The (7th) Abomination That Maketh Desolate

[grafted branch]

No, persons who become Jews by the rabbinic process they will not, because they have to deny Jesus and the gospel of salvation as part of their conversion.

That may be the rules given by those who are claiming to be Jews today but there are no scriptural rules that state a person has to deny Jesus or the gospel to become a Jew.

Where ever that rabbinic process comes from it wouldn’t qualify as being in agreement with the Mt. Sinai covenant, so they also wouldn’t be those who are in view prophetically speaking.

 

[Douggg]

That may be the rules given by those who are claiming to be Jews today but there are no scriptural rules that state a person has to deny Jesus or the gospel to become a Jew.

Where ever that rabbinic process comes from it wouldn’t qualify as being in agreement with the Mt. Sinai covenant, so they also wouldn’t be those who are in view prophetically speaking.

It is a moot issue because neither one of us is going to try to convince anyone to become a Jew.

 

[Earburner]

I am asking you about the vision in Daniel 9:21-24. That will prove the 70th week is still unfulfilled.

Excuse my interjecting, but KJV Dan. 9:21-23 proves nothing of anything about the 70th week being still unfulfilled, however verse 24 DOES.
Please tell us all, who it is that you think shall fulfill the six works that God lists in verse 24, and when it should take place.
But, before you do, you might want re-read
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

So then, since you do intend to see something of those six works unfulfilled, surely you must know which one(s) have been put off into the far future.

Here is that list. Please list your choice(s) that are still to be finished in the future:
KJV Dan. 9:24
Seventy weeks are  DETERMINED upon THY people and upon THY holy city,
1. to finish the transgression, and
2. to make an end of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
6. to anoint the most Holy.

 

[ewq1938]

After revealing himself to be man of sin by sitting in the temple proclaiming to the world that he has achieved God-hood, Ezekiel 28:1-10 indicates that he will be assassinated by strangers to him, verse 7.

Revelation 13:14 wounded by the sword and did live.

"wounded" is a verb in the Perfect Passive Participle tense. Perfect is equivalent to past tense in English meaning the wound had happened before it rose out of the sea meaning before the AC is even known to the world not that this is the AC but the tense disproves your belief that AC rises up then is wounded at some point. You need to take a beginners course in Greek Grammer so you are more familiar with verb tenses etc.

 

[Douggg]

"wounded" is a verb in the Perfect Passive Participle tense. Perfect is equivalent to past tense in English meaning the wound had happened before it rose out of the sea meaning

Agreed. The person is killed before the he becomes the beast-king.

meaning before the AC is even known to the world

No, the person becomes known to the whole world by being anointed the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah by the Jews.

The person will no longer be the Antichrist, phony King of Israel, once he becomes the beast-king. But the dictator of the EU instead, the kingdom of the ten horns (kings).

 

[ewq1938]

Agreed. The person is killed before the he becomes the beast-king.

Yet you claim it's after he is revealed as the man of sin, which is the AC role by another name. For you to be correct, this death would have to happen before he is known as the man of sin. The other issue is the ten horned beast isn't the AC so this wound doesn't happen to him. Not to emntion there is no death or resurrection mentioned. It's a wound that could kill, but it heals and it happens to a land where a kingdom is.

No, the person becomes known to the whole world by being anointed the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah by the Jews.

That isn't from the bible.

The person will no longer be the Antichrist, phony King of Israel, once he becomes the beast-king. But the dictator of the EU instead, the kingdom of the ten horns (kings).

Non-biblical. Stick to the actual bible please.

 

[Douggg]

Here is that list. Please list your choice(s) that are still to be finished in the future:
KJV Dan. 9:24
Seventy weeks are  DETERMINED upon THY people and upon THY holy city,
1. to finish the transgression, and
2. to make an end of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
6. to anoint the most Holy.

As the 70 weeks apply to the Jews and Jerusalem - all of them.

So then, since you do intend to see something of those six works unfulfilled, surely you must know which one(s) have been put off into the far future.

The text does not say "six works". You could say six things if you wanted to.

 

[Douggg]

Yet you claim it's after he is revealed as the man of sin, which is the AC role by another name.

No, being the revealed man of sin is not another role of the AC, by another name.

No more that being governor and being president are the same. Being the Antichrist, then being the revealed man of sin, then being the beast-king - is referring to the same person, but not the same functional roles, one follows the other. Just as being governor and president are two different functional roles.

 

[Douggg]

That isn't from the bible.

Right from the bible.

John 12:12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

The Jews are looking for their King of Israel messiah. That person will turn out to be the Antichrist. There are plenty of You Tube videos by rabbi's and other Jews expecting their messiah.

