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So then Christ had to die for them as sinners. The Cross is where the elects sins are blotted out Col 2:13-14No, the Lord automatically applies what Jesus did on the Cross to them because.... they are not at the age of accountability yet.
The calvinists claim God sends babies to hell because calvinists are of their father the devil... View attachment 42803
They dont need a saviour until they sin. They dont need Jesus when they are born. Im going to let it go with that statement of yoursObviously, the do not need a savior until they have sinned. Until they have sinned, they are not lost. Eze 18:20 "The person who sins will die...."
How does a spiritually dead depraved sinner who hates God, place God into their life ?When it comes to totally depraved and unable to choose God, I would say no. Are we depraved of the spiritual needs until one places God into their life, I would say yes.
Romans 10:17 - So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. Hebrews 11:6 - And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.How does a spiritually dead depraved sinner who hates God, place God into their life ?
Thats new to me ! A spiritually dead person moving spiritually from a position of hatred to God, even though hes at enmity against God Rom 8:7-8Romans 10:17 - So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. Hebrews 11:6 - And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.
A person can move from a position of hatred.
Being born again? I know the flesh can’t please God.Thats new to me ! A spiritually dead person moving spiritually from a position of hatred to God, even though hes at enmity against God Rom 8:7-8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Correct, a person before they can believe in Christ, because of their spiritual depravity and inability, must be born again, a new creation !Being born again? I know the flesh can’t please God.
You have to hear the gospel don’t you for that to happen?Correct, a person before they can believe in Christ, because of their spiritual depravity and inability, must be born again, a new creation !
Well as I deal only with the "five points" all other arguments to me are irrelevant.IThose five points do present a view of Calvinist soteriology, but there is more that is wrong with Calvinism than just those five points.
And that is why (at least in all the circle of believers I have known for over 50 years) Those that do not staunchly hold to all five of either side have come to be known as three point, or four point Calvinists or three or four point armeniasts.That is simply not true. There are aspects of both that are true and there are aspects of both that are false. I believe that there is more truth in Arminianism than in Calvinism, but that is not necessarily an acceptance of Arminianism as biblical.
Well according to one on this thread, they have until they are 20 until they are accountable. So if they 18 are years old, and commit a pedophile rape and then murder the child, their sins are not held against them because they have not reached that mythical age of accountability.So they never needed a Saviour ? They were never the objects of Christs seeking and Saving ? Im asking Lk 19:10
10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Once you brought Christ into the equation, He saves sinners. You are just exalting the flesh ! Babies are born flesh, and need to be born again Jn 3:3-6God does not count their sin against them before they reach the age of accountability.
That would be un just.
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No, you cant hear spiritually without spiritual hearing which comes from being born againYou have to hear the gospel don’t you for that to happen?
Those people are just exalting the flesh.Well according to one on this thread, they have until they are 20 until they are accountable. So if they 18 are years old, and commit a pedophile rape and then murder the child, their sins are not held against them because they have not reached that mythical age of accountability.
The sad reality of this line of thinking from th eone you answer, is that each and every person goes throu an Adam and Eve type of trial . they are born "saved" or whatever one wishes to call it and until they reach their 2220th birthday (as the writer you responded openly declared in post 1076) they are ot held accountable for any of their sinful actions.Once you brought Christ into the equation, He saves sinners. You are just exalting the flesh ! Babies are born flesh, and need to be born again Jn 3:3-6
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
I know that. they want to be able to take some credit for seeing theirselves get saved. The human ego is so connivng! but we must keep bringing SCripture to them for as Paul wrote:Those people are just exalting the flesh.
No, you cant hear spiritually without spiritual hearing which comes from being born again
You cant hear it spiritually until you born again.You still have to hear the gospel? That would mean learning it to some degree to have a bit of understanding. Everyone starts off a babe in Christ, it took me until I was 26 to finally turn to the LORD.