The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

[Douggg]

He will return on a white horse as a king for the first time on Earth.

I have already proven him as a king is prophecy that did not happen at the first coming. His kingdom was not from here.

No, you did not. Jesus presented Himself as the King of Israel that comes in the name of the Lord, by riding the donkey in John 12:12-15.

When Jesus returns he comes as King of kings, Lord of lords, bringing the kingdom of heaven with Him to be the Kingdom of God here on earth over all kingdoms of the earth. Not just Israel.

The Antichrist will be anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah by the Jews.

 

[ewq1938]

No, you did not. Jesus presented Himself as the King of Israel that comes in the name of the Lord, by riding the donkey in John 12:12-15.

He would eventually be that king, he said the same when he said being a king was the end of his coming. He refused to say he was a king when asked, and said his kingdom was not here, but elsewhere which was heaven.

 

[Earburner]

So you don't think Ezekiel 39 is going to take place ?

Ezk 39 cannot take place as to the words written**. All of it is an "IF/THEN" prophecy.

"IF" Israel obeyed God's voice,
"THEN" they would be blessed by Him.

"IF" Israel disobeyed God's voice,
"THEN" God would curse and chastise them....even to death.

It is known as "The Age of Indignation", which is THAT world (Age) that came to an end, on the Day of Jesus' death and resurrection.
Heb. 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

**Hear what Jesus said to the Jews:
Luke 19:
41And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the THINGS which BELONG unto thy peace! but NOW THEY are HID from thine eyes.”
43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
Therefore the judgment of God came upon the house of Israel, causing all the Promises made to them by God, to become null and void!

Individually, the only hope that each Isralite can NOW hope for, is to have faith in the Risen Christ.

 

[Douggg]

He would eventually be that king, he said the same when he said being a king was the end of his coming. He refused to say he was a king when asked, and said his kingdom was not here, but elsewhere which was heaven.

In John 12:12-15, Jesus is not saying that he would be the King of Israel that comes in the name of the Lord - in the future.
Jesus demonstrated by riding donkey right then that He was that King of Israel right then, fulfilling Zechariah 9:9 and Daniel 9:25.

 

[Douggg]

Ezk 39 cannot take place as to the words written**. All of it is an "IF/THEN" prophecy.

Ezekiel 39 is not an if/then prophecy. But a it is going to happen prophecy.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Ezekiel 39 is not an if/then prophecy. But a it is going to happen prophecy.

Ezekiel 39 is not an "if/then" prophecy, nor "is going to happen" prophecy. It is being fulfilled right now if you know who the armies of Gog and Magog exactly are. And it is not taking place in the Middle East where the nation "Israel" is.

Eze 38:13
(13) Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

Sheba, Dedan and MERCHANTS of Tarshish and all young lions represent Christians. Those with Spirit of Christ can "see" and "prophesy" against the armies of Gog and Magog who are attacking the Church and made her desolate by spoiling her silver, gold, cattle and goods. Sounds familiar?

Rev 18:11-16
(11) And the MERCHANTS of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
(12) The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
(13) And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
(14) And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
(15) The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
(16) And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

The gold, silver, cattle, and goods that the merchants are selling to the world signify GOSPEL . The merchants are prophesying that the great city has fallen because the false prophets and christs (army of Gog and Magog) came into church and spoiled it, replacing Christ and His Truth (signifies with all merchandise that God gave to the woman (Church) in the first place) with lying signs and wonders. It is happening right now if you have spiritual eyes to see but it seems that you are too busy looking for physical fulfillment over there in the Middle East waiting for Israel to wage physical war with Russia or Iran or whatever. You are missing the true spiritual nature of the battle of Armageddon that is taking place.

 

[ewq1938]

In John 12:12-15, Jesus is not saying that he would be the King of Israel that comes in the name of the Lord - in the future.
Jesus demonstrated by riding donkey right then that He was that King of Israel right then, fulfilling Zechariah 9:9 and Daniel 9:25.

No, he was not a king right then or any time during his life. I have already shown that.

 

[Douggg]

No, he was not a king right then or any time during his life. I have already shown that.

No you have not. Like the pharisees, you refuse to acknowledge that Jesus was the King of Israel that comes in the name of the Lord, riding on a donkey, that Jesus Himself did to fulfill the scripture in John12:12-15.

 

[Earburner]

Are you the one who use to post on Topix and told us over and over that planet x was
going to come into the orbit of the earth? Are you that person?

On any public forum, it is not to say who anyone is or who anyone is not. We are not here to investigate each other, but rather the KoG, who is Jesus.

Therefore how we all personally grow in our relationship with the Lord, is going to be far different than anyone elses.

When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus 'Lord, what about him?'
Jesus said to him, 'If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? Follow me!" (John 21:20-22).

 

[Earburner]

Ezekiel 39 is not an if/then prophecy. But a it is going to happen prophecy.

If Christians cannot recognize the truth of the Age of Indignation being ENDED, at the time of Jesus' death and resurrection, then to them there is no Age of God's Grace since Pentecost .
EDIT: to God Himself, His offer of salvation, through faith in Jesus, IS the MOST important "work" that He has performed of all, AND FOR ALL. KJV Dan. 9:24.

