Were We Alive In Heaven Before We Were Born?

[MA2444]

Eze 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Num 16:22
And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?

Num 27:16
Let the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man over the congregation,

Zec 12:1
The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Heb 12:9
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

The question is: Were we alive in heaven before we were born?
And in my opinion the answer is yes and no.

The we, identified as an individual with self knowledge and a distinct identity, I don't believe that that "person" existed before birth.

The Life which God infused into the body of flesh that was created to house His Spirit, becomes the individual with self knowledge and a distinct identity as God sees fit to mold it.

We do not have eternal life in and of our own selves. Life is a gift from God alone. And Life comes from His Spirit.

So in the abstract, The very life force that makes us alive and who we are came from God.
So one could say that our very origen proceeded from God and returns to God alone.


It's not about the person, or the individual, or the identity of a seperate life force apart from God being sent into a badoy made of flesh.
But His Spirit which is life is how we have our being.
Jesus knew this. He knew thathis Spirit was not his own. And that the Father had given him a commandment that the very life force within him which came from The Father, he had permission to lay it down and take it up again.

And so Jesus says to all, take up you cross and follow me. Have faith and doubt not. Leave your own person, identity, individualism behind and let it die, and walk in my life, which is the same life the God gave to him.

The kingdom of God is within us.
The Kingdom of God is the very Spirit of God IN US.

The very same Spirit that was in Jesus.
I believe we have always had this very same Spirit, but we turned away and chose to walk in our own spirit, ego, identity, person, individual.
Jesus came to wake us up and to turn us around and seek the Kingdom of God which is God's Spirit in us.

We have always been with God. But not as who we know ourselves to be, but how God saw what we shall be.
And on the moment of conception God had a plan that the very Spirit he would unite with your body which came from him, would become whatever or whoever it would manifest into.

1Jo 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

And I understand the looking forward of what we shall be after we have done our time here.
But if you look behind, you will also see the same truth regarding conception.

You have the seed and you have the egg. Once the seed joins with the egg the seed itself dies to itself and becomes one with the egg.
Now there is neither seed nor egg as individual and separate of them selves, but the two become one.
And no one knows what that child will look like , act like, behave like, sound like, until it is born.

But God knows. Because he is the life which gives the seed and the egg the power and the mechanism in which to create that one individual.
We are not the seed, and we are not the egg. We are the combination of 3.
so cool...

1Jo 5:8
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

The earth is the flesh body that is formed by the combination of the water and the blood, but this body would not have life if it did not have Spirit. And this Spirit originated with God, lives it's life through us, and then returns to God when it's purpose for being here is done.

My dad keeps asking me, why am I still here? I tell him, because God still needs you here, but when it's time, he'll bring you home.
And no one knows what time that is but God himself.
Mat 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Back up:
Mat 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Heaven and earth... Mind and body.
When someone passes away, they no longer have capacity of the mind or the body, they are dead.
This life, this seed that we are that God planted on this earth, now gets buried in the earth, same as the seed in the egg.
And then comes the resurrection from the dead, or the conception into life.
And Paul says, it doth not yet appear what we shall be but we know when we see him we shall be like him.

The first time God came to earth as a man. The first time we have life is as child in human form.
The second time God comes to earth we shall see him as he is, even as we ourselves shall be changed from corruptible to incorruptible.

This incorruption is the very life force of God in which we had our origen. Not as an individual, but as it were a breath of God.

There is one caveat. Or that which turns the key to go from this life to the next life, from corruption to incorruption and that is our acknowledgment of God himself from which our life came from, and our belief and faith that we will return to the one that gave it.

If we don't acknowledge God in this life time, that is to say, if we deny the very existence from which we come from, our reply will be, I never knew you.
What is iniquity? It is sin? What is sin? It is the transgression of the law? What is the first commandment and greatest of them all?

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy mind and all thy soul and all thy might.

This one commandment is the very key to the Kingdom of God himself.

This is the key to life.
The key to death is to deny God and to hate your neighbor in your heart without a cause.

Mat 16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

The choice is yours. One key leads to God, the other leads to separation from God forever.

