Why its important to keep the Sabbath

[David in NJ]

There is always more

Hugs

The more we let go of religion/respect of persons the more the LORD opens our eyes.

i have come to understand that HE leaves people where they are at if they refuse to believe His words.

 

[Ziggy]

The more we let go of religion/respect of persons the more the LORD opens our eyes.

i have come to understand that HE leaves people where they are at if they refuse to believe His words.

I don't know if it's they refuse to believe but rather I think people are afraid of being judged for hearing outside the box.
The carnal mind is at war with God.
And everything that is written we see as images. But the pictures we draw with our minds (types) have a different picture in the spiritual realm.
All we can do is judge by what we see.
I see God planted a garden in Eden. Of all the trees they could eat.
I hear: I see men walking as trees...
I hear: fruit of the spirit.
I think.. what kind of trees were in the garden? They were good to eat.
Good fruit.
The I think: Are these the souls under the altar that give God praise?

I have a really hard time seeing the bible carnally anymore. There is always something beyond what is written.
Everything, tree, plant, thorn, grass, animals, waters, clouds.. you name it, everything I read I see what we see in the world,
but I also hear something with a deeper meaning. A spiritual application.
So far I haven't found anything in the OT that doesn't have a spiritual application in the NT.
Paul calls it, comparing spiritual with spiritual.

1Co 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Eph 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Col 1:9
For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

And the world is going to think your foolish, and you have your head in the clouds. To which I say Amen and I hope I never come down lol.

It all started with bread and understanding that bread meant the word that we break and share and eat and it sustains us spiritually.
It's been onward and upward since then. Or digging deeper for hidden treasure.
Treasures both old and new.

The trouble is trying to explain it, but if you look close enough scripture interprets itself. Every jot and tittle of it.


hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Exo 15:22
So Moses brought Israel from the Red sea, and they went out into the wilderness of Shur; and they went three days in the wilderness, and found no water.

As an example.
I was going to look for three days in the wilderness.
I found this verse:
Gen 40:12
And Joseph said unto him, This is the interpretation of it: The three branches are three days:

Three branches are three days.

I think branches... Branch.

Zec 3:8
Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.

Zec 6:12
And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

so if three branches are three days, The One Branch is One DAY.

And we're back where we started LOL
To DAY...

hugs

 

[David in NJ]

I don't know if it's they refuse to believe but rather I think people are afraid of being judged for hearing outside the box.
The carnal mind is at war with God.
And everything that is written we see as images. But the pictures we draw with our minds (types) have a different picture in the spiritual realm.
All we can do is judge by what we see.
I see God planted a garden in Eden. Of all the trees they could eat.
I hear: I see men walking as trees...
I hear: fruit of the spirit.
I think.. what kind of trees were in the garden? They were good to eat.
Good fruit.
The I think: Are these the souls under the altar that give God praise?

I have a really hard time seeing the bible carnally anymore. There is always something beyond what is written.
Everything, tree, plant, thorn, grass, animals, waters, clouds.. you name it, everything I read I see what we see in the world,
but I also hear something with a deeper meaning. A spiritual application.
So far I haven't found anything in the OT that doesn't have a spiritual application in the NT.
Paul calls it, comparing spiritual with spiritual.

1Co 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Eph 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Col 1:9
For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

And the world is going to think your foolish, and you have your head in the clouds. To which I say Amen and I hope I never come down lol.

It all started with bread and understanding that bread meant the word that we break and share and eat and it sustains us spiritually.
It's been onward and upward since then. Or digging deeper for hidden treasure.
Treasures both old and new.

The trouble is trying to explain it, but if you look close enough scripture interprets itself. Every jot and tittle of it.


hugs

I have a really hard time seeing the bible carnally anymore.

Just be careful not to exclude the reality of the life that God created, which is also carnal and still "Good".

Examples:
"In the Beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God"
"And the Word became FLESH and dwelt among us(flesh)."

Luke 24:36-39
Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.”
But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit.
And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts?
Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself.
Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

1 John 4:1-3
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

1 John 4:20-21
If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.

The other Trees in the Garden could not be "the souls under the Altar" because they were not yet born.
Secondly, they were murdered by people who also were not yet born.

SEE = Genesis 3:20
"Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living."

Peace and Good Night

 

[Phoneman777]

LOL You being funny of course the Ten Commandments were written on the tablets of stone....Not the summaries.



I am not saying that God did not write on the Tablets. The scriptures says that God told Moses the Ten Commandments in Chapter 34 and told him to write them the tablets.



LOL produce the scripture(s).


Not following any of this - please explain.

