases of heretical groups and literature.
Up until recently in history, this would not have been much of an issue. The average person couldn’t read, so there was nothing for the Church to discourage, and until the invention of the printing press, copies of the Bible were relatively rare. In those periods the Church did indeed forbid heretical groups from preaching heterodox interpretations of the Bible and the faithful from attending such gatherings. But that is a far cry from banning the faithful from learning about the Bible.

Once the printing press made copies of the Bible more available, the Church did forbid certain versions that contained heretical translations and commentary. Once again, that is far different from the claim that the Church "forbade" the faithful to read or study the Bible.
The fact that Latin Vulgate version of the Bible was available to Catholics, as were various approved vernacular translations, flies in the face of the accusation that the Church tried to keep the Bible from the faithful. The Catholic Church even produced an English version of the Bible (Douay-Rheims) before the King James Version!
 

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But do they actively encourage it?
Of course they are, but within the context of the unchanging teaching of the Church.

Additionally, if someone attends Mass every Sunday for three years, he/she will hear the majority of the Bible read to them (Liturgy of the Word) and explained to them (in the homily). If they go to daily Mass for a year, they will hear the majority of the Bible read to them and explained to them. It's all very well organized, such that, wherever you are in the world, you will hear the same readings at any Catholic Church on a given day or Sunday. (Generally speaking. Exceptions might be for a funeral Mass or wedding, or special occasion, etc.)
 

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Of course they are, but within the context of the unchanging teaching of the Church.
During my years as active Catholic [ended in 1961], I never knew a Catholic who read the Bible. There was only one Bible in our home, but no one read it.
Additionally, if someone attends Mass every Sunday for three years, he/she will hear the majority of the Bible read to them (Liturgy of the Word) and explained to them (in the homily). If they go to daily Mass for a year, they will hear the majority of the Bible read to them and explained to them.
This 3-year Bible reading practice apparently began with the Vatican II which occurred after I was gone into the world. I was an altar boy for many years and loved it when the priest read from the Bible. I always wished he would read more of it than he did. No one else read from the Bible but him while I was in attendance.

It's all very well organized, such that, wherever you are in the world, you will hear the same readings at any Catholic Church on a given day or Sunday. (Generally speaking. Exceptions might be for a funeral Mass or wedding, or special occasion, etc.)
In 1976 when God drew me back to Him through what you would call a Protestant church, I also began reading the whole of the Bible for the first time in my life, It opened up a world I had never seen or experienced before. For many years now I have been reading the Bible every day during my morning times with God. No vacations from God!
 

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and now another decree , another bull persay has been issued .
to closely monitor the internet to ensure the truth is not getting spread .
Once it was printing presses they monitored , or tried too
but technology has advanced . Now its the internet and social engineering methods they do monitor .
Stay DUG in the bible my friends . Be in prayer .
Source?
 

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During my years as active Catholic [ended in 1961], I never knew a Catholic who read the Bible. There was only one Bible in our home, but no one read it.

This 3-year Bible reading practice apparently began with the Vatican II which occurred after I was gone into the world. I was an altar boy for many years and loved it when the priest read from the Bible. I always wished he would read more of it than he did. No one else read from the Bible but him while I was in attendance.


In 1976 when God drew me back to Him through what you would call a Protestant church, I also began reading the whole of the Bible for the first time in my life, It opened up a world I had never seen or experienced before. For many years now I have been reading the Bible every day during my morning times with God. No vacations from God!
Amadeus, I'm glad you came back to God!

The Mass has always had readings from Scripture. In fact, one of the criteria that the Church used to select the 27 books (out of over 300 it analyzed) that went into the New Testament, was "is it worthy of being read at Mass?"

Christ founded a Church to spread His truths. He trained Apostles for three years...orally. He commanded the Apostles to go forth and preach (orally, not write). Eventually, some of what they taught orally was written down. We call this the New Testament. The New Testament comes from Oral Tradition (oral teachings) as referenced by St. Paul in 2 Thes 2:15.

A "bible reading, self-interpreting" Church would have excluded the vast majority of humanity from Christianity if that was one of the pillars of Christianity, because for the first 19 centuries of Christianity, the vast majority of humanity was illiterate. It has only been in the last 100 years, give or take, that universal literacy was of any interest to humanity. The average person for 19 centuries could neither read nor write.

And keep in mind that St. Peter warned against personal interpretation of Scripture in 2 Peter 1:20-21:
Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation,
for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.
 
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they are using AI to scan the internet . They are monitoring the internet and its technologies
and silencing voices that speak biblcal truth . They are watching and monitoring .
Even more so is AI gathering names into a database as well of what is considered potential terroist .
They getting ready for something big . When it comes it wont just be digital ghettos
those who speak truth are put into either . They have been always at work , these spirits that operate through men .
Only now in this last hour has the world now attained the technology to complete the work and working of
anti christ and its system . Fear it not . speak and type the truth . What is and what is to come
will come , BUT THE LORD will be with the lambs , AS HE has BEEN THROUGH ALL AGES .
But , yeah they DO MONITOR and they monitor much more effective than the common man realizes .
But again fear them not . THE LORD Is in control . HE is with the lambs no matter what is to come against us .