What is it to bind and to loose?
Either you believe God in your mind (heaven) and on the earth (body) and recieve the key to the Kingdom.
Or you reject God in your mind (heaven) and on the earth (in the body) and recieve the key to eternal damnation.

Deu 11:18
Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

What is between your eyes?
Your mind.

What does the hand represent?
Your body.

Heaven and earth.

Hugs

That is the best answer I have got so far. I can't comment on it yet, that's quite a bit to chew on lol. But you have made me think!

Interesting.

 

[Mr E]

Eze 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Num 16:22
And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?

Num 27:16
Let the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man over the congregation,

Zec 12:1
The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Heb 12:9
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

The question is: Were we alive in heaven before we were born?
And in my opinion the answer is yes and no.

The we, identified as an individual with self knowledge and a distinct identity, I don't believe that that "person" existed before birth.

The Life which God infused into the body of flesh that was created to house His Spirit, becomes the individual with self knowledge and a distinct identity as God sees fit to mold it.

We do not have eternal life in and of our own selves. Life is a gift from God alone. And Life comes from His Spirit.

So in the abstract, The very life force that makes us alive and who we are came from God.
So one could say that our very origen proceeded from God and returns to God alone.


It's not about the person, or the individual, or the identity of a seperate life force apart from God being sent into a badoy made of flesh.
But His Spirit which is life is how we have our being.
Jesus knew this. He knew thathis Spirit was not his own. And that the Father had given him a commandment that the very life force within him which came from The Father, he had permission to lay it down and take it up again.

And so Jesus says to all, take up you cross and follow me. Have faith and doubt not. Leave your own person, identity, individualism behind and let it die, and walk in my life, which is the same life the God gave to him.

The kingdom of God is within us.
The Kingdom of God is the very Spirit of God IN US.

The very same Spirit that was in Jesus.
I believe we have always had this very same Spirit, but we turned away and chose to walk in our own spirit, ego, identity, person, individual.
Jesus came to wake us up and to turn us around and seek the Kingdom of God which is God's Spirit in us.

We have always been with God. But not as who we know ourselves to be, but how God saw what we shall be.
And on the moment of conception God had a plan that the very Spirit he would unite with your body which came from him, would become whatever or whoever it would manifest into.

1Jo 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

And I understand the looking forward of what we shall be after we have done our time here.
But if you look behind, you will also see the same truth regarding conception.

You have the seed and you have the egg. Once the seed joins with the egg the seed itself dies to itself and becomes one with the egg.
Now there is neither seed nor egg as individual and separate of them selves, but the two become one.
And no one knows what that child will look like , act like, behave like, sound like, until it is born.

But God knows. Because he is the life which gives the seed and the egg the power and the mechanism in which to create that one individual.
We are not the seed, and we are not the egg. We are the combination of 3.
so cool...

1Jo 5:8
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

The earth is the flesh body that is formed by the combination of the water and the blood, but this body would not have life if it did not have Spirit. And this Spirit originated with God, lives it's life through us, and then returns to God when it's purpose for being here is done.

My dad keeps asking me, why am I still here? I tell him, because God still needs you here, but when it's time, he'll bring you home.
And no one knows what time that is but God himself.
Mat 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Back up:
Mat 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Heaven and earth... Mind and body.
When someone passes away, they no longer have capacity of the mind or the body, they are dead.
This life, this seed that we are that God planted on this earth, now gets buried in the earth, same as the seed in the egg.
And then comes the resurrection from the dead, or the conception into life.
And Paul says, it doth not yet appear what we shall be but we know when we see him we shall be like him.

The first time God came to earth as a man. The first time we have life is as child in human form.
The second time God comes to earth we shall see him as he is, even as we ourselves shall be changed from corruptible to incorruptible.

This incorruption is the very life force of God in which we had our origen. Not as an individual, but as it were a breath of God.

There is one caveat. Or that which turns the key to go from this life to the next life, from corruption to incorruption and that is our acknowledgment of God himself from which our life came from, and our belief and faith that we will return to the one that gave it.

