Gender neutral family raising baby as a "theyby"

[St. SteVen]

We can hate the sin but we should love the sinner. Isn't that what God did for us?

I agree.
Next time you see an obviously gay person, ask them if they feel loved by the church.

You probably don't even need to ask. We know what they would say, right?

So, where is the problem?

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[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Was Jacob criticized for his gender role differences?

Who says it's a "gender role difference"?? Many men were tent makers. Jacob was not gay.

Wow.
What is wrong with you people? Seriously.
1) The scripture I provided did not say Jacob was a tent maker.
2) I did not say that Jacob was gay.
3) Gender roles and sexual orientation are two different things.

The level of ignorance on this subject among Christians is ridiculous.

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[BlessedPeace]

St. SteVen said:
I was just remembering the story of Jacob and Esau,
Note the gender role differences.

Genesis 25:27 NIV
The boys grew up, and Esau became a skillful hunter, a man of the open country,
while Jacob was content to stay at home among the tents.

LOL
You don't the difference between gender roles and birth sex?

If a husband put on a flowered apron and helped his wife with the dishes would that make him a woman?

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No.
A husband that does dishes would be an anomaly.

And no,again.

That particular description would make him my neighbors husband, wearing a flowered apron.

 

[BlessedPeace]

I agree.
Next time you see an obviously gay person, ask them if they feel loved by the church.

You probably don't even need to ask. We know what they would say, right?

So, where is the problem?

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Ask an adulterer if they feel loved by the church. Ask a serial rapist if they feel loved by the church. Ask a murderer....

You think God's love loves unrepentant sin. Must.

 

[St. SteVen]

Ask an adulterer if they feel loved by the church. Ask a serial rapist if they feel loved by the church. Ask a murderer....

You think God's love loves unrepentant sin. Must.

Define what it means to love the sinner.
Or are you saying that you hate sinners?
(do you ever sin?)

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[St. SteVen]

Why do we single out one sin to make that claim?

--- Parody ---

Conversation between Christian protester and doughnut shop patron. (customer)

Patron: What are doing picketing a donut shop?
Protester: I'm protesting the sin of gluttony.
Patron: Why on earth would you do that?
Protester: Gluttony is a sin, this has to stop.
Patron: Not everyone who buys a donut is a glutton.
Protester: We can't say that for sure.
Patron: Don't you have gluttony at your church?
Protester: No, we kicked them all out, unless they would repent.
Patron: Wow, for eating donuts?
Protester: No, gluttony takes many forms.
Patron: Right, like a church pot-luck dinner?
Protester: Exactly, they are banned at our church.
Patron: Did you know that some people are born with
weight-gain issues they will never get ahead of?
Protester: That's no excuse. Sin is sin.
Patron: You look exhausted, can I buy you a donut?
Protester: Sure, just don't tell the church.
Patron: Your secret's safe with me.

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[BlessedPeace]

Define what it means to love the sinner.
Or are you saying that you hate sinners?
(do you ever sin?)

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You'll notice I listed a number of sins.

Does God love sin? Do unrepentant sinners enter Heaven?

 

[TLHKAJ]

St. SteVen said:
Was Jacob criticized for his gender role differences?

Wow.
What is wrong with you people? Seriously.
1) The scripture I provided did not say Jacob was a tent maker.
2) I did not say that Jacob was gay.
3) Gender roles and sexual orientation are two different things.

The level of ignorance on this subject among Christians is ridiculous.

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You're right. There is only a possible implication that Jacob may have been a tent maker. This whole thing of "gender roles" is out of the secular world to assign labels on people. Scripture simply speaks against men being effeminate. I don't think Jacob was effeminate at all. The truth is boys and girls are different. God created the difference. When people veer from truth, it is a result of brokenness ...which comes from sin. The answer is still .....truth+love. Not one without the other.

