Why its important to keep the Sabbath

[BarneyFife]

Amennnnnnnnn!
God bless you Billy. You are missed.

You do know there is going to be rebuttal to that.

Sure, but what could it possibly amount to besides a lot of dodging and vacuous dismissal, right?

I'm really not in this to win a trophy—I'm just trying to make a mark here and there to dispel the real "Christian Mythology." Christ is worthy!

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[BarneyFife]

If you don't have the patience, you probably better rest up. You are so full of insults it makes me question whether you're even walking with the Lord? If disagreements drive you away from your peace with the Lord, you should take time out.

Quoting Billy Graham doesn't do it for me either, nor the argument that others have applied the 10 Commandments as distinct from the Law. What they are really doing is just pointing out that the moral aspects of the Law continue in the NT. It has nothing to do with arguing that the 10 Commandments are separate from the Law of Moses.

Get back to me when you are up to being friendly in your discussions. I don't have much patience for rudeness.

You know, reading this again and some of your other posts, it appears to me that you're something of a genteel fella, so I probably owe you more of an apology for my remarks than I've given. Hopefully you'll take this as just such a gesture, as it is intended.

But I still can't shake the feeling that you're waving me off because you don't have answers to questions I'm posing in a straightforward manner that aren't unreasonable or designed to trap you in any way.

If you can't satisfy these requirements, you can still cling to Colossians 2, Romans 14, Ephesians 2, or any other of a myriad of loophole texts people use to avoid remembering the Sabbath to keep it holy.

Just know that your Grandparents didn't believe any of the interpretations that are placed on those texts today.

Not a chance.

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[BarneyFife]

Jesus never taught anybody to observe Saturday sabbath View attachment 42877

And the cow jumped over the moon.

No , He just taught them EXACTLY HOW to observe it.

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[Grailhunter]

Often repeated,always ignored.

Jesus kept the Sabbath.

The thing is,the anti-Sabbath position is postulated by how many people who go to church on Sunday?

Why do they go to church on Sunday?

One of the things that people have difficulty with when dealing with the Bible and history is timelines and sequences….what where they doing and when and why….

Of course Christ kept the Sabbath….that is no mystery….during His ministry it was still the Old Covenant and still the Mosaic Laws. After the resurrection, for those that believed on Him….they where in a New Covenant with God and the Mosaic Law and Old Testament Laws and customs did not apply to His followers.

 

[David in NJ]

Truthfully?
Because he knew that they had death in their hearts and he gave them what they wanted.
He knew that they would find any reason to accuse instead of excuse like the man picking up sticks.
Was he doing it for himself or someone else? Did they ask? No, your guilty, bang your dead. end of story.

We choose life not death.
We choose mercy not condemnation.

I was just wandering through the bible looking at the gates of the city.
You know there is a fish gate, a water gate, a sheep gate.. I think there are at least 12 different gates, one for each tribe of Israel.
They are named by tribe and by an object. I haven't found them all yet, still looking.

So what if some come through the fish gate and others come through the sheep gate, and yet all gates lead to the door?
Rev 21:12
And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:


Neh 12:37
And at the fountain gate, which was over against them, they went up by the stairs of the city of David, at the going up of the wall, above the house of David, even unto the water gate eastward.
Neh 12:38
And the other company of them that gave thanks went over against them, and I after them, and the half of the people upon the wall, from beyond the tower of the furnaces even unto the broad wall;
Neh 12:39
And from above the gate of Ephraim, and above the old gate, and above the fish gate, and the tower of Hananeel, and the tower of Meah, even unto the sheep gate: and they stood still in the prison gate.
Neh 12:40
So stood the two companies of them that gave thanks in the house of God, and I, and the half of the rulers with me:

Psa 100:4
Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

I'm not the gate keeper brother.
Hugs

Truthfully?