If we don't acknowledge God in this life time, that is to say, if we deny the very existence from which we come from, our reply will be, I never knew you.
What is iniquity? It is sin? What is sin? It is the transgression of the law? What is the first commandment and greatest of them all?

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy mind and all thy soul and all thy might.

This one commandment is the very key to the Kingdom of God himself.

This is the key to life.
The key to death is to deny God and to hate your neighbor in your heart without a cause.

Mat 16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

The choice is yours. One key leads to God, the other leads to separation from God forever.

What is it to bind and to loose?
Either you believe God in your mind (heaven) and on the earth (body) and recieve the key to the Kingdom.
Or you reject God in your mind (heaven) and on the earth (in the body) and recieve the key to eternal damnation.

Deu 11:18
Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

What is between your eyes?
Your mind.

What does the hand represent?
Your body.

Heaven and earth.

Hugs

Excellent musings.

If, there is such a thing as past lives, the only way a record of this would be in spirit. Could you or I have been here in spirit before? -Living a life as someone else? Of course. But we wouldn't remember it. New birth, new life.... no baggage, no carry ons.

And-- it accords with scripture.

 

[Earburner]

5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.../KJV

The prophecy is about Jesus, NOT us!!!

John 5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Jesus was born from above, but we are born from beneath, through the seed of Adam.

God in no way orchestrated or pre- planned your birth and mine. We are all at free will in the day of our physical birth.

 

[Earburner]

So then, let's go back to the LIMITED thinking of Moses himself, and not that of God.

Moses knew nothing of what the gaseous elements were.
So, what did he call the act of our breathing literal Oxygenated air?
He called it "the breath of life".

And what did Religion do with that??
They foolishly call it to be "a living soul", believing that God gave to Adam and Eve a PART of Himself, but not to the animals. Really??
So here is the truth of it:
Gen. 2:7; 6:17; 7:15, 22.

Since animals DO ALSO have "the breath of life" (by Moses' limited knowledge), what then is "the breath of life", since animals DO ALSO have it?
Oxygenated air!

Did you know that most professing Christians believe the lie fabricated by Religion? As a result, they discern and interpret their bibles according to that first error.

The result is: most of what they believe about God and themselves is complete errror!!
"Man became a living soul", he didn't get one before birth, or after birth

 

[DJT_47]

Jeremiah 1:5
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.../KJV

If Jesus knew us before we were in the womb, then we were in His presence before. We know that Jesus does not force the Gospel or Salvation upon any man. He has given us free will and wont violate it. So doesnt it make sense that since Jesus never foreces Himself upon anyone, and He never changes (!) that is it possible that we agreed to come here? Or maybe even chose our parents that we would be born to?

He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, and He knew us before we were in the womb. What did we talk about? Apparently, being born with Amnesia was part of the course.

What do you think?

God knew us because of his foreknowledge not because we were alive prior to our birth

 

[MA2444]

God knew us because of his foreknowledge nor because we're were alive prior to our birth

I think we had to be. And when God breaths into our body our spirit being then we become a living soul. A living soul is different than a spirit. So we were changed when we were born into a human.

But if I am wrong, then can you tell me why I was able to recognize the Lord's voice when He came and spoke audibly to me the one time? I instantly recognized His voice and did a mental wow, because I did recognize it! I have, as Ollie North would say, no recollection of ever being with or talking to the Lord before I was born on earth so that I would be able to recognize His voice. So if I wasnt alive and concious in heaven before earth, how could I recognize His voice?

It is written, My sheep know my voice. Did they the first time you met? Or maybe we have met Him before! It makes sense. I know Mel Gibsons voice. I've never met the man but I have seen him talk. That's how I can recognize his voice.

To the best of my recollection, I dont recall ever hearing the Lord speak audibly before! Does that mean it is so?

 

[MA2444]

So then, let's go back to the LIMITED thinking of Moses himself, and not that of God.

Moses knew nothing of what the gaseous elements were.
So, what did he call the act of our breathing literal Oxygenated air?
He called it "the breath of life".

