Once saved, always saved is a myth.

[MatthewG]

People are lied to by others, or deceived by their feelings, in saying that a one time prayer to God, means your saved forever and ever. And a person doesn't have a change of heart, and there is no seen happenstance on the things of Heaven rather than so much of the Earth itself, even though we live here have jobs, have some hobbies and do activities.

When a person comes to Yahavah, and they are coming with their heart and continue in the relationship - that is a person who is saved to the kingdom of God.

When a person says the name Jesus one time, but doesn't really believe in their heart, but at the time are putting trust in what Susie said, that person has no change and no continued relationship with God, yet is told they are saved now.

That doesn't make it true.

There are people out there whom come to God, and they pray, and they start off having joy, and embrace the world but when persecution comes up because of the word they tend to shy away and they become withered.

There are people whom are devout said "Christians", but they can sometimes come off as cold and hateful.

There aer some people who give God a chance, but then they say ah I do not want nothing to do with this, and God lets them go.


To say people are saved, and are once saved always saved for a single prayer one time - is BS... and Im not saying there is not a person out there who prayed that one time and continued to go on to seek out God.

There is just no promised to being saved to the Kingdom of Heaven without continuance of faith which pleases God, and because of faith and the Word of God, a person is made right with God, and they continue to live a life for God.



Some see these people who decide by choice to turn away from God, as though they are really bad horrible evil people, when they could do good things in their community. They see them as useless, and deemed as trash... just because they renounced their faith... God still calls out to them...

But human beings, rather leave the stabbed man on the street for 6 minutes before calling the police in new york, let alone themselves help.


That is why I find the idea, Once saved always saved a lie... You can't promise someone that. A person has to choose to have a desire to be saved to the Kingdom of God, being adopted by Yahavah, putting him first and they are his children, and they love him first, and love others, while at the same time taking care of oneself (loving yourself is to grow in wisdom and knowledge.)

 

[Phil .]

@Phil ., okay. That is why the subject at hand is so divisive, but there is reasoning for the circumstance.

People struggle. Sometimes the world comes in, and chokes the word out of people. That is why anyone who says "oh just say this prayer one time and you will be saved forever", and not continue in relationship, and have no change of heart, or anything like is just a bunch of bullhockey. But apparently people who have been told this lie, continue to think they are okay... there is no supplement of supplication to God or any seeking in faith.

People can believe a lie as small as, hey just do this one time and that is it. You are justified sanctified, and God loves you no matter what (even that gossip about susy sally and her lazy butt not doing shoot! He doesnt need your attention hell, and he will give all your hearts desire from riches to everything material.

What exactly do you think being saved means or is?

 

[MatthewG]

What exactly do you think being saved means or is?

The current way that I feel, I don’t really desire to answer your question buddy. I’ve shared it on this post somewhere if you wanna go find it you can. The only saved that is concerning to me, is being saved to the kingdom of God, going to be with Yahavah and the Lamb in the Heavenly Jerusalem. People who are saved from a former life which they were dying in and now coming to a life which life giving and now are finding peace in by dying to the old life, wonderful and fantastic stories of what Yahavah can do for people by the spirit, isn’t it? There is a wide range to define saved… in general.

Just look below via Greek, the third page is Hebrew.

 

[Phil .]

The current way that I feel, I don’t really desire to answer your question buddy. I’ve shared it on this post somewhere if you wanna go find it you can. The only saved that is concerning to me, is being saved to the kingdom of God, going to be with Yahavah and the Lamb in the Heavenly Jerusalem. People who are saved from a former life which they were dying in and now coming to a life which life giving and now are finding peace in by dying to the old life, wonderful and fantastic stories of what Yahavah can do for people by the spirit, isn’t it? There is a wide range to define saved… in general.

Just look below via Greek, the third page is Hebrew.

It’s a very simple question with a very simple answer.

As a future is not and can not be experienced, if one is to be saved it will be now or not at all. That has nothing to do with whether stories are wonderful or not.

 

[MatthewG]

You seem to miss the whole message @Phil . Terrible way to respond someone who was hoping you had something more meaningful to say. There is only one last day for breathe, perhaps many people come to faith on that day, or they say “f” you to God. Resurrected, and placed where they are to reside, as per what is shown in the biblical narrative.

That’s the point I guess people are missing, you don’t know what was on your moms heart or dads heart when they died. You hope…
For the future aspect to be good. Don’t you?
Some don’t, some say good riddance that man is in hell!

 

[Phil .]

You seem to miss the whole message @Phil . Terrible way to respond someone who was hoping you had something more meaningful to say. There is only one last day for breathe, perhaps many people come to faith on that day, or they say “f” you to God. Resurrected, and placed where they are to reside, as per what is shown in the biblical narrative.

That’s the point I guess people are missing, you don’t know what was on your moms heart or dads heart when they died. You hope…
For the future aspect to be good. Don’t you?
Some don’t, some say good riddance that man is in hell!

