mailmandan
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What alternate meanings? I used multiple passages of scripture to back up my arguments. Still no rebuttal?
Once saved, always saved is a myth.
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| Verse (Click for Chapter) King James Bible But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. New King James Version But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. American Standard Version But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Berean Study Bible You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. |
Eternally Grateful
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Demons believe, and shudder, and are not saved. Faith - believing - without works is dead, dead faith, that does not save, is not converted, does not endure.
Stop trying to misrepresent me or my words.
Much love!
Michiah-Imla
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The passage we are discussing is talking about those who believe the Gospel.
And yet another attempt to disqualify me with scriptures not applicable to the discussion fails.
Irrelevant.
Translations are adequate to learn the truth of the word of God.
Many Learned men already brought over to us what you are trying to take away from us.
“Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.” (Jeremiah 23:30)
Michiah-Imla
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They believe there is one God.
Not the gospel.
And people aren’t demons.
You cannot use this scripture to prop up ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED and to make another scripture void.
Eternally Grateful
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if your talking about James 2. These people do not believe the gospel..
Again, Why are you trying to earn your salvation?
Eternally Grateful
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He said if you believe there is on god that great. even demons believe yet tremble
You can't use this scripture to prove salvation by works.. It makes the rest of scripture void
mailmandan
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Shallow, temporary belief that has no root, lacks moisture and produces no fruit (faith without works is dead) does not represent believing the gospel unto salvation. You need to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine.
Michiah-Imla
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Not withstanding your word salad:
“Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.” (Mark 9:23)
Why didn’t Jesus explain to us these different types and meanings of the word “believe”? Nor any of the Apostles for that matter?
Your cunning use of words are enticing to the itch in our ears. You learned to memorize and repeat extra biblical material well.
We have been warned in the holy scriptures regarding men with your skill and persuasion with words:
“…mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.” (Romans 16:17-18)
Don’t be that guy.
No Scripture is being made void, and I'm just pointing to what these verses say. You disagree, you make your objection, and I post another verse to show your objection isn't valid. So we're back to the what the first passage says. In this case, they believe, but they don't receive, they don't take it in, there is no root, so there is no conversion, so there is no endurance.
The point of referencing the demon's belief is to say that this word is not used exclusively for saving faith, and you have to consider the context. In this context, there is no root, so there is no endurance, because in this case, the "believing" was an emotional response, nothing more than that.
This is simply stated in these passages.
Much love!
People are worried about salvation, and losing it.
Salvation is deliverance. From the bondage of sin within our flesh, though we have weakness and cannot by definition say “we are good.” There is no work one can trump concerning Jesus Christ.
He has saved all from death, hell, sin, and Satan,
Those are things which people are saved from as Jesus paid for the sins of the world, overcome death, hell and Satan.
Jesus fulfilled the law bringing deliverance from the old world, and bringing in the Holy Spirit, people then become saved to the Kingdom of God.
It’s people’s responsibility to put God first… then to love their neighbor as their selves.
I don’t understand how you guys get works mixed in with salvation all the time.,,
The only work of God is to believe on the one whom sent the Son of God, in turn those who rise to newness of life in Christ - by faith, producing the fruit of love which comes from God. The works a person does for God is not pertaining to fulfilling the law to bring deliverance… those works are works which are done for God and his will!
In the end your building up your spiritual treasures, and in the end God is going to reward to reward you spiritually, with your given spiritual body.
Salvation is deliverance. From the bondage of sin within our flesh, though we have weakness and cannot by definition say “we are good.” There is no work one can trump concerning Jesus Christ.
He has saved all from death, hell, sin, and Satan,
Those are things which people are saved from as Jesus paid for the sins of the world, overcome death, hell and Satan.
Jesus fulfilled the law bringing deliverance from the old world, and bringing in the Holy Spirit, people then become saved to the Kingdom of God.
It’s people’s responsibility to put God first… then to love their neighbor as their selves.
I don’t understand how you guys get works mixed in with salvation all the time.,,
The only work of God is to believe on the one whom sent the Son of God, in turn those who rise to newness of life in Christ - by faith, producing the fruit of love which comes from God. The works a person does for God is not pertaining to fulfilling the law to bring deliverance… those works are works which are done for God and his will!
In the end your building up your spiritual treasures, and in the end God is going to reward to reward you spiritually, with your given spiritual body.
Michiah-Imla
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@marks
Believers are sanctified by the blood of Christ.
And:
“…Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Hebrews 10:26-29)
And @mailmandan will post a commentary about an alternate universe where being sanctified doesn’t necessarily mean saved.
Believers are sanctified by the blood of Christ.
And:
“…Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Hebrews 10:26-29)
And @mailmandan will post a commentary about an alternate universe where being sanctified doesn’t necessarily mean saved.
Michiah-Imla
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Anyone with that type of belief will be lost.
But that’s not all.
Those with enduring belief who fall away to sin again will be lost as well too!
Eternally Grateful
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You’re the one causing division. By denying the gospel of christ. And trying to add your own works of righteousness.
Eternally Grateful
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They will. Not fall away.
You don’t fall away unless you had shallow belief..
Maybe you just do not understand what true faith means?
Eternally Grateful
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I got you on ignore @Eternally Grateful. Thank you for commenting on the thread and push it back to the top. I don’t believe in once saved always saved. I believe in a daily choice.
mailmandan
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Its no a word salad. Not all belief is the same and not all belief saves as I already thoroughly explained to you in post #609.
You teach salvation by works, sinless perfection and you deny that Jesus is God. Don't be that guy who promotes heretical doctrine.
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Michiah-Imla
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We are reconciled to God as long as:
“…ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel…” (Colossians 1:23)
Not if “ye continue in deep faith”.
Your “type of beliefs” argument is irrelevant.
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