And what did Religion do with that??
They foolishly call it to be "a living soul", believing that God gave to Adam and Eve a PART of Himself, but not to the animals. Really??
So here is the truth of it:
Gen. 2:7; 6:17; 7:15, 22.

Since animals DO ALSO have "the breath of life" (by Moses' limited knowledge), what then is "the breath of life", since animals DO ALSO have it?
Oxygenated air!

Did you know that most professing Christians believe the lie fabricated by Religion? As a result, they discern and interpret their bibles according to that first error.

The result is: most of what they believe about God and themselves is complete errror!!
"Man became a living soul", he didn't get one before birth, or after birth

Bullseye. I agree. God gave us the spirit of life and when it mixed with the body in the way He designed it, (a soul was created?) and attached to the spirit to become the living soul.

So. Question. The spirit of life is indeed within the oxygenated air that we breath, if it leaves it takes the soul with it and the body dies within minutes, we know that. So did God give us an unconscious breath/spirit? How could he be unconscious?! Lol.

Animals have the spirit of life within them. They breath! But their design is is different so there is no living soul brought forth at birth, just a spirit.

Our Soul is who we are making ourselves. Our soul entered this world like a blank chalk board and all of the actions that we do write on the chalk board. The soul and the spirit are the two wolves who fight in the cherokee proverb. Which one wins? The one you feed. Good wolf/Bad wolf.

A childs first seven years of life they are programming their subconscious to be able to function. The young ones are always watching and if their not watching, they're listening! They take in everything ike a sponge.

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. And, As a man thinks in his heart, so is he as a man...So those who have been feeding the bad wolf for entertainment or whatever are programming their heart to darkness. The darker the heart, the darker will be the imagination.

The battleground is our mind. Our spirit and our soul is at battle to control the flesh!
Our spirit is conscious, he has to be because the Holy Bears Witness with man's spirit, right? That means Holy Spirit talks to our spirit. And our carnal mind does not get to listen in or hear it!

Soul is mind (carnal), will and emotions and logical and scientific and all that worldy stuff, lol. But our spirit will talk to our soul through our conscience. And since our spirit is in direct contact with Holy Spirit, he always knows what to do the best way. Do the right thing. Do the better thing.

So when you hear voices in your head pay attention to who is speaking! It's easy to tell them apart. The carnal mind talks like a punk and my spirit talks like my well intentioned friend.

I wonder if the guys in white coats are outside yet? Lol.

I have had the Lord do supernatural things right in front of me. There was no other answer except...God. And my stupid carnal mind saw everything too and he will still argue and try to instill doubt that, oh that wasnt really God, God doesn't do those things.

I'm learning to get away from identifying with my carnal self and identifying with my spirit man who has regular conversations with Holy Spirit. I'm not a sinner dirty rotten scoundrel. I am the righteousness of God in Christ. That is where I meet Christ. In spirit.

Be led by the spirit is what the scripture says. Not by the soul. Dont be carnal at all.

Actuaaly carnal doesnt mean definitely bad. It means of the 5 senses! I love forcing my soul into subjection to my spirit man! It feels satisfying. (Fasting is an easy way to do that!)

 

[MA2444]

I think I make my posts too long. Sorry about that. I got to thinking and my fingers sort of took off and start running, lol.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

I think we had to be. And when God breaths into our body our spirit being then we become a living soul. A living soul is different than a spirit. So we were changed when we were born into a human.

But if I am wrong, then can you tell me why I was able to recognize the Lord's voice when He came and spoke audibly to me the one time? I instantly recognized His voice and did a mental wow, because I did recognize it! I have, as Ollie North would say, no recollection of ever being with or talking to the Lord before I was born on earth so that I would be able to recognize His voice. So if I wasnt alive and concious in heaven before earth, how could I recognize His voice?

It is written, My sheep know my voice. Did they the first time you met? Or maybe we have met Him before! It makes sense. I know Mel Gibsons voice. I've never met the man but I have seen him talk. That's how I can recognize his voice.

To the best of my recollection, I dont recall ever hearing the Lord speak audibly before! Does that mean it is so?

I know that yuour spirit was with God before birth. Solomon told us that our spirits go back to God when we die. So they had to have been around before we were born.