YES, My Sister in CHRIST = Always TRUTHFULLY

Exodus 31:12-17 has a DEATH Penalty on sabbath rest because the 7th Day speaks of CHRIST and the Works that were FINISHED before the foundation of the world.

WARNING: God never revoked the DEATH Penalty for refusing His REST

Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

WARNING: Refusing God's REST in CHRIST and/or replacing the Eternal REST of God with saturday sabbath is idolatry.
When a SDA commands you keep the saturday sabbath as under the law, they commit sin and reject the REST in CHRIST.

 

[BarneyFife]

Here's an interesting video about Saturday sabbath being false doctrine... enjoy! View attachment 42878

In Defense of the First Day Sabbath & Doug Batchelor's Strawman Burning! | Part 1

You expect us to believe that you "enjoyed" watching enough of this first part of an over 5-hour-long video series poo-pooing the Sabbath to recommend it as "interesting?"

No one has ever made a 5-hour-long video defending the Sabbath!

That tells me something:

It doesn't take 5 hours to defend a legitimate Bible doctrine.

But it takes quite a bit of time and effort to attempt to tear one down.

"Interesting?"

How would you know?

Okay, so 6 minutes into what turns out to be a "Saturday vs. Sunday" snoozefest, he completely debunks the hermeneutical principle behind your main premise that 7th-day Sabbath-keeping must be explicitly commanded in the New Testament in order to be relevant to the New Covenant, so without tiring my sore brain out any more (at least for now) your video is... well:

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[BlessedPeace]

Sure, but what could it possibly amount to besides a lot of dodging and vacuous dismissal, right?

I'm really not in this to win a trophy—I'm just trying to make a mark here and there to dispel the real "Christian Mythology." Christ is worthy!

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I agree the Christian mythology argument points get a little very tedious.

I think it's easier for those proponents to not bother with the history of Jesus and the Apostles practices and teachings. Like unto a fairytale,just make it up as it fits nice and snug in what feels easy to do , and defend that.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Billy Graham is just an example of the pre-Internet mindset of Christian teaching and leadership and his testimony has EVERYTHING to do with the Ten Commandments being separate from "the law of Moses," as the term is so fondly used by postmodern, neo-New Covenant Internet Bible twisters.

No, you just don't understand the argument. Everybody in history sees that the 10 Commandments are part of the Law of Moses. It's foolish to say otherwise!

So what is Graham and others saying in whatever time they say it? They're saying that the 10 Commandments are representative of the fact that the Law is not just about sacrificing animals and bathing in water. Just as important is the need to be moral!

But at the same time you should not forget that the 10 Commandments are still a subset of the Law of Moses, some of the 613 or so requirements under the temple system. Included in the 10 Commandments is a Sabbath requirement that is associated with temple law, with sacrificial law, with priestly law. It is gone when Christ died on the cross. The covenant was over!

You can insult me all the time, claiming I don't speak straight, I avoid the arguments, etc. but the truth remains. The 10 Commandments were part of the Law of Moses, and Sabbath Law was fulfilled *at the cross.* End of argument.

I apologize for the rude tone but either you have pre-Internet Christian references for the Ten Commandments being merely a part of the Jewish-compiled Mitzvot or you don't, and either the commandments being referred to in Hebrews 7 are the same as the ones cited in Romans 7 or they're not.

I'm just saying that your thought that this is an argument made in recent times is not accurate. I don't know anybody in the previous 20 centuries or so who would argue that the 10 Commandments are not part of the Law!

The Law was as moral as NT teaching is! God doesn't change from covenant to covenant. But the part about the Sabbath Law exposes the 10 Commandments as time-limited, as part of the expired temple system. Note: the temple is gone! So is the Sabbath requirement.

But morals remain, and I'm sure we agree on that. That's all people like Graham meant, though they didn't dig into the details enough to use perfect language. Their perhaps "flawed" use of language may have misled you, but if they had been specifically queried on this point I think they would've agreed with me.

