The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

[Douggg]

There is nothing in the bible about the AC being crowned king of Israel.

I gave you the verses. Anti - a prefix meaning against and/or instead of, or both. Christ - the king of Israel.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

Matthew 27:42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

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The Jew of this parable of the fig tree generation are looking for their messiah, to be anointed the King of Israel, by a "known" prophet by what they say. That the Jews are expecting their messiah soon is common knowledge, And also they are preparing for the rebuilding of the temple.

 

[ewq1938]

I gave you the verses. Anti - a prefix meaning against and/or instead of, or both. Christ - the king of Israel.

None of the verses say anything about the AC being crowned king of Israel. Being a possible imposter of Christ does not prove a genuine crowning of king of Israel by Israel.

 

[Douggg]

None of the verses say anything about the AC being crowned king of Israel. Being a possible imposter of Christ does not prove a genuine crowning of king of Israel by Israel.

The person will not claim to be an imposter of Jesus.

From the Judaism 101 web site. Mashiach: The Messiah - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)

"The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days."

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The person who will actually anoint the Antichrist as the King of Israel will be the false prophet - initially perceived by the Jews as Elijah.

The Jews believe that the maschiach will be anointed the King of Israel by a "known" (using their words) prophet. They base that belief on Saul and David being anointed king by Samuel the prophet. And Solomon being anointed king by Nathan the prophet.

 

[grafted branch]

It is a moot issue because neither one of us is going to try to convince anyone to become a Jew.

While neither of us are trying to convert anyone to Judaism the point isn’t moot. In Revelation 2:9 we have the statement, them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Do you think there is currently a group of people, worshipping in synagogues, claiming to be Jews, but really aren’t?

 

[Earburner]

The Jew become believers in Jesus and the gospel of salvation in the middle of the 7 year 70th week in Revelation 12:10.

No! Individually, by faith, the Jews have been becoming believers in Jesus, ever since Pentecost.

 

[Earburner]

While neither of us are trying to convert anyone to Judaism the point isn’t moot. In Revelation 2:9 we have the statement, them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Do you think there is currently a group of people, worshipping in synagogues, claiming to be Jews, but really aren’t?

Actually, there are. They are known as the Rothchild family, and the many other global banking elite, that hook up with them.
All of them follow the belief system of Luciferianism, the literal worshipping of Satan, whereby they are attempting to "Save the Earth" through the global governance of the UN, aka the Image of the Beast

 

[grafted branch]

No! Individually, by faith, the Jews have been becoming believers in Jesus, ever since Pentecost.

Yea, it’s just be born again not be born again or be born with a Jewish lineage.

 

[grafted branch]

Actually, there are. They are known as the Rothchild family, and the many other global banking elite, that hook up with them.
All of them follow the belief system of Luciferianism, the literal worshipping of Satan, whereby they are attempting to "Save the Earth" through the global governance of the UN, aka the Image of the Beast

I didn’t know that, thanks for the info. Is this something that is easily found on the internet or do you have a website that explains this?

 

[Douggg]

No! Individually, by faith, the Jews have been becoming believers in Jesus, ever since Pentecost.

I was speaking corporately. The house of Israel.

Jesus's Second Coming is in Ezekiel 39:21-29.

verse 22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

 

[Timtofly]

No, I don’t believe there currently is a difference between Jew and Gentile as far as God is concerned.

But … those who do think the Jews are going to receive a different reward than Gentiles are inadvertently teaching that it would be advantageous to convert to Judaism.

Jesus nor God founded Judaism. What does Judaism have to do with redemption and God's reward? Judaism is not the continuation of the Law of Moses. Judaism is a man made religion. Judaism was what Jesus taught against, and the reason the religious leaders hated Jesus. Just like today, Christianity has been turned into a man made religion with a set of laws loosely based on Scripture, but mostly on human philosophy and theology.

One could say today, that God sees no difference between Gentile Christianity and Jewish Judaism because both lead men astray. The only Salvation is in Christ and both groups have to give up their religion and follow Christ. Salvation is not a religion of human relations. Salvation is a relationship with God without any middle men peddling a religion.

Both Jews and Gentiles are going to recieve a different reward than the church will, after the Second Coming. Those who are left on the earth to be judged at the Second Coming, will not receive the reward of the church who is rewarded at the Second Coming.

The church is rewarded in the 5th Seal. Those on earth both Jew and Gentile will receive their reward after standing in Judgment before Jesus as King, who comes to the earth in the 6th Seal. It still will not matter if one is Jew or Gentile, but the Jews will have the nation where Jesus is King. The Gentiles will have all the surrounding nations to rule over.

The point is that Israel were God's chosen people even to the point Jesus Himself was born from Judah. That is what makes them different. They were called out and separated from the world several times. Abraham was called out of Mesopotamia. Israel was called out of Egypt. At the Second Coming Israel will once again receive a called out and separated status from other nations. But Gentiles, when it comes to God's elect, will also be redeemed out of Adam's state of death passed on to all mankind. This is not just about Israel as a nation. It is about the end of sin, and the beginning of everlasting righteousness, to say Israel will be restored. Judaism will not continue any more than Christianity will after the Second Coming. There will be no need as all on earth will be redeemed. The reward is not about being Jew or Gentile. It is about being faithful to God.

 

[grafted branch]

I was speaking corporately. The house of Israel.

Jesus's Second Coming is in Ezekiel 39:21-29.

verse 22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

Jeremiah 19:11 And shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Even so will I break this people and this city, as one breaketh a potter's vessel, that cannot be made whole again: and they shall bury them in Tophet, till there be no place to bury.