It is our spirits that communicate with the Father now, as we exist.

I can see God the Father/ God the son talking to you as your spirit before you were born.

That only means that your spirit was alive... likely always has been and likely always will be because it is only your soul that could be destroyed with your body not your spirit. Matt 10:28

 

[Truthnightmare]

I know that yuour spirit was with God before birth. Solomon told us that our spirits go back to God when we die. So they had to have been around before we were born.

It is our spirits that communicate with the Father now, as we exist.

I can see God the Father/ God the son talking to you as your spirit before you were born.

That only means that your spirit was alive... likely always has been and likely always will be because it is only your soul that could be destroyed with your body not your spirit. Matt 10:28

The spirit is the intellect of the soul… If your soul is destroyed your spirit goes with it.

 

[URwrongAgain]

What do you think?

I think there is a whole lot more to the living God,
that is written in any books or with the knowledge of men.

 

[DJT_47]

I think we had to be. And when God breaths into our body our spirit being then we become a living soul. A living soul is different than a spirit. So we were changed when we were born into a human.

But if I am wrong, then can you tell me why I was able to recognize the Lord's voice when He came and spoke audibly to me the one time? I instantly recognized His voice and did a mental wow, because I did recognize it! I have, as Ollie North would say, no recollection of ever being with or talking to the Lord before I was born on earth so that I would be able to recognize His voice. So if I wasnt alive and concious in heaven before earth, how could I recognize His voice?

It is written, My sheep know my voice. Did they the first time you met? Or maybe we have met Him before! It makes sense. I know Mel Gibsons voice. I've never met the man but I have seen him talk. That's how I can recognize his voice.

To the best of my recollection, I dont recall ever hearing the Lord speak audibly before! Does that mean it is so?

God doesn't speak audibly to anyone today; he speaks to us thru his written word, so, I don't know what you heard, but it wasn't the Lord.

 

[St. SteVen]

What do you think?

I remember something about this.
I think it was a common Hebrew belief.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 NIV
and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

/

 

[URwrongAgain]

The spirit is the intellect of the soul…

This is incorrect, but you are not far off.

 

[Truthnightmare]

This is incorrect, but you are not far off.

Where is my error? Or what do you think I can add to be more accurate? I mostly agree with the following… Bullinger..

The word ruach occurs 389 times in the Hebrew O.T. n the A.V. it is rendered spirit in 237 passages (and no other word is rendered spirit except neshamah, "breath", in Job 26:4 and Prov. 20:27. See Ap. 16). In the remaining 152 places it is translated in 22 different ways, which are to be carefully distinguished.

[In the R.V. ruach is rendered spirit 224 times, and in the remaining 165 passages is rendered in many different ways.] The meaning of the word is to be deduced only from its usage. The one root idea running through all the passages is invisible force. As this force may be exerted in varying forms, and may be manifested in divers ways, so various renderings are necessitated, corresponding thereto.

Ruach, in whatever sense it is used, always represents that which is invisible except by its manifestations. These are seen both externally to man, as well as internally within man. As coming from God, it is the invisible origin of life. All apart from this is death. It comes from God, and returns to God (Ecc. 3:19, 20). Hence, ruach is used of :

1. GOD,
   as being invisible. "The Spirit of Jehovah" is Jehovah Himself, in His manifestation of invisible power.
   2Sam. 23:2. Ps. 139:7 ( = Thee). Is. 40:13.
   
   
2. THE HOLY SPIRIT:
   the Third Person of the Trinity.
   2Sam. 23:2. 1Kings 18:12; 22:24. 2Kings 2:16. 2Chron. 18:23. Neh. 9:20, 30. Job 26:13; 33:4. Isa. 40:13; 48:16; 59:19, 21; 61:1; 63:10, 1-4. Ezek. 3:12, 14 (1st); 8:3; 11:1, 24; 37:1; 43:5. Mic. 2:7; 3:8. Zech. 4:6; 6:8; 7:12. Mal. 2:15.
   