Of course not. Saved is without judgment. Hope for something meaningful is denial.

 

[MatthewG]

You seem to miss the whole message @Phil . Terrible way to respond someone who was hoping you had something more meaningful to say. There is only one last day for breathe, perhaps many people come to faith on that day, or they say “f” you to God. Resurrected, and placed where they are to reside, as per what is shown in the biblical narrative.

That’s the point I guess people are missing, you don’t know what was on your moms heart or dads heart when they died. You hope…
For the future aspect to be good. Don’t you?
Some don’t, some say good riddance that man is in hell!

For me personally I believe no one goes to hell, when they die because Jesus overcame it.

Jesus said all will rise,
”Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.“
‭‭John‬ ‭5‬:‭28‬-‭29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There is a kingdom of heaven with people inside and outside of it,

”I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.“
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22‬:‭13‬-‭19‬ ‭KJV‬‬


As far as concern of what the Bible shares, there is two different descriptions and destinations, people going inside the kingdom of heaven, and those outside of the kingdom.


@Phil . , what is it you are looking for? If I can help you out I’ll sure try.

 

[BlessedPeace]

I spoke for myself, what is about me, what does apply to me, which was offered for me to freely choose, to Have, Possess Forever, kept unto me Forever, By the power of God IN me.
(Converted)…Kept by the Power of God.

I spoke of people in general, which is about them, offered to them, to freely choose that their choice applies to them;

# 1 (Converted) to Take and have salvation forever, By the Power of God IN Them…

# 2 (Believers, not converted) people who choose to Not have the power of God IN them, or have Salvation forever, but Hope when they die they will be saved, people who think themselves are strong enough to keep Believing by their Own power….and are not saved and can Fall away.

#3(Unbelievers) people who choose to Reject Belief in God.

# 1 Applies to me.
#2 Appears to Apply to you.
#3 Applies to neither you or me.

The anti-eternal salvation argument is weak,fails eternally,and is proffered by those who don't actually study scripture. Have you noticed?

We are told we do not save ourselves. It is a gift of God by grace and it is irrevocable. Which means, it never ever is cancelled by God.

We don't save ourselves. That's why we cannot boast that we do.


God calls whom he will to his grace. No one comes to Jesus unless this happens. And this is because God's Holy Spirit enters in and let's the Good News reach us. Let's it make sense.
Until then,when that is the mechanism by which God calls us into his irrevocable gift, we cannot save ourselves. Because the things of God don't make sense, are foolishness to us.

All that I've written there is in the Bible.

Sure, Christians can lose faith. However, Jesus tells us,of all that the Father gives him,he will lose none.

We are reborn in Christ as God's chosen. There is not a single scripture that tells us that regeneration into a new creation,reborn in him, is stripped away and reversed so to return us to our former condemned,dead in our sins,state, if we lose faith.

Why? Because God knows all things within his creation that operates exactly as God plans.

If we lose faith in God,it doesn't mean God loses faith in us. Or,strips his gift. "I shall lose none."

There are those who insist eternal salvation is a lie. It isn't eternal. It can be lost.

Here's the thing.

That's a lie.
God never said it.

Arguing with that which believes in that lie is foolishness. How do we argue with believers in a lie? When as Christians we are living God's eternal irrevocable truth.

See,that's the true fact a lie cannot tolerate. Because a lie is perishable and dies before the light of truth.

As it should.

That is why believers in the lie will never,can never,be correct in their protestations against truth.








Eternal Salvation.God's free irrevocable gift through grace.

Hallelujah!
We know the truth. And the truth has set us free.

 

[Phil .]

what is it you are looking for? If I can help you out I’ll sure try.

Seeking, looking for something, hoping… are all really “for a better experience”.
This is perfect as is. The suffering is of the judgement or judging, such as “terrible”.
As judgment is relinquished, so too is the suffering felt, and therein, so too is the looking.

 

[MatthewG]

Seeking, looking for something, hoping… are all really “for a better experience”.
This is perfect as is. The suffering is of the judgement or judging, such as “terrible”.
As judgment is relinquished, so too is the suffering felt, and therein, so too is the looking.

Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

From your crypt responses it's hard to tell what you are looking for. I can't answer every cry on the internet, and I am not God. How can I ever help anyone else truly, when Yeshua, the messiah is the only one that can help the human heart.

All the best to you though @Phil . My encouragement would be to seek out the Living God, Yahavah.

 

[Phil .]

And that’s how denial works.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

From your crypt responses it's hard to tell what you are looking for. I can't answer every cry on the internet, and I am not God. How can I ever help anyone else truly, when Yeshua, the messiah is the only one that can help the human heart.

All the best to you though @Phil . My encouragement would be to seek out the Living God, Yahavah.

Anyone who insists God's grace gift of eternal irrevocable Salvation is not true, as they do when insisting Salvation can be lost, is not helping anyone.
Not even themselves. Because they are false.