 

[Douggg]

Excuse my interjecting, but KJV Dan. 9:21-23 proves nothing of anything about the 70th week being still unfulfilled,

The vision in Daniel 9:21-24 refers to the time of the end vision about the little horn in Daniel 8. The vision is 2300 days long. And as such requires the full 70th week to fit into.

 

[covenantee]

You are beating a dead horse, covenantee. Armageddon... have you ever heard of that ? It is in Revelation 16:14-17. It takes place as the end of the 7 year 70th week. It is in Ezekiel 39.


Ezekiel 39. Gog/Magog event. Then the 7 years in verses 9-10. Corresponding to the 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

The prince who shall come following Gog/Magog will be perceived to be the messiah by Jews and anointed the King of Israel, by the false prophet of Revelation, perceived to be Elijah initially by Jews.

Anointed as the King of Israel messiah, the person becomes the Antichrist. He begins the 7 years by confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years in Daniel 9:27, by the method required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, by overseeing the reading of the law from the temple mount (the place of God's choosing) to the nation of Israel, the 7 year cycle in those verses.

The Antichrist betrays his own people the Jews about 3 years into the 7 years, by his transgression of desolation act, Daniel 8:13, and Jews reject him as continuing at their King of Israel. End of his time as the Antichrist.

Killed for his act in Ezekiel 28:1-10, and brought back to life in Isaiah 14:18-20, to become the beast-king of Revelation, the dictator of the EU - his original origin.

The Jews, currently blinded, Romans 11:25, will see the light and turn to Jesus - who will return to this earth in Zechariah 14, at the end of the 7 years to rescue them.

In Ezekiel 39:17-20, at the end of the 7 years is the Armageddon event.

In Ezekiel 39:21-29, is Jesus Himself speaking in the text having returned to this earth, His Second Coming.

Ezekiel 39:21 - read Psalms 2:8. Ezekiel 39:22 - what Jew presently think about Jesus will change, from that day and forward.

Ezekiel 39:28 - is what Jews call the final redemption, i.e. all of the house of Israel completely returned to the land of Israel. Corresponds to Matthew 24:31, the gathering of the elect the Jews still scattered in the nations.

The dead horse is the one you're trying to ride.

You've provided nothing but the errant private interpretations of the fantasies and fallacies of modernist Darby/Scofield Jesuit dispensational futurism, spawned in the apostasy of the papist counter-Reformation.

The "prince who shall come" is none other than "Messiah the Prince", established prophetically, historically, and grammatically.

It is He who completely and perfectly fulfilled Daniel 9:24 long ago at Calvary in the midst of the undecapitated 70th week.

It is He, not a blasphemous dispensational antichrist, who confirmed the covenant with many. Matthew 26:28.

It is He who caused sacrifice and oblation to cease with His once and final Sacrifice at Calvary.

It is He who destroyed Jerusalem and obliterated all vestiges of the decayed vanished old covenant (Hebrews 8:13), coronating His everlasting New Covenant and Kingdom in the hearts of His one and only Chosen People, His Church.

Ephesians 3:21
Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

 

[Douggg]

The dead horse is the one you're trying to ride.

You've provided nothing but the errant private interpretations of the fantasies and fallacies of modernist Darby/Scofield Jesuit dispensational futurism, spawned in the apostasy of the papist counter-Reformation.

The "prince who shall come" is none other than "Messiah the Prince", established prophetically, historically, and grammatically.

It is He who completely and perfectly fulfilled Daniel 9:24 long ago at Calvary in the midst of the undecapitated 70th week.

It is He, not a blasphemous dispensational antichrist, who confirmed the covenant with many. Matthew 26:28.

It is He who caused sacrifice and oblation to cease with His once and final Sacrifice at Calvary.

It is He who destroyed Jerusalem and obliterated all vestiges of the decayed vanished old covenant (Hebrews 8:13), coronating His everlasting New Covenant and Kingdom in the hearts of His one and only Chosen People, His Church.

Ephesians 3:21
Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

You have to do better than making a speech. Armageddon ? Does it take place as an event leading up to Jesus's Second Coming, in Revelation?

 

[covenantee]

You have to do better than making a speech. Armageddon ? Does it take place as an event leading up to Jesus's Second Coming, in Revelation?

Fulfilled New Testament Scripture makes my speech.

Nothing more is needed.

 

[covenantee]

You have to do better than making a speech. Armageddon ? Does it take place as an event leading up to Jesus's Second Coming, in Revelation?

In God's New Will and Testament, all covenants and promises are fulfilled only in Christ, and in those who are in Christ.

The OT covenants and promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator, coming into full force and effect upon His death.