See post #661



Again read the storyline

They could not be in the Ark until God gave the tablets to Moses.

The Ten Commandments and the Two Summaries - both are identical. Any dichotomy is a false dichotomy.

The One Universal is also identical to them - any trichotomy between them is likewise a false trichotomy.

 

[Phoneman777]

"Keep the sabbath holy" is the ONLY commandment given with the specific command of "REMEMBER"

So, why is it the only one you're telling us to forget?

This command BEGAN with God in Genesis and BECOMES one of the Big TEN in Exodus and the ONLY one with "REMEMBER" attached to it.

The Ten Commandments existed before Exodus and were merely codified in Exodus. You do realize that codification doesn't deny prior existence of the things being codified, right?

The 3rd Most Important commandment that is attached to:
#1 - "Love God, no graven images , no other gods before HIM"
#2 - "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain,"
#3 - “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy"

Certainly, the LORD Jesus Christ did not forget this MOST IMPORTANT Commandment.

For if Christ forgot to "REMEMBER" to tell His Disciples this commandment HE would of committed sin.

Can you find it in the GOSPEL???

Look, it's you - not me - that needs lessons for why the Sabbath commandment remains for the Christian to remember...because you're the one speaking out of both sides of his mouth as to why we can forget it, by arguing that grace somehow simultaneously elevates days 1 - 6 but also demotes day 7.

 

[RedFan]

The Ten Commandments existed before Exodus and were merely codified in Exodus. You do realize that codification doesn't deny prior existence of the things being codified, right?

Your second sentence here makes a great point: codification of laws is often preceded by the existence of those laws. But as to your first sentence: how do we know this? If a "natural law" concept embraces all ten, I would be a bit surprised.

 

[Grailhunter]

The Ten Commandments and the Two Summaries - both are identical. Any dichotomy is a false dichotomy.

The One Universal is also identical to them - any trichotomy between them is likewise a false trichotomy.

Folks people will lie to you about the scriptures and never give it a second thought….the origin and birth of false beliefs. Look at it for yourself

Compare these two sets of scriptures and see for yourself that they are in fact different! LOL

Exodus 20:1-17 Not written on the tabets.

And

Exodus 34:10-27 The ones God called the Ten Commandments and told Moses to write them on the tablets to establish the Covenant.

 

[Grailhunter]

Your second sentence here makes a great point: codification of laws is often preceded by the existence of those laws. But as to your first sentence: how do we know this? If a "natural law" concept embraces all ten, I would be a bit surprised.

Scripture please! LOL

 

[RedFan]

Scripture please! LOL

You're asking for a Bible verse that addresses whether "natural law" embraces all ten commandments? I don't know of one. "Natural law" isn't well described in the Bible with the robustness we might like to see, particularly as to its relation to moral law. Paul touched on the concept in Romans, but not in great detail.

 

[Grailhunter]

You're asking for a Bible verse that addresses whether "natural law" embraces all ten commandments? I don't know of one. "Natural law" isn't well described in the Bible with the robustness we might like to see, particularly as to its relation to moral law. Paul touched on the concept in Romans, but not in great detail.

No...
The Ten Commandments existed before Exodus and were merely codified in Exodus. You do realize that codification doesn't deny prior existence of the things being codified, right?

Looking for the set of scriptures that stated the Ten Commandments before Exodus.

And the natural law.....That would be an interpretational can of worms….might as well try nailing Jell-O to the harness of a bull ride.

 

[RedFan]

No...
The Ten Commandments existed before Exodus and were merely codified in Exodus.

So how do we know that the law to keep the Sabbath, for example, was in effect prior to the Ten Commandments being handed down to Moses?

 

[Grailhunter]

So how do we know that the law to keep the Sabbath, for example, was in effect prior to the Ten Commandments being handed down to Moses?

Maybe it is the natural law? LOL I can give you a hammer and a nail and some Jell-O put you will have to find the bull ride yourself.

Before Exodus….Genesis…..In Genesis the word law mostly applies to Father-in law or Daughter-in law etc.

There is Genesis 26:5…. because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.” Man that is an awful lot of laws. Were they secret laws between God and Abraham? Because all these commandments, statues, and laws are not stated in Genesis. Laws just for one person?

Commentaries and study Bibles generally a void this scripture like the plague or dance around it, but I did find this, which stands to reason….. It seems that there were laws from God which we had to keep even before the law that came 430 years later ( Galatians 3:17 ) and Abraham was blessed because He kept those laws. Send me a picture of tongue in cheek~~~

So why did they observe the 7th day as a holy day?....honorary observance?