I have a younger (male) cousin who lives a gay lifestyle. He has stated that the reason he is gay is because he was sexually abused ....in the church.... by our (Assembly of God) pastor when he was little. People don't believe him ...but I do, because I have very similar memories. But my hopes are to reach out to him and let him know I believe him. I know that validation would break through some walls and possibly help him understand what has happened and how to come to freedom. But I would never approach him with hatred. Love speaks the truth, and I would speak only speak when and what I sensed God's leading to speak.

 

[BarneyFife]

What?
This is the problem. And so well stated. Thanks.

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AGREED!!!

And I have to say, it doesn't sound very much like "going the extra mile" or giving them your coat AND your shirt.

We're like the Jewish lawyers being told the parable of the man fallen among thieves, who can't even bring ourselves to speak the word "Samaritan" when Jesus asks who the fallen man's neighbor was.

I think I'm going to be ill.

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[MA2444]

The level of ignorance on this subject among Christians is ridiculous.

That's because all the abc weirdos have many people confused about what gender means now, and what it used to mean. The Female gender has traditionally been the house keepers and cooks as well as child bearing. The male gender traditionally was the one to go out and wrestle up dinner from whatever mastadon or Mule Deer showed itself.

The husband got the harder and more dangerous jobs within the family unit. She got the easier jobs. I see no problem with that. But nowadays they have everything messed up. The young men make their young wives pay 1/2 the bills. WTH is that?! WHen I got married I told her she dont have to work outside the home. She has plenty of work inside the home and that is enough. I pay the bills. And if she ever chose to go get a job, that she can keep the money for herself because her choosing to work doesnt relieve me from my responsibility from paying the bills. And I stuck to it. It was many years before she wanted to get a job and I didnt even think about her money. There were many times when I had a good week and would give her $1000, or $1500 because deeo down inside, I know money is useless. It was a means to an end. I wanted to be married and raise a family. And if giving the wife lots of cash keeps her happy, then I did my job right?! I used to catch her on payday when I had a good week too and I'd ask her if she had a good week? (She thought I was going to ask for some $!!) and she'd say, yes...then I'd say, me too, here share the wealth baby have some money and give her some of mine.

I worked my entire life. So I didnt get to see how hard she really worked at home all those years raising 2 rowdy boys. ...and all that cleaning! She kept a spotless house and I used to think she was magic or something, lol. After my divorce, I learned just how hard and monotenous doing everything is! She worked hard and I know it. Easier job than the man's lol!

 

[St. SteVen]

It's not "the" problem. I would invite them to dinner only if God instructed me to, and there would be conditions to their entry into my home. They will not be engaging in perversion in my home.

LOL
Seriously?
What do you think they might be doing in your home?

If you put the Dos and Don'ts on a dinner invitation, what would it say?

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[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
What?
This is the problem. And so well stated. Thanks.

AGREED!!!

And I have to say, it doesn't sound very much like "going the extra mile" or giving them your coat AND your shirt.

We're like the Jewish lawyers being told the parable of the man fallen among thieves, who can't even bring ourselves to speak the word "Samaritan" when Jesus asks who the fallen man's neighbor was.

I think I'm going to be ill.

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Yes.
This is such a hot potato issue. Too hot to handle.
Here, this might help.

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[St. SteVen]

That's because all the abc weirdos have many people confused about what gender means now, and what it used to mean.

Good post, thanks.

This is part of the problem.
We need to understand that gender identity, birth sex and sexual orientation are three different things.
They can't be lumped together any more.

I know of committed Christians that still struggle with same sex attraction.
This is a very complex issue. Over-simplifying it only makes things worse.

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[MA2444]

LOL
Seriously?
What do you think they might be doing in your home?

If you put the Dos and Don'ts on a dinner invitation, what would it say?

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That's a good question. I've thought about it too.

The Do's & Don'ts are simple. First why is a homoat my door wanting to stay for dinner? Maybe a friend of mine (doubtful! LOL!!!) tries to say can he bring his homo friend to dinner with him right after I ask him to dinner, or something like that?
Is he a practicing homo? Is he a repentant home? A home in need of Deliverance?
No, he's just happens to be a homo...