If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following or its equivalent:

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses in their entirety, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void unless yet another new will and testament is made which re-includes it.

Thus we see:

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God`s New Will and Testament is everlasting:

Hebrews 13
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.

There is none greater.

We see other new promissory clauses of the New Will and Testament in:

Matthew 21:33-45
In this parable, the son, who is identified as the heir, typifies Christ.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

If you deny that God has appointed His Son alone as heir of all things, you declare God to be a liar.

His New Will and Testament contains even better promises:

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Such as:

Hebrews 11
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Additional promissory clauses in...:

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

...declare that we who are in Christ are joint heirs with Him.

But it is clear and plain:

There are no promissory clauses for anyone, Jew or Gentile...

Who is not in Christ.

 

[grafted branch]

In God's New Will and Testament, all covenants and promises are fulfilled only in Christ, and in those who are in Christ.

The OT covenants and promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator, coming into full force and effect upon His death.

If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following or its equivalent:

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses in their entirety, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void unless yet another new will and testament is made which re-includes it.

Thus we see:

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God`s New Will and Testament is everlasting:

Hebrews 13
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.

There is none greater.

We see other new promissory clauses of the New Will and Testament in:

Matthew 21:33-45
In this parable, the son, who is identified as the heir, typifies Christ.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

If you deny that God has appointed His Son alone as heir of all things, you declare God to be a liar.

His New Will and Testament contains even better promises:

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Such as:

Hebrews 11
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Additional promissory clauses in...:

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

...declare that we who are in Christ are joint heirs with Him.

But it is clear and plain:

There are no promissory clauses for anyone, Jew or Gentile...

Who is not in Christ.

I completely agree with your post, I was going to post many of those same verses you did when Doug said that the Jews will be worshipping the one true God with old covenant sacrifices at some future point.

Sometimes I wonder if the futurist believe Christ died for the Gentiles but not the Jews. I don’t know, it’s a head scratcher for sure.

 

[Earburner]

As the 70 weeks apply to the Jews and Jerusalem - all of them.


The text does not say "six works". You could say six things if you wanted to.

Attacking my challenge to you reveals side stepping behavior.
Of the six works of God, which one(s) must be accomplished far into the future, after Jesus' death and resurrection?

 

[Earburner]

Of the things contained in Daniel 9:24 is to seal up the vision and prophecy. Surely, you believe that Jesus's Second Coming is prophecy?

The vision is that of little horn person's time of the end activities in Daniel 8. In Daniel 8:25, the little horn is broken by the Prince of princes - Jesus. At Jesus's Second Coming.

In a previous post, I made reference to the Age of Indignation through keeping the Law, which came to it's end in the day of Jesus' death and resurrection, of which immediately put the whole world under the Age of God's Grace, through faith in Jesus.

As the Book of Revelation is for the "church", so also was the Book of Daniel for Israel.

 

[ewq1938]

The Jews are looking for their King of Israel messiah.

There is nothing in the bible about the AC being crowned king of Israel.

 

[Douggg]

There are no promissory clauses for anyone, Jew or Gentile...

Who is not in Christ.

The Jew become believers in Jesus and the gospel of salvation in the middle of the 7 year 70th week in Revelation 12:10.

 

[Douggg]

Attacking my challenge to you reveals side stepping behavior.
Of the six works of God, which one(s) must be accomplished far into the future, after Jesus' death and resurrection?

Regarding what Gabriel spoke of in Daniel 9:24 to complete the 70 weeks as they pertain to the Jews and Jerusalem - all of them, to be accomplished in the parable of the fig tree generation - i.e. the generation when the Jews the regained Jerusalem, in 1967.

1. to anoint of the most Holy - Jesus's return to this earth to reign and rule over the nations. Psalms 2 the Armageddon event, why do the heathen rage and image a vain thing....
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

2. to seal up the vision and prophecy - fulfillment of the little horn's time of the end activities and him being broken by the Prince of princes Jesus. And fulfillment of all time of the end prophecies, in the bible.

3. to finish the transgression - completion of the 70 weeks, by Jesus's Second Coming - in Ezekiel 39:21-29, Revelation 19.

4. to make reconciliation for iniquity - when the house of Israel knows that Jesus is the LORD their God from that day and forward, Ezekiel 39:22, and brought back out of the nations... Ezekiel 39:24-27...

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

5. to bring in everlasting righteousness - at Jesus's return when Jesus brings the kingdom of heaven to be the kingdom of God the ruling kingdom over the nations here on earth.

6. to make an end of sins - when the Jews embrace the gospel of salvation in Christ, in the middle of the 7 years, in Revelation 12:10