YES, Lord Jesus Christ DID Claim To Be GOD

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Aunty Jane

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That's just really a stupid... statement above, just like a BLIND PHARISEE JEW would say like those Jesus was rebuking in John 8, and told them that He is The I AM...

John 8:56-59
56 "
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad."

57 Then said the Jews unto Him, "Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast Thou seen Abraham?"

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Jesus said unto them, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

59 Then took they up stones to cast at Him: but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
KJV
That whole argument has already been shown to be false many times.....Jesus never said “I Am”, supposedly claiming to be God.....
“So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”.....

Jesus was answering a question about his age, not his status as a deity.

According to Strongs....Jesus used....”εἰμί eimí, i-mee'; the first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic):—am, have been, × it is I, was.”

So in keeping with the question that was put to him....Jesus said “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born.... “I was” or “have been”.
Not meaning that he was God, but that he was alive before Abraham was.

There is no connection between Exodus 3 and John 8.....that connection was formed by an apostate church centuries ago to support something the Bible never taught.
 

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Exactly....no sin laden human could give his life for the one that Adam threw away by his disobedience. All of Adam’s descendants were now sinners.
It required a sinless mortal human to be born into the correct line of descent, at the correct location, and at the right time, according to the prophesy that the Jews consulted in Daniel so as to know when Messiah was due to arrive......Jesus fulfilled all of those prophesies in his birth.....but an immortal God cannot die for the sins of a mortal man. The one offering the sacrifice had to be a sinless, 100% mortal human in order to be “the last Adam”......
1 Cor 15:45...
“So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

“Atonement” is “at-one-meant”...one for one....equivalent....to satisfy God law....”an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life”.....a sinless life had to be offered for a sinless life, to cancel the debt.....God did not need to come to earth as a human because in order to redeem mankind....he sent his “servant” to fulfill that role which he did willingly.
Can God be his own servant?
Acts 4:27....
“For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel”.

The word “servant” there in Greek is “pais”...and it means.....
  1. a child, boy or girl
    1. infants, children
  2. servant, slave
    1. an attendant, servant, spec. a king's attendant, minister” (Strongs)
In Matt 12:18 Isaiah is quoted with reference to Jesus.....

“BEHOLD, MY SERVANT [“pais”] WHOM I HAVE CHOSEN;
MY BELOVED IN WHOM MY SOUL is WELL-PLEASED;
I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT UPON HIM,
AND HE SHALL PROCLAIM JUSTICE TO THE GENTILES.”
(NASB)

Jesus is God’s “holy servant”.....though he is not identified as a “bond servant” (“doulos”) which signifies a slave in servitude to a Master....Jesus was not that kind of servant. Jehovah was his God and Father whom he willingly served, not his “Master”.

Yes, which is why God transferred the life force of his firstborn son into the womb of a Jewish virgin in order for him to be born as a mortal human and give his life for ours.......it was to fulfill prophesy, and in keeping with the demands of God’s unchangeable law.

Not true...and no scripture says so.....Adam was created “in God’s image” because God wanted all mankind to reflect his qualities and love for creation in their assigned role here on earth......it was the apostate “church” who said Jesus was ‘God incarnate’ and thus the false idea about Christ’s true identity was born, and forced into ambiguous scripture by the “weeds” of Jesus parable who surfaced not long after the death of the apostles......this is an ancient lie perpetuated by a corrupt church down to this day.

Jesus was “sent” by his God and Father (John 17:3)......God did not send himself for a role he could not personally perform.....first of all....an immortal cannot die.....and an immortal being sacrificed for the atonement of a mere mortal is not equivalency.

All I ask is that you read the scriptures and see that the Bible does not support this doctrine that most of Christendom has been taught is a foundational doctrine......the foundation is faulty, so when the storm comes (and it is coming) the whole building will collapse....all who remain in it will go down with it. (Rev 18:4-5)
Jesus was God.
 
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The reason Emmanuel was God,Jesus born to die so to redeem his Elect,is because a man could not die and do this.

He had to be perfect and without sin in order to take the sins of the Elect upon himself and die and become the propitiation for sins.

Only God is perfect. Only God could come in the full form of human,since he created us from himself in his image and likeness,and accomplish that.
The real reason was because Jesus could not be a descendant of Adam if he was to take on the sins of this world. Hence the reason the virgin birth is so important.
 
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No, it says the opposite.