When did or will this be fulfilled? Before or after Ezekiel 39:22?

 

[grafted branch]

Jesus nor God founded Judaism. What does Judaism have to do with redemption and God's reward? Judaism is not the continuation of the Law of Moses. Judaism is a man made religion. Judaism was what Jesus taught against, and the reason the religious leaders hated Jesus. Just like today, Christianity has been turned into a man made religion with a set of laws loosely based on Scripture, but mostly on human philosophy and theology.

One could say today, that God sees no difference between Gentile Christianity and Jewish Judaism because both lead men astray. The only Salvation is in Christ and both groups have to give up their religion and follow Christ. Salvation is not a religion of human relations. Salvation is a relationship with God without any middle men peddling a religion.

Both Jews and Gentiles are going to recieve a different reward than the church will, after the Second Coming. Those who are left on the earth to be judged at the Second Coming, will not receive the reward of the church who is rewarded at the Second Coming.

The church is rewarded in the 5th Seal. Those on earth both Jew and Gentile will receive their reward after standing in Judgment before Jesus as King, who comes to the earth in the 6th Seal. It still will not matter if one is Jew or Gentile, but the Jews will have the nation where Jesus is King. The Gentiles will have all the surrounding nations to rule over.

The point is that Israel were God's chosen people even to the point Jesus Himself was born from Judah. That is what makes them different. They were called out and separated from the world several times. Abraham was called out of Mesopotamia. Israel was called out of Egypt. At the Second Coming Israel will once again receive a called out and separated status from other nations. But Gentiles, when it comes to God's elect, will also be redeemed out of Adam's state of death passed on to all mankind. This is not just about Israel as a nation. It is about the end of sin, and the beginning of everlasting righteousness, to say Israel will be restored. Judaism will not continue any more than Christianity will after the Second Coming. There will be no need as all on earth will be redeemed. The reward is not about being Jew or Gentile. It is about being faithful to God.

Let me ask you this, do you think some believers are going to inherit or receive the promised land while other believers will not? If so what is it based on?

 

[Earburner]

I didn’t know that, thanks for the info. Is this something that is easily found on the internet or do you have a website that explains this?

As you will see, Luciferian beliefs appeal to the flesh and our fleshly mind, of which has only knowledge for the well being of our physical bodies. It is incapable of understanding the mind of Christ. Therefore the best that can be generated from our natural minds is "the wisdom of men", of which always appeals to the flesh, especially in the attempt to "Save the Earth".

Unfortunately, Premil believers could be quickly deceived by such a belief, because they are already part way there, by their false belief of a Kingdom of Christ on earth for 1000 years.
1 Cor. 2:5, 14
5. That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The principals of Luciferianism

What Are the Principles of Luciferianism?

Luciferianism, sometimes confused with Satanism, is a belief system that holds many of the same principles as Rennaissance humanism.

www.learnreligions.com

Now you know who it is that is behind UN Agenda 2030. It really is the "synagogue of Satan".
Yes, believe it or not, many who are of the Global Elite, are indeed Jewish, attempting to save this planet.
Of course, 2 Peter 3:10 says otherwise.

 

[Douggg]

Jeremiah 19:11 And shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Even so will I break this people and this city, as one breaketh a potter's vessel, that cannot be made whole again: and they shall bury them in Tophet, till there be no place to bury.

When did or will this be fulfilled? Before or after Ezekiel 39:22?

Jeremiah 19:11 is back in the days before the Babylonian captivity.

 

[grafted branch]

Jeremiah 19:11 is back in the days before the Babylonian captivity.

Ok, so the obvious next question is how can this city and people, who can’t be made whole again (Jeremiah 19:11), be gathered into their own land and have left none of them any more there (Ezekiel 39:28)?

I can understand how a New Jerusalem and spiritual Jew can give an answer to this but I don’t think you believe that way.

 

[Douggg]

Ok, so the obvious next question is how can this city and people, who can’t be made whole again (Jeremiah 19:11), be gathered into their own land and have left none of them any more there (Ezekiel 39:28)?

Jeremiah 19:11 refers to the generation that went into Babylonian captivity for 70 years. It was a later generation - that comes out of the Babylonian captivity, that rebuilt the city and walls. Nothing to do with Ezekiel 39.

Ezekiel 39 is 2500 years later, in our days. Ezekiel 39 is time of the end, latter days, latter years. The parable of the fig tree generation that will experience Jesus's Second Coming.

The Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39 is close. The Jews, Judaism, also believe that.

 

[covenantee]

The Jew become believers in Jesus and the gospel of salvation in the middle of the 7 year 70th week in Revelation 12:10.

At least 8,000 Jews were saved after Calvary during the last half of the 70th week.

Acts 2:41
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 4:4
Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.

But as with the entirety of humanity, only a remnant of Israel will ever be saved.

Romans 9:27
Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Isaiah 10:22
For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.

 

[Douggg]

At least 8,000 Jews were saved after Calvary during the last half of the 70th week.

The 70th week is still unfulfilled.

 

[covenantee]

The 70th week is still unfulfilled.

Fulfilled completely and perfectly by Christ at Calvary.

8,000 Jews disagree with you.

 

[Douggg]

Fulfilled completely and perfectly by Christ at Calvary.

8,000 Jews disagree with you.

You don't speak for 8000 Jews, who embraced the gospel of salvation 2000 years ago.

Just stick to the 7 year 70th week which ends with Jesus's Second Coming in both Revelation and in Ezekiel 39.