The ball is in your court. If you refuse to answer, the picture tells the story that YOU ARE QUITTING.

By the way, don't get to worrying that you're the first one who's failed this test. You could still be the first to pass it, though.

That's called gas-lighting brother. Anybody can see I'm not "quitting."

 

[Randy Kluth]

You know, reading this again and some of your other posts, it appears to me that you're something of a genteel fella, so I probably owe you more of an apology for my remarks than I've given. Hopefully you'll take this as just such a gesture, as it is intended.

I have my good and bad days, like everybody else.

But I still can't shake the feeling that you're waving me off because you don't have answers to questions I'm posing in a straightforward manner that aren't unreasonable or designed to trap you in any way.

No, I've tried to honestly address your concern. People like Graham have said the 10 Commandments still stand--I get that. It's part of the New Testament.

So I've said, quite straight forward-like, that what I believe they really mean is that the 10 Commandments, though part of the Law, are representative of the fact that the Law contains an eternal moral imperative, to live in God's image, to be "like" God. It is not an endorsement of the Sabbath Law as part of the New Covenant.

If you can't satisfy these requirements, you can still cling to Colossians 2, Romans 14, Ephesians 2, or any other of a myriad of loophole texts people use to avoid remembering the Sabbath to keep it holy.

God sanctified the Sabbath Day *of Creation!* We didn't create the world. We don't rest from creating the world.

But we can enter into something called "God's Rest." Our problem consists of defining what that "Rest" is, because the Bible indicates we can enter into it.

I suggest that God's Rest is not determined by "resting after the work of creation." Rather, it is resting any time that God rewards us with a job well done.

So being that we are not under the Law of Moses, we don't rest under that covenant. Rather, we enter into God's Rest with respect to the work of atonement, which Christ did for us. And we will "Rest" when the labors of this present life are done. It has nothing to do with a Sabbath Week that was associated with the Law of Moses, in my opinion.

Just know that your Grandparents didn't believe any of the interpretations that are placed on those texts today.

Not a chance.

Again, you are arguing what I believe is a false representation of what the 10 Commandments meant for these people, who believed that they represented the moral nature of the Law. That moral nature is, of course, still alive for us today. That's all they meant--not that the Sabbath Law is binding any longer. Requiring Sabbath observance is what's new--not the opposite!

 

[Zao is life]

We work and take care of what gives us physical substance to stay alive, but God knows that man also needs the spiritual. If all we did was work we would soon waste away in exhaustion of mind and body with no thoughts of our Creator whom we owe our existence or His love for us, to say nothing of His plan of redemption. The Sabbath is important, as in God's final warning messages to the world we find a call to worship the Creator.
Revelation 14:6-7
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The call to worship in Revelation 14:7 brings us back to the Sabbath Commandment which God set aside specifically for holy purposes:
Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Throughout the scriptures we can see an emphasis on the recognition of the Creator.
Revelation 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Nehemiah 9:6
Thou, even thou, art Lord alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

Psalm 33:6
By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Psalm 96:4-5
4 For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the Lord made the heavens.

Psalm 121:1-2
1 I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.
2 My help cometh from the Lord, which made heaven and earth.

Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.

Acts 4:24
And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:

By keeping the Sabbath holy, as He commanded us, we show our love for Him and give recognition of His authority in our life.
1 John 5:1-3
1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

All the other commandments we can pretend to follow, but the importance of the Sabbath stands out, it is a sign, the standard of God. When he draws his battle line, the true believers put on the armor and choose God, the deceived put on the "traditions" of men and the false doctrines of the rebel who raises his banner of his 'authority'.

The Sabbath cannot be hidden under a bushel, you can hide your idols, swear against God out of hearing of others and love other gods such as sex, money, fame... and no one would know. But like Daniel praying at his window for all to see the Sabbath is a clear display of our love for God when we worship him. Its important...