   
3. INVISIBLE DIVINE POWER MANIFESTING ITSELF
   In creation. Gen. 1:2.
   In giving life. Ezek. 37:14.
   In executing judgment--
   "blast." Ex. 15:8. Isa. 37:7.
   "breath." 2Sam. 22:16. 2Kings 19:7. Job 4:9; 15:30. Ps. 18:15; 33:6. Isa. 11:4; 30:28.
   "spirit." Isa. 4:4; 28:6; 34:16; 40:7.
   
   
4. INVISIBLE "POWER FROM ON HIGH", MANIFESTING ITSELF AS DIVINE POWER
   in giving spiritual gifts . Spoken of as coming upon, clothing, falling on, and being poured out. Rendered "Spirit", but should be "spirit".
   Gen. 41:38. Ex. 28:3; 31:3; 35:31. Num. 11:17, 25, 26, 29; 24:2; 27:8. Deut. 34:9. Judg. 3:10; 6:34; 11:29; 13:25; 14:6, 19; 15:14. 1Sam. 10:6, 10; 11:6; 16:13, 14; 19:20, 23. 2Kings 2:9, 15. 1Chron. 12:18; 28:12. 2Chron. 15:1; 20:14; 24:20. Ps. 51:11, 12; 143:10. Prov. 1:23. Isa. 11:2.; 30:1; 32:15; 42:1, 5; 44:3; 59:21; 61:1; 63:11. Ezek. 2:2; 3:24; 11:5, 19; 36:27; 39:29. Dan. 4:8, 9 18; 5:11, 12, 14. Joel 2:28, 29. Hag. 2:5. Zech. 12:10.
   
   
5. THE INVISIBLE PART OF MAN (Psychological).
   Given by God at man's formation at birth, and returning to God at his death.
   "Breath." Gen. 6:17; 7:15, 22. Job 9:18; 12:10; 17:1. Ps. 104:29; 135:17; 146:4. Ecc. 3:19. Jer. 10:14; 51:17. Lam. 4:20. Ezek. 37:5, 6, 8, 9, 10. Hab. 2:19. Zech. 12:1.
   "spirit." Gen. 6:3. Num. 16:22; 27:16. Job 27:3; 34:14. Ps. 31:5; 104:30. Ecc. 3:21; 8:8; 11:5; 12:7. Isa. 42:5. "Wind." Ezek. 37:9.
   
   
6. THE INVISIBLE CHARACTERISTICS OF MAN;
   manifesting themselves in states of mind and feeling (by the Fig.Metonymy. See Ap. 6, p.11).
   "Mind." Gen. 26:35. Prov. 29:11. Ezek. 11:5; 20:32. Dan. 5:20. Hab. 1:11.
   "Breath." Job 19:17 ( = manner).
   "Courage." Josh. 2:11.
   "Anger." Judg. 8:3.
   "Blast." Isa. 25:4.
   "Spirit." Gen. 41:8; 45:27. Ex. 6:9; 35:21. Num. 5:14, 30; 14:24. Josh. 5:1. Judg. 15:19. 1Sam. 1:15; 30:12. 1Kings 10:5; 21:5. 1Chron. 5:26. 2Chron. 9:4; 21:16; 36:22. Ezra 1:1, 5. Job 6:4; 7:11; 10:12; 15:13; 20:3; 21:4; 32:8, 18. Ps. 32:2; 34:18; 51:10, 11, 12, 17; 76:12; 78:8; 142:3; 143:4, 7. Prov. 11:13; 14:29; 15:4, 13; 16:2, 18, 19, 32; 17:22, 27; 18:14; 25:28; 29:23. Ecc. 1:14, 17; 2:11, 17, 26; 4:4, 6, 16; 6:9; 7:8, 9; 10:4. Isa. 19:3, 14; 26:9; 29:10, 24; 33:11; 38:16; 54:6; 57:15, 16; 61:3; 65:14; 66:2. Jer. 51:11. Ezek. 13:3. Dan. 7:15. Hos. 4:12; 5:4. Mic. 2:11 (by Hendiadys (Ap. 6), for a false of lying spirit).
   