The real reason was because Jesus could not be a descendant of Adam if he was to take on the sins of this world. Hence the reason the virgin birth is so important.
They just cannot see past their indoctrination......it’s there plainly stated in the scriptures and the denial just makes them look blind. (2 Cor 4:3-4)
 

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That whole argument has already been shown to be false many times.....Jesus never said “I Am”, supposedly claiming to be God.....
“So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”.....

Jesus was answering a question about his age, not his status as a deity.
What you say is false, plain and simple. I suppose you believe Jesus did not say the following about Himself either...

Rev 1:7-8
7 Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.

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I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, Which is, and Which was, and Which is to come, the Almighty.
KJV


Try to REVERSE that with your lies from the unbelieving Jews.

Oh, and then there's this:

Matt 1:21-23
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins.

22
Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel", which being interpreted is, God with us.
KJV

... verse 23 underlined as quoted from Isaiah 7...


Isa 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
KJV


Isa 9:6-7
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and
his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
KJV


Jesus Christ above is also called "The mighty God", and "The everlasting Father"!

So HOW could any Jew of the Jew's religion totally MISS that OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURE ABOUT JESUS CHRIST! And even TODAY'S JEWS, LIKE HERE ON THIS FORUM, just FLAT DENY THOSE BIBLE SCRIPTURES, while CLAIMING they are CHRISTIANS. Just how is that??
 

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Really quite amazing to see.
But not unexpected or something new....
Both the Lord Jesus and the apostles made this quotation from Isaiah’s prophecy....
“For the heart of this people has grown thick, and with their ears they have heard with annoyance, and they have shut their eyes; that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back; and I heal them.” (Isa 6:10; Matt 13:15; Acts 28:27)
 
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The real reason was because Jesus could not be a descendant of Adam if he was to take on the sins of this world. Hence the reason the virgin birth is so important.
Again, nothing but FALSENESS with the statements above!

Mary's geneaology: NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURE.


Luke 3:23
23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
KJV


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continued ....

Luke 3:38
38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth,
which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
KJV

Brethren in Christ, the Jews don't know the New Testament Scriptures, they don't study them. They only pull bits and pieces out that they 'think' they can use against Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ. That is why they completely LIE... against the very Luke 3 Scripture above about Lord Jesus' flesh lineage through Mary, which goes ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE MAN ADAM IN GOD'S GARDEN!

The Matthew 1 genealogy list is that of Mary's husband Joseph, not Mary's and not Jesus'. But the Luke 3 genealogy is Mary's and Jesus', and begins at verse 23 with Mary's father "Heli". Because of the Jew's tradition that the male lineage always follows the father's, that is why that, "being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph" phrase is written there in Luke 3:23. It is to show that Jesus was immaculately conceived in Mary's womb by The Holy Spirit, as written. It was only 'assumed'... that Jesus was the flesh son of Joseph, when the Scripture reveals Joseph had no sexual relations with Mary, her still being a virgin involving Jesus' conception by The Holy Spirit.
 
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What you say is false, plain and simple. I suppose you believe Jesus did not say the following about Himself either...

Rev 1:7-8
7 Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.

8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, Which is, and Which was, and Which is to come, the Almighty.
KJV


Try to REVERSE that with your lies from the unbelieving Jews.

Oh, and then there's this:

Matt 1:21-23
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins.

22
Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel", which being interpreted is, God with us.
KJV

... verse 23 underlined as quoted from Isaiah 7...

Isa 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
KJV


Isa 9:6-7
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and
his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
KJV


Jesus Christ above is also called "The mighty God", and "The everlasting Father"!

So HOW could any Jew of the Jew's religion totally MISS that OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURE ABOUT JESUS CHRIST! And even TODAY'S JEWS, LIKE HERE ON THIS FORUM, just FLAT DENY THOSE BIBLE SCRIPTURES, while CLAIMING they are CHRISTIANS. Just how is that??
Let me give you a challenge....look at each of the verses you quoted, and show me one direct statement where either God or his Christ categorically stated that Jesus was ‘God incarnate’.

You read those scriptures without any knowledge as to their real meaning...why? Because there is no personal study done outside of Christendom’s false teachings. You are seeing the words of the “weeds” planted by God’s enemy, and trying desperately to make scripture say what it never did.

Is Jesus a “mighty god”? YES! He is by definition because he is “a divine mighty one”, (which is what a god is in scripture) but he is not “Almighty” as you may have missed.....can Jesus be an “eternal father”...YES! Because a father is a life giver and Jesus is responsible for the everlasting life his sacrifice imparts to his faithful disciples.
Why did you leave out “Prince of Peace”? What is a Prince? He is the son of a king and these sons often ruled in co-regency with their fathers.