You quoted the commandment to keep the sabbath holy found in the Old Testament (Covenant), but you have not quoted the commandment to keep the sabbath holy found in the New Covenant (Testament).

Can you quote it?

Because all I find mentioned about the commandments in the New Testament is this:

1 John 3
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

John 15
12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
13 No one has greater love than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.

Matthew 22
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the Law?
37 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

Romans 13
8 Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
9 For: "Do not commit adultery; do not murder; do not steal; do not bear false witness; do not lust;" and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
10 Love works no ill to its neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

From what I can see. what Jesus and His apostles were trying to teach us about the ten commandments (including the sabbath commandment) was that they are the shadow of the fruit of the Spirit, but not the fruit itself. So can you quote for us where the commandment to keep the sabbath day holy (set apart and consecrated to God) appears in the New Covenant/Testament?​

 

[Jack]

Why it's important I believe the Sabbath--because the love of God cost me nothing but cost Him everything in that the Christ according to the Scriptures had to suffer and according to the Scriptures the third day had to rise again.​

Jesus shed His Blood to give us the New Covenant, not to keep us under the Law!

 

[BlessedPeace]

You quoted the commandment to keep the sabbath holy found in the Old Testament (Covenant), but you have not quoted the commandment to keep the sabbath holy found in the New Covenant (Testament).

Can you quote it?

Because all I find mentioned about the commandments in the New Testament is this:

1 John 3
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

John 15
12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
13 No one has greater love than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.

Matthew 22
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the Law?
37 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

Romans 13
8 Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
9 For: "Do not commit adultery; do not murder; do not steal; do not bear false witness; do not lust;" and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
10 Love works no ill to its neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

From what I can see. what Jesus and His apostles were trying to teach us about the ten commandments (including the sabbath commandment) was that they are the shadow of the fruit of the Spirit, but not the fruit itself. So can you quote for us where the commandment to keep the sabbath day holy (set apart and consecrated to God) appears in the New Covenant/Testament?​

Hebrews 4


And...
After Jesus was entombed even his mother kept the Sabbath.


When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him.

Source: 37 Bible verses about Sabbath, In Nt

 

[Zao is life]

Sabbath was instituted at Creation WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY before Moses. All the Commandments were in place, or there wouldn't be ant definition of sin (transgression of the Law) Also God wrote the 10 with His finger. Moses wrote down the rest.

When Jesus came He fulfilled all ten when He died on the cross, and by dying on the cross, and in the process the law was abolished in His flesh when He died.

There is a new creation in Christ. No more need for the shadow of the fruit of the Spirit when the Spirit Himself produces the fruit and it becomes evident in those who abide in the Vine.

 

[Zao is life]

Adding 'old covenant' law to weigh you down in sin and guilt is the path of Pharisees and Sadducees.

I agree.

Adding old covenant law is you and is your adding old covenant law, Pharisee! YOURS is the path of Pharisees and Sadducees that weighs down in sin and guilt. GOD NEVER HAD AND SCRIPTURE NEVER SPEAKS OF AN 'OLD COVENANT' THAT WAS GOD'S, YOU LYING DEVIL WORSHIPPER.

SIES. Skaam jou.

 

[Randy Kluth]

You quoted the commandment to keep the sabbath holy found in the Old Testament (Covenant), but you have not quoted the commandment to keep the sabbath holy found in the New Covenant (Testament).

Can you quote it?

Because all I find mentioned about the commandments in the New Testament is this:

1 John 3
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

John 15
12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
13 No one has greater love than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.

Matthew 22
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the Law?
37 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

Romans 13
8 Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
9 For: "Do not commit adultery; do not murder; do not steal; do not bear false witness; do not lust;" and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
10 Love works no ill to its neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

From what I can see. what Jesus and His apostles were trying to teach us about the ten commandments (including the sabbath commandment) was that they are the shadow of the fruit of the Spirit, but not the fruit itself. So can you quote for us where the commandment to keep the sabbath day holy (set apart and consecrated to God) appears in the New Covenant/Testament?​

You're 100% right! However, some of them come back with quotations of Jesus in the Gospels while *Israel was still under the Law!* They think that proves Sabbath Law is in the New Covenant when all they're really proving is that Sabbath Law and the Mosaic Law was mentioned in the NT Bible!

