Once saved, always saved is a myth.

[Michiah-Imla]

Salvation started and ends at the cross.

This teaching is not found in the Holy Bible.

Otherwise please cite it if I am mistaken.

Jesus did not say I did my part now you do your

Sure sounds like he did imply it:

“They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.” (Luke 8:13)

You want everyone to be fools. Having begun in the spirit (eph 2: 8-9) and perfect or complete it in the flesh.

You wrote the wrong scripture reference. This is not in Ephesians.

You ran back to the book of Galatians.

I already told you I’m not promoting salvation by ritualistic works of the law.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Unless they decide to turn. That’s the caveat. There is no such thing as once saved always saved. “While today is today” don’t hardern your hearts.

We can't turn from God and give up what he paid for, Its his to give, And he promised he would never take it back

ERternal security is real. You may not believe in the calvinist view of once saved always saved, But it is real..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You can though. To say one cannot, is lying to oneself. It’s a day to day, action.

Actually, to say one can is to Call Paul and God a liar

we are sealed UNTIL redemption day (ressurection)

It does not say unless we turn away. It says until

If our seal can be broken, God lied.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

People can renounce their faith though, tell me you cannot and I’ll believe you. I could renounce my faith today, but by choice I choose not to. It’s not that God is keeping me, it’s me desiring him.

Just tell me - no one can ever renounce their faith period, and they will go on to attribute the spirit of Christ within them.

There are people who thing they have salvation, but they look down on others and stuff.

How could one ever promise once saved always saved if they aren’t examining their own faith?

You can quote that scripture all day… it’s not gonna change my mind.

why would you

Hod could Gods salvation became so untrustowrthy you would renounce your faith?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I’m not promoting this.

Are you even paying attention to my posts?

Yes,

thats why he made the statement he did

 

[Michiah-Imla]

We are owned by God, it's not up to us to change our status

This is so unbiblical it’s crazy!

Just about every book in the New Testament admonishes us to stay holy once cleaned by the blood of Christ.

 

[MatthewG]

We can't turn from God and give up what he paid for, Its his to give, And he promised he would never take it back

ERternal security is real. You may not believe in the calvinist view of once saved always saved, But it is real..

May you continue to pick up your cross daily. One can be secured in their relationship with Yahavah, there is no doubt in my mind. However one never knows what the end of life may look like, and perhaps why it is better to hang on to the hand of Yeshua, daily to overcome the world by faith. I know from my own experience, that there has been a time or two where I question whether or not following God and Jesus is even worth it.

If I turned away I don’t think God would have loved me any less, and would have continued to call out to me, and he continues to call out to all people.

It’s a day by day choice to remain and abide in the Lord.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

you can quote scripture all you want I’m just trying to find and answer by you through the spirit. The scripture is sharp and cuts, I don’t know why you even afforded this statement.

God can hardern the heart of a person, by his goodness. God was destroying everything around Pharoh, and he continued to become hardern. It’s been a little while since studying it.


But let me ask you - is God calling out to all people today or not? Is just picking and choosing who will be saved and elect or not today?

the term harden means to strengthen,

when a persons heart is hardened, it means it is strengthened to continue to believe what they believe (or do not believe)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Absolutely!

Have you never read this:

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:31-32)



That’s called scriptural teaching!

Why would a person not continue?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well what’s the scripture say about faith without works is dead.

??

If a person favors a rich person over a poor person, how are they having faith which their in the works of “love” show favoritism?

yes,

a person who CLAIMS they have faith, but has absolutely zero works. is deceived into saying they have faith, when they do not

But Paul said if anyone is found by works, they have something to boast. But not before God.. Paul and james did nto contradict each other

 

[MatthewG]

Why would you? @Eternally Grateful, asked. Choice.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And those who did and gave it up?

Can they get to come back?

Does it even matter to you because you already settled in your faith? That it’s kind of like, who cares?

Give it up?

that was not the point

the point is THEY NEVER BELIEVED.. They just came along for the ride. but never really trusted, Their hearts were back in Egypt

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hope to hear the rest of your responses, @mailmandan.

It’s impossible for me to believe in once saved always saved.

Jesus said pick up one’s cross daily… that means day by day, in one’s heart you pick up the cross and rise to new life in the Lord Yeshua.

Thats trying to earn your salvation.

Why did God call it is gift if it can be earned, for that matter, why did he die on the cross if yuo could earn it?

 

[MatthewG]

Thats trying to earn your salvation.

Why did God call it is gift if it can be earned, for that matter, why did he die on the cross if yuo could earn it?

No it’s not.

It’s just doing what Jesus said to do.

Pick up your cross and die daily.
Putting God first and allowing the Spirit to work through you.

I do no good in my flesh. Only God indwelling by the Holy Spirit within me, does good. This is called giving him the credit of anything done that is of Gods will.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This teaching is not found in the Holy Bible.

Otherwise please cite it if I am mistaken.

So Jesus did not say it is finished?

Sure sounds like he did imply it:

“They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.” (Luke 8:13)

Yes, Like those in james, they believed like demons, but they had no faith.. You do not leave people you trust.

You wrote the wrong scripture reference. This is not in Ephesians.

You ran back to the book of Galatians.

I already told you I’m not promoting salvation by ritualistic works of the law.

Sorry, I should have been more clear.. I figured you would understand

eph 2: 8 - 9 is beginning in the spirit. that's how we are saved by faith.

You then claim we need to work to stay saved.

That would not be grace, that would be a reward.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why would you? @Eternally Grateful, asked. Choice.

You must not have very much faith if at all then.

If you really trust you were condemned, and headed to outer darkness, and really trusted that the cross saved you

the thought of walking away would never even cross your mind

unless you never really had faith. But just tried christianity out for awhile. and decided it was not for you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No it’s not.

It’s just doing what Jesus said to do.

Pick up your cross and die daily.
Putting God first and allowing the Spirit to work through you.

I do no good in my flesh. Only God indwelling by the Holy Spirit within me, does good. This is called giving him the credit of anything done that is of Gods will.

Yes,

If I want to mature as a child of God. I need to pick up my cross daily

Thats called christian growth

Its not earning your salvation..

you were saved the moment you became like the tax collector (if you did)

 

[MatthewG]

You must not have very much faith if at all then.

If you really trust you were condemned, and headed to outer darkness, and really trusted that the cross saved you

the thought of walking away would never even cross your mind

unless you never really had faith. But just tried christianity out for awhile. and decided it was not for you

I’m not nobody’s judge. People make a decision and choice. Jesus proclaimed it, to his apostles in the parable of the sower. It’s just a fact that people can choose to renounce their faith if they choose to. Sometimes it’s the pressures of the world.

 

[MatthewG]

The best thing to know is that God loves people. And we should have love and compassion for the lost, and those who are in misunderstanding. If we continue to be rooted in the gospel, and share the joy found in having fellowship with the Father and the Son.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I’m not nobody’s judge. People make a decision and choice. Jesus proclaimed it, to his apostles in the parable of the sower. It’s just a fact that people can choose to renounce their faith if they choose to. Sometimes it’s the pressures of the world.

John said they were never of us
People can turn away having never come to true saving faith.

But people who have been born of God do not turn away and not believe.

Not to mention.That is saying God is not very smart. he saved people and sealed them with the spirit KNOWING they would walk away because they never really had faith to begin with..