Oh. Then I must decline. Active practicing homo's are not welcome at my table.
WHy not?
Because, their queer in nature. And liars. I can prove scrupturally that all people even homo's know it is wrong. So when the choose to be homo, they are in direct rebellion to God. So for me to set meat before them would be to come into agreement with thier sins, and whatever evil spirit is behind it. I can't fo that and I wont do that. If he wants to be nice to the homo buddy of his, he can tell the abc'er that I dont know him so dont trust him and that is the reason.

I'd have to do some deep thinking about that particular friend of mine at that point too!

 

[MA2444]

We need to understand that gender identity, birth sex and sexual orientation are three different things.
They can't be lumped together any more.

Oh my gosh Brother, watch Out! It's a Trap! Don't fall for their lies!
Be careful what you believe!

 

[MA2444]

Why do we single out one sin to make that claim?

--- Parody ---

Conversation between Christian protester and doughnut shop patron. (customer)

Patron: What are doing picketing a donut shop?
Protester: I'm protesting the sin of gluttony.
Patron: Why on earth would you do that?
Protester: Gluttony is a sin, this has to stop.
Patron: Not everyone who buys a donut is a glutton.
Protester: We can't say that for sure.
Patron: Don't you have gluttony at your church?
Protester: No, we kicked them all out, unless they would repent.
Patron: Wow, for eating donuts?
Protester: No, gluttony takes many forms.
Patron: Right, like a church pot-luck dinner?
Protester: Exactly, they are banned at our church.
Patron: Did you know that some people are born with
weight-gain issues they will never get ahead of?
Protester: That's no excuse. Sin is sin.
Patron: You look exhausted, can I buy you a donut?
Protester: Sure, just don't tell the church.
Patron: Your secret's safe with me.

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I think the answer to that question is: It is not the sin that "keeps getting singled out" as if Christians are picking on homo's or something. It's that homo types keep on starting threads centered on being some sort of abc homo. They are screaming for attention! Not us.

When they come to realize that they do need a savior and they live in sins, and become repentant about it and speak from a repentant platform instead of...In the name of christian love why cant we be accepted?! Which is a lie on it's face. THEY know it. We know it. Show me even one thread where there is a ex-homo talking repentance, and Jesus! You can't.

Scripture says they know they lie when they say, it is ok, they were born like that, they cant stop who they are, or who they are attracted to, and all sorts of tripe which, they know are lies, and we know are lies, so to ask for compassion and love while in their sin...is a deception and makes them untrustworthy liars and you must leave right now...that is the response.

Christians can not come into agreement with rebellion to God. That's a fairly basic bibical principle, is it not?

You keep asking for love and compassion for the abc people from us christians. You said before that you are not a homo, right? But if you ask for acceptance for them, then you have already come into agreement with them...Am I right?

Now, on my side of the tracks,technically speaking, that makes you a homo too, whether you realize it or not. In spirit at least. Would you agree?

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
We need to understand that gender identity, birth sex and sexual orientation are three different things.
They can't be lumped together any more.

Oh my gosh Brother, watch Out! It's a Trap! Don't fall for their lies!
Be careful what you believe!

We don't have to AGREE with these things, but it is important that we understand them.
The church has made a black and white issue of something that is very complex.
The message of the church to these people is irrelevant to them. All they see is bigotry and hatred.
Look at all the heat I am taking for merely trying to explain the issues.

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[St. SteVen]

Show me even one thread where there is a ex-homo talking repentance, and Jesus! You can't.

Here's a ton of them.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ex+lgbt+testimony

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[St. SteVen]

You keep asking for love and compassion for the abc people from us christians. You said before that you are not a homo, right? But if you ask for acceptance for them, then you have already come into agreement with them...Am I right?

Not a homo, right.
No, asking for acceptance of them as human beings is NOT agreement with them.

Now, on my side of the tracks,technically speaking, that makes you a homo too, whether you realize it or not. In spirit at least. Would you agree?

No, I don't agree.
If I was taking a stand for racial equality would claim that I was black?

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[MatthewG]

Is this a thread to judge homosexuals and lgbt? Would not God deal with all that? I’m not the judge.