 

[amigo de christo]

Scripture please! LOL

Show me scripture where it says , oh it dont matter what religon one is in , what matters is did they love and find common ground .
I want every person on this site
to truly show me where my error has been when i constantly remind all
that all other relgions are false
that there is no such thing as GOOD people in religoins . THAT IN FACT NO ONE IS GOOD but GOD .
and that ALL DO NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
so , tell me , what is my wrong to society and the churches so called
just because i wont pick up a rainbow , or allow them or anyone to believe that other religoins are okay
and that somehow this lovey do crap is gonna save them .
IT WONT . ALL WILL BE DAMNED WHO TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT .
ALL who rejected the love of the truth WILL be given over to the delusoin to believe a lie and they will be damned .

 

[amigo de christo]

There is always more

Hugs

and when christendom flies the rainbow flag of divesity and inclusion THERE BE A FAR BIGGER PROBLEM .
A far bigger and greater problem has arisen as even imams are being let into churches to teach churches
about what we all have in common . BIG PROBLEM . HUGE DELUSION has and is taking captive many souls to a
love that came of the world under guise its the love of GOD . Just a friendly reminder to all my friend .

 

[Phoneman777]

Your second sentence here makes a great point: codification of laws is often preceded by the existence of those laws. But as to your first sentence: how do we know this? If a "natural law" concept embraces all ten, I would be a bit surprised.

Thank you. The idea that the Ten Commandments didn't exist until Sinai is such a dishonest, juvenile approach to Scripture which appeals only to hypocritical juveniles who boldly insist Christians don't have to keep them but cowardly refuse to publicly declare that we may break them.

 

[RedFan]

Show me scripture where it says , oh it dont matter what religon one is in , what matters is did they love and find common ground .

By "scripture" I think you mean the collection of writings that, thanks to a developed consensus in the fourth century, happened to get included in what we now call "the Bible," right? No other "scriptures," Eastern or otherwise, count, right? On that understanding, no, I cannot show you a verse saying that "it dont matter what religion one is in."

But what I might be able to do is extract an inference from some passages that preach the gospel of love in absolute terms. Might as well start with Matt. 6:14: “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.” Taken literally, forgiving others, without more, is enough to be judged positively on Judgment Day and have our own sins forgiven -- because this statement is unconditional, absolute, in the form “If X, then Y,” i.e., if we forgive, we will be forgiven. Period. Without more.

If the “more” that Christian doctrine suggests is necessary for forgiveness of sin is indeed necessary, then Matt. 6:14 is literally untrue. And I doubt you would allow for that possibility -- but maybe I am wrong.

 

[Phoneman777]

Folks people will lie to you about the scriptures and never give it a second thought….the origin and birth of false beliefs. Look at it for yourself

Compare these two sets of scriptures and see for yourself that they are in fact different! LOL

Exodus 20:1-17 Not written on the tabets.

And

Exodus 34:10-27 The ones God called the Ten Commandments and told Moses to write them on the tablets to establish the Covenant.

Moses carved out the stone and God wrote the TEN COMMANDMENTS on them with HIS HANDS.

"The works of HIS HANDS are verity and judgment. All HIS COMMANDMENTS are sure..." - Psalms 111:7-8 KJV​

 

[Grailhunter]

Show me scripture where it says , oh it dont matter what religon one is in , what matters is did they love and find common ground .
I want every person on this site
to truly show me where my error has been when i constantly remind all
that all other relgions are false
that there is no such thing as GOOD people in religoins . THAT IN FACT NO ONE IS GOOD but GOD .
and that ALL DO NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
so , tell me , what is my wrong to society and the churches so called
just because i wont pick up a rainbow , or allow them or anyone to believe that other religoins are okay
and that somehow this lovey do crap is gonna save them .
IT WONT . ALL WILL BE DAMNED WHO TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT .
ALL who rejected the love of the truth WILL be given over to the delusoin to believe a lie and they will be damned .

You know people have told you that you are little too critical of God’s creation. And I am sure you have your own definition of good….and that is fine. The normative. What is good? Good does not get you to Heaven or prevent you from going to Hell. No one is perfect but even so that alone would not save you. Salvation is through Yeshua as in belief thereof and follows His teachings. Be good and do good.

 

[Phoneman777]

So how do we know that the law to keep the Sabbath, for example, was in effect prior to the Ten Commandments being handed down to Moses?

When some of the Israelites went out to gather manna on the Sabbath and God questioned Moses as to how long will Israel refuse to keep His laws, that was in Exodus 16 - way before they got to Sinai - proving that keeping the Sabbath was already a law that existed, albeit forgotten due to 400+ years of Egyptian bondage.