The Holy Spirit, through Paul, did not and cannot LIE, WHEN He said:
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once IN the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. KJV Heb. 9:26

Q. Was there an "end of the world" literally taking place BEFORE Jesus appeared??
A. No!!

However, there was an END "determined" TO ISRAEL ("to thy people and to thy holy city"), as prophesied, in KJV Dan. 9:24-27.

Q. So then, what world/age ended?
A. The Age of Israel, as being God's chosen people. Since Pentecost to NOW, there is no difference between the Jew and the Gentile before God. But some here surely do want to disbelieve God, and try to convince us otherwise.

If that Age didn't END, there NEVER WOULD BE the Age of God's Grace, through faith in Jesus. It is ONLY by Jesus willing to come to us AS "the Lamb OF God", in mortal flesh, that God's Grace was issued!
But, if that were not the case, then God would have ENDED THE WHOLE WORLD right THEN and There, in His INDIGNATION with Israel.

 

[Douggg]

If Christians cannot recognize the truth of the Age of Indignation being ENDED, at the time of Jesus' death and resurrection, then to them there is no Age of God's Grace since Pentecost .

The Holy Spirit, through Paul, did not and cannot LIE, WHEN He said:
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once IN the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. KJV Heb. 9:26

Q. Was there an "end of the world" literally taking place BEFORE Jesus appeared??
A. No!!

However, there was an END "determined" TO ISRAEL ("to thy people and to thy holy city"), as prophesied, in KJV Dan. 9:24-27.

Q. So then, what world/age ended?
A. The Age of Israel, as being God's chosen people. Since Pentecost to NOW, there is no difference between the Jew and the Gentile before God. But some here surely do want to disbelieve God, and try to convince us otherwise.

If that Age didn't END, there NEVER WOULD BE the Age of God's Grace, through faith in Jesus. It is ONLY by Jesus willing to come to us AS "the Lamb OF God", in mortal flesh, that God's Grace was issued!
But, if that were not the case, then God would have ENDED THE WHOLE WORLD right THEN and There, in His INDIGNATION with Israel.

What does any or what you wrote have anything to do with Ezekiel 39 ?

 

[MatthewG]

@Earburner, God used the Romans to put Israel and their whole world into ashes. It happened as promise, and all material religion is now done away with. There is nothing of Israel today that even matters in my opinion.

 

[Earburner]

No you have not. Like the pharisees, you refuse to acknowledge that Jesus was the King of Israel that comes in the name of the Lord, riding on a donkey, that Jesus Himself did to fulfill the scripture in John12:12-15.

Yes! As He did also fulfill the six works of God in the 70th week, as prophesied in KJV Dan. 9:24.

 

[Earburner]

What does any or what you wrote have anything to do with Ezekiel 39 ?

It has nothing to do with Ezk 39, because that prophesy for and about Israel is now meaningless.The Age of Israel was ENDED, and therefore all prophecies concerning Israel, are now altogether ended and are also MEANINGLESS.
Evidently you didn't read and study KJV Luke 19:41-42.

 

[Earburner]

@Earburner, God used the Romans to put Israel and their whole world into ashes. It happened as promise, and all material religion is now done away with. There is nothing of Israel today that even matters in my opinion.

The origin of Israel's destruction began when Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice for sin, which is over and above all sacrifices with animals.

To God the Father, the most abominable "abomination", was when Israel caused the shedding of the Innocent blood of Jesus, God's only begotten Son. Proverbs 6:16-19.
See that fulfillment by Israel in Mat. 27:24-25.

 

[MatthewG]

Modern Israel is different than ancient Israel. You don’t see them killing Christians in the street. Not to say extremism doesn’t exist.

 

[Earburner]

Modern Israel is different than ancient Israel. You don’t see them killing Christians in the street. Not to say extremism doesn’t exist.

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Are there not Christians among the Palestinians? Indirectly, they are being killed in those streets!

Palestinian Christians - Wikipedia

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[MatthewG]

Are there not Christians among the Palestinians? Indurectly, they are being killed in those streets!

Palestinian Christians - Wikipedia

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Could be I don’t know: that has no affection on the plagues and closings age of Israel and the old covenant being done away with, along with material religion cause all of it burned down in 70 Ad.

Have you been there your self first hand? Extremism is still a problem but there was nothing like the great tribulation, of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

 

[Douggg]

It has nothing to do with Ezk 39, because that prophesy for and about Israel is now meaningless.The Age of Israel was ENDED, and therefore all prophecies concerning Israel, are now altogether ended and are also MEANINGLESS.
Evidently you didn't read and study KJV Luke 19:41-42.

Luke 19:41-42 is about the 70 AD event.

There is no such thing as "The Age of Israel". The nation of Israel is over there right now.

 

[grafted branch]

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Doug, you have blindness in full happing to Israel until some future date. The blindness in part had to do with believing in Jesus but still wanting the old covenant. This is seen in Acts 21:20 Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law.

New wine goes into new wine skins and old wine into old skins. Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

The old covenant died when the veil was torn, when Hebrews was written it was decaying like a dead body and ready to vanish away. The reason it wasn’t buried when it first died was because no one who was under the old covenant straightway desired the new covenant.

As 2 Peter 3:9 says the Lord is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. The time given to Israel for the transition from old covenant to new covenant is long past.