 

[MatthewG]

Anyone who insists God's grace gift of eternal irrevocable Salvation is not true, as they do when insisting Salvation can be lost, is not helping anyone.
Not even themselves. Because they are false.

Can you explain what you mean? And how you come to that understanding from scripture? I’ve seen you post a few times and go on to avoid some questions that were asked.

Gods gift of grace can be rejected. God who lives in people, will move out of those who do not want him there.

 

[Taken]

The anti-eternal salvation …

Never heard that term before…but think we are on the same page.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[BlessedPeace]

Can you explain what you mean? And how you come to that understanding from scripture? I’ve seen you post a few times and go on to avoid some questions that were asked.

Gods gift of grace can be rejected. God who lives in people, will move out of those who do not want him there.

I've never avoided a question. I refuse to repeat myself to those who don't actually care about the answer.

 

[MatthewG]

I've never avoided a question. I refuse to repeat myself to those who don't actually care about the answer.

All the best blessing best peace to you and your family brother it’s all about love as far as I’m concerned, I’m not really worried if you think that because of my believing that once saved always saved is a mock in the face of Jesus Christ.

I do personally believe that because of the death and burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. All people have been saved from death, Satan, hail and sin. Those people have not been freed from the bondage of sin, because of being reborn again, in order to have freedom of that bondage of sin

I also believe, faithful believers can lose faith and walk, and turn away from God. Some people look at these believers as though they were trash, and they were void, and they were never meant for nothing, and they were meant for destruction as far as God‘s concern

So I don’t really understand they’re going back-and-forth between each other either you want to be with God because you understand that Jesus Christ is paid for you and now the blood is allowed you to be able to move forward and spirit. All I can do is encourage people to look and seek for truth, and seek God in spirit and in truth, there’s nothing more I can do.

The only good that comes from me is from the Lord Jesus Christ in the end of things, because it’s his spirit that lives within me and comes and shows love and mercy and kindness and peace with other people as I go about my life.

Some people believe God shows them and there’s nothing they can absolutely do about it. Whatsoever, you know where I still love my brothers and sisters who believe that once saved always saved as a thing. That’s fine if you believe that go ahead and believe that.

But if you want truth, you gonna have to look into the Bible and figure it out because that’s where you’re gonna find some people like to have a lot of it some people only like to have a little bit of it some milk drinkers some meat eaters, and some people like to have a full portion plate at least some extent or another. You have a good one brother and take care.

I use my voice to record this message thank you

edited for two words not picked up.

 

[MatthewG]

I believe it was a post somewhere I never got an answer for, but I don’t hold that against because we all fail in the eye of God to even be holy, it’s impossible without him, @BlessedPeace. God bless you. :)

I believe the question pertained to do you believe God is doing the choosing, or are we able to choose God? Some people believe in a thing called irresistible grace?

 

[BlessedPeace]

I believe it was a post somewhere I never got an answer for, but I don’t hold that against because we all fail in the eye of God to even be holy, it’s impossible without him, @BlessedPeace. God bless you. :)

I believe the question pertained to do you believe God is doing the choosing, or are we able to choose God? Some people believe in a thing called irresistible grace?

That's not true.

You got answers.You just refuse to acknowledge them. Big difference.

 

[MatthewG]

That's not true.

You got answers.You just refuse to acknowledge them. Big difference.

Okay, well thank you anyway, for your thoughts on what you believe concerning the subject once saved always saved. I hope that you have a good night and rest in the Lord Jesus Christ. It may have been my fault. Perhaps other people may desire to comment on the subject, any further than what has already been discussed already concerning it. God loves each of us equally, and God has no favorites out of the bunch in my opinion. Jesus came and returned and captured the bride saving them, and today, all people wander in the Garden of Eden spiritually. Some spiritually dead, some spiritually alive. Choosing to partake of the tree of life, and all choose whether or not to choose the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God is spirit, and Jesus the Son of God said his FAther looks for people to worship him in spirit and truth. That is good things to go on, in faith trusting him as the one whom gives all that we need to be sustained in this life, opposed the opposition the fleshly way, which is to become dead to.

 

[Taken]

Anyone who insists God's grace gift of eternal irrevocable Salvation is not true, as they do when insisting Salvation can be lost, is not helping anyone.
Not even themselves. Because they are false.

The IGNORANCE of Believing God SAVES a mans soul….and then Revokes his salvation is ludicrous on it’ face.

No mans SOUL, BECOMES “SAVED”….
UNtIL AFTER A BODILY DEATH

and WHAT Body….physically DEAD OR accounted “IN Lords Record Book of LIFE”…as having Bodily Died UNTO GOD (crucified with CHIRST JESUS” BODY) whereby NO NAME can be blotted out….

Can that physically (bodily) dead man or spiritually accounted dead man…commit sin against God and LOSE his Salvation.

Probably too deep, but none the less the TRUTH.