Yes, the Gospels are traditionally considered part of the NT Scriptures. However, the Gospels represent, primarily, Jesus' ministry while Israel was still under the Law of Moses, as well as Sabbath Law.

The end of the Gospels, however, was focused upon the death of Christ, which is the end of the Law and its condemnation of humanity for all those who choose to live in him. When Jesus died, he represented the end of the old temple and the resurrection of a new "temple," namely his body.

And as you indicated, neither Jesus nor his apostles taught that Christians are to obey Sabbath Law. In this case, an argument from silence has merit. Since we were told that Jesus is the new temple, and that temple law had been abolished, it would've been critical for Christian leadership to establish the need to retain *some* of the Law if that was the case. But it wasn't.

The false argument that Christians have long separated the 10 Commandments from the Law is therefore a complete misrepresentation of what Christians, historically, have believed about the Sabbath Day. In fact, Christians on their own initiative replaced Sabbath Day with Sunday worship, which obviously was not presented as a Divine Law!

And so, Christian belief has always been against a divine mandate to observe the Sabbath Day. It was replaced by Sunday worship, and not confirmed as a continuing law.

 

[Zao is life]

The end of the Gospels, however, was focused upon the death of Christ, which is the end of the Law and its condemnation of humanity for all those who choose to live in him.

Yes. Human obedience to law and commandments on the part of sinful humans whose bodies are dead because of sin will never bring life because the law condemns us as sinners. Paul stated this very clearly. Jesus was referring to self-effort through obedience to the law and commandments when He said,

Matthew 11
28 Come to Me all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke on you and learn of Me, for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you shall find rest to your souls.
30 For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light.

We can produce no fruit except through faith in Him who is the Vine and walking by the Spirit.

When Jesus died, he represented the end of the old temple and the resurrection of a new "temple," namely his body.

I fully agree.

The false argument that Christians have long separated the 10 Commandments from the Law is therefore a complete misrepresentation of what Christians, historically, have believed about the Sabbath Day. In fact, Christians on their own initiative replaced Sabbath Day with Sunday worship, which obviously was not presented as a Divine Law!

And so, Christian belief has always been against a divine mandate to observe the Sabbath Day. It was replaced by Sunday worship, and not confirmed as a continuing law.

Yes. There is no law that can bring life to fallen humanity except the law of life in Christ Jesus. Paul said so.

 

[Jack]

No Christian Sabbath. Jesus said so!

Colossians 2:16
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

 

[BlessedPeace]

When Jesus came He fulfilled all ten when He died on the cross, and by dying on the cross, and in the process the law was abolished in His flesh when He died.

There is a new creation in Christ. No more need for the shadow of the fruit of the Spirit when the Spirit Himself produces the fruit and it becomes evident in those who abide in the Vine.

You mean the spirit that leads us through his laws that he wrote on our heart so we would never be far from them?

 

[Zao is life]

Rather focus on this, the true Truth...

1.) The Lord Jesus never commanded us to keep <the saturday sabbath> BECAUSE HE IS THE MAKER AND LORD PROTECTOR OF THE BIBLE SABBATH, DENOUNCER JUDGE AND PUNISHER of both <the saturday sabbath> and its lying and obsessed worshippers inter alia David in NJ.

Satan: The (false) accuser of the brethren. Like your (false) accusation above against @David in NJ.

Something's wrong with your testimony.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Thank You for the update

His responses to me shows that we are not dealing with a full deck of cards

Which is why we should pray for them. They're expressing symptoms to us that plague them as dis-ease every day.