You can post all the scripture you like but you will never find a direct statement confirming that Jesus is God because the truth is, he never was and never will be.
Even in heaven, Jehovah is the God of Jesus.
The Revelation, written long after Jesus returned to heaven has Jesus stating....(Rev 3:12)

“‘He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comesdown out of heaven from My God, and My new name.”

Can God have a God in heaven? Four times in that one verse Jesus confirms that Jehovah is still his God.
What is the name of Jesus’ God? He only has one name (Psalm 83:18)...but Jesus has many...and he mentions a “new” one here.

You really have been blinded....but obviously you intend to stay that way and that of course is your choice.....we will all stand before the same judge, and no one will be able to plead ignorance.
 

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The real reason was because Jesus could not be a descendant of Adam if he was to take on the sins of this world. Hence the reason the virgin birth is so important.
That is actually confusion and... Biblical illiteracy of God's Word as written.

Thinking that Jesus' flesh could not descend from the man Adam, because Adam's original sin, ain't nothing but flesh philosophy of man, and not Bible Scripture. Maybe write a book on that fake philosophy of man and there'd probably be enough idiots out there that would buy it.

By the devil and his servants crucifying Immanuel (God with us) Jesus The Christ, God The Son, upon the cross, that is HOW... Jesus of Nazareth, GOD born in the flesh, DEFEATED death AND the devil, for us, and thus the remissions of the sins of those who believe.

Heb 2:14
14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
KJV

Heb 9:15
15 And for this cause He is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
KJV

1 John 3:8
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
KJV

That is why many times in the Old Testament, the devil tried to destroy the 'Seed' of the symbolic Woman which Jesus Christ would be born through. The first attempt was with Abel, then by trying to split up Abraham and his wife which God has promised His covenant through, etc., all the way down to the time of king Herod who sent his men to go kill all firstborn in the land in hopes of killing baby Jesus. Satan was trying to prevent Christ's coming to die on the cross, because he had to have known it would mean his defeat, and also thus defeat of the power of death which God assigned to him because of his sin of first rebellion.
 
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It is to show that Jesus was immaculately conceived in Mary's womb by The Holy Spirit, as written.
Oh, so you are Catholic.....you actually believe in the immaculate conception......say no more. That explains a lot.
 

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Jesus is not his Father. They are two separate personalities.

In ISAIAH 9:6... Jesus is called "The mighty God" and "The everlasting Father".

So you shouldn't make false statements that God's Word goes directly against.
 

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Oh, so you are Catholic.....you actually believe in the immaculate conception......say no more. That explains a lot.
Yes,your post explains you are not JW.


What was the purpose of the virgin birth?​

God used the virgin birth to provide Jesus with a perfect human body so that Jesus could save mankind from sin and death. (John 3:16; Hebrews 10:5) God transferred Jesus’ life to the womb of Mary. Thereafter, God’s holy spirit evidently shielded the developing embryo from acquiring any imperfection.—Luke 1:35.
Jesus was thus born a perfect human, an equal to what Adam had been before he sinned. The Bible says of Jesus: “He committed no sin.” (1 Peter 2:22) As a perfect man, Jesus could pay the ransom to redeem humans from sin and death.—1 Corinthians 15:21, 22; 1 Timothy 2:5, 6.
 

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Not true. If you read the passage in Greek you will see exactly what the Jews said to Jesus and what his reply was.....
John 10:31-36...
“Once again the Jews picked up stones to stone him. 32 Jesus replied to them: “I displayed to you many fine works from the Father. For which of those works are you stoning me?” 33 The Jews answered him: “We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy; for you, although being a man, make yourself [theos] a god.” 34 Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are [theos] gods”’? 35 If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of [ho theos] God came—and yet the scripture cannot be nullified— 36 do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am the son of [ho theos] God’?”

Read it carefully because in the Greek, the definite article is used selectively....meaning that the word “theos” doesn’t only mean “God”... it also pertains to those who are authorised by God to act in his behalf... “a god-like or divine one”. The use of the definite article “ho” identified God in that verse and as Jesus indicates, it also denotes the judges in Israel whom God himself called “gods”......Jesus is saying that he can rightly be called “the son of ho theos” because he is his Father’s divine representative.

That above Scripture reference above is just a BALONEY interpretation using a CORRUPT BIBLE TRANSLATION. The John 10:33 verse does NOT say "a god".


Note all the Bible version translations of that John 10:33 verse which points to GOD, and not to
"a god" which is a false addition to The Bible!