   
7. Put by the Fig. Synecdoche for THE WHOLE PERSON (see Ap. 6).
   Ps.3,6; 106.33 Ezek. 21.7. Dan. 2.1,3 Mal. 2. 15,16
   
   
8. INVISIBLE SPIRIT-BEINGS.
   "Angels." Ps. 104:4.
   "Cherubim." Ezek 1:12,20, 21; 10:17.
   Neutral spirit-beings. Job 4:15. Isa. 31:3.
   Evil angels. Judg. 9:23. 1Sam. 16:14, 15, 16, 23; 18:10; 19:9. 1Kings 22:21, 22, 23. 2Chron. 18:20, 21, 22. Zech. 13:2.
   
   
9. THE INVISIBLE MANIFESTATIONS OF THE ATMOSPHERE.
   Temperature. Gen. 3:8 ("cool").
   Air.
   "Wind" or "winds" in every place where the words "wind" or "winds" occur.
   "Whirlwind." Ezek. 1:4.
   "Windy." Ps. 55:8.
   "Spirits." Zech. 6:5.
   "Air." Job 41:16.
   "Tempest." Ps. 11:6.
   "Blast." Ex. 15:8. 2Kings 19:7. Isa. 25:4; 37:7.
   "Quarters" (of the four winds). 1Chron. 9:24.
   "Side" or "sides" (of the four winds). Jer. 52:23. Ezek. 42:16, 17, 18, 19, 20.

 

[MA2444]

God doesn't speak audibly to anyone today; he speaks to us thru his written word, so, I don't know what you heard, but it wasn't the Lord.

That's the thing about experience. The man with the experience in never at the mercy of the man with a doctrine.

It happened. I don't really care if you believe it or not. You havent made any payments on my jet airplane so it doesn't matter to me if you believe it or not. I'm not here to debate your belief. We was talking about how is it possible to recognizze God's voice if we've never been to heaven? We can debate that?

I hear God's still small voice too, inside of me. I suppose I'm lying about that too? Lol. No sir. All you have done is to indicate that you need more experience in your life. Don't worry about it. Keep reading, keep praying and He will surprise you one day. I wasnt ready for it. But when Jesus walks into the room...there is no mistake who it is. He did not manifest so that I could see Him with my eyes, but I sure felt Him.

I didn't test the spirit either! There was no need to. I knew who it is and was.
Was that an evil spirit sent to lie to me and draw me astray?! Lol. What kind of evil spirit comes to people and tells them to pray to God for a certain Brother in Christ to receive help? They don't do that!

 

[Truthnightmare]

God doesn't speak audibly to anyone today; he speaks to us thru his written word, so, I don't know what you heard, but it wasn't the Lord.

I tend to agree… however I was just listening to a man who wanted to do something good before he blew his brains out…. So he gave a homeless man some money, and the homeless man said God loves you… Perhaps he speaks to us through others also.

 

[URwrongAgain]

Where is my error? Or what do you think I can add to be more accurate?

I don't know the right words so as to covey to you
so as you can receive it in understanding. The best I can do for you
now is to tell you, that I had to experience it through a situation
that I had to endure, to obtain understanding of it my own self.
Therefore some things have to be experienced in life to gain understanding of it.

 

[MatthewG]

While the mystery of babies in the womb baffles scientists. I believe that a soul is given when a woman conceived. That soul which is created is given by Yahava. Babies somehow breathe inside of a human, that is the breath of life given by God to create the soul, which I believe Yahava knows about.

Not so sure “in the womb I created and knew you” I think that is representative of that prophet at the time.

 

[Truthnightmare]

I don't know the right words so as to covey to you
so as you can receive it in understanding. The best I can do for you
now is to tell you, that I had to experience it through a situation
that I had to endure, to obtain understanding of it my own self.
Therefore some things have to be experienced in life to gain understanding of it.

That is fair… For even the Bible says we must experience certain things..

Here is the scripture you can use friend…

Romans 12:2And let not your behaviour be like that of this world, but be changed and made new in mind, so that by experience you may have knowledge of the good and pleasing and complete purpose of God.