KJ21
The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy and because thou, being a man, makest thyself God.”
ASV
The Jews answered him, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
AMP
The Jews answered Him, “We are not going to stone You for a good work, but for blasphemy, because You, a mere man, make Yourself out to be God.”
AMPC
The Jews replied, We are not going to stone You for a good act, but for blasphemy, because You, a mere Man, make Yourself [out to be] God.
BRG
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
CSB
“We aren’t stoning you for a good work,” the Jews answered, “but for blasphemy, because you—being a man—make yourself God.”
CEB
The Jewish opposition answered, “We don’t stone you for a good work but for insulting God. You are human, yet you make yourself out to be God.”
CJB
The Judeans replied, “We are not stoning you for any good deed, but for blasphemy — because you, who are only a man, are making yourself out to be God .”
CEV
They answered, “We are not stoning you because of any good thing you did. We are stoning you because you did a terrible thing. You are just a man, and here you are claiming to be God!”
DARBY
The Jews answered him, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
DLNT
The Jews answered Him, “We do not stone You for a good work, but for blasphemy— even because You, being a human, are making Yourself God”.
DRA
The Jews answered him: For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, maketh thyself God.
ERV
They answered, “We are not killing you for any good thing you did. But you say things that insult God. You are only a man, but you say you are the same as God! That is why we are trying to kill you!”
EASY
The Jewish leaders answered, ‘We do not want to kill you because of any good things that you have done. We want to kill you because you are speaking against God. You are only a man, but you are saying that you are God.’
EHV
“We are not going to stone you for a good work,” the Jews answered, “but for blasphemy, because although you are a man, you make yourself out to be God.”
ESV
The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”
ESVUK
The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”
EXB
·They [The Jewish leaders; L The Jews] answered him, “We are not ·killing [L stoning] you because of any good work you did, but ·because you speak against God [L for blasphemy]. You are only a human, but you ·say you are the same as God [claim to be God; L make yourself God]!”
GNV
The Jews answered him, saying, For the good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and that thou being a man, makest thyself God.
GW
The Jews answered Jesus, “We’re going to stone you to death, not for any good things you’ve done, but for dishonoring God. You claim to be God, although you’re only a man.”
GNT
They answered, “We do not want to stone you because of any good deeds, but because of your blasphemy! You are only a man, but you are trying to make yourself God!”
HCSB
“We aren’t stoning You for a good work,” the Jews answered, “but for blasphemy, because You—being a man—make Yourself God.”
ICB
The Jews answered, “We are not killing you for any good work you did. But you say things that are against God. You are only a man, but you say you are the same as God!”
ISV
The Jewish leaders answered him, “We are not going to stone you for a good action, but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, are making yourself God!”
PHILLIPS
“We’re not going to stone you for any good things,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy: because you, who are only a man, are making yourself out to be God.”
JUB
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we do not stone thee, but for blasphemy; and because thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
KJV
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
AKJV
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
LSB
The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself God.”
LEB
The Jews answered him, “We are not going to stone you concerning a good deed, but concerning blasphemy, and because you, although you are a man, make yourself to be God!”
TLB
They replied, “Not for any good work, but for blasphemy; you, a mere man, have declared yourself to be God.”
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Was Jesus just repeating King David or did God really forsake Jesus?

When Jesus quoted from Psalms 22 while on the cross, with, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?", He was still teaching.

God gave prophecy through His servant king David about Christ's future crucifixion about a thousand years before it happened, even including the event of the soldiers casting lots of His clothing.

So did the Jews not know that Psalms 22 prophecy about Christ's crucifixion? I about guarantee some of them did know, and either hated Jesus all the more for it (as the wicked "workers of iniquity"), or some believed on Jesus because of His quoting it.

Either way, Jesus was showing, "Hello, it's Me...!" even teaching while upon His cross.
 

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So, you're witnessing, Jesus is GOD the FATHER HIMSELF ?

That is VERY TRUE, Jesus is GOD come in the flesh, because when Jesus was born in the flesh, His death on the cross was a work INVOLVING HIS FLESH BODY in order to defeat the devil and death. (Hebrew 2:14). Jesus' flesh is not how He is ONE with The Father though.

Jesus' Spirit as Immanuel (God with us), never stopped being ONE with The Father in Heaven, even while He was in a flesh body.

If you do not understand this, then it means you don't understand what Jesus said about the difference between flesh and spirit, which is a matter that probably the majority of brethren in Christ don't understand, but are supposed to...

John 3:6
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
KJV
 
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