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’ Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part ‘ ( definition )
Very good choice! I think she was an Italian Catholic, which makes me wonder if it's a Catholic thing.
Good. Maria Valtorta followed Jesus as well, as I do, she was just chosen to be his spokesman.
None of the professionals who have analyzed and tested the credibility of Maria Valtorta personally and her literary Works have concluded their findings to be the result of "a Catholic thing." (See post #31)
Yes.
Myself and Maria Valtorta are just two of a numerous number of people who know of Purgatory and what takes place there temporarily.
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Behold
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The Leadership of Hamas, which is literally Iran, said that "there will be more Oct 7", "this is just the first'.. "it will be a wave".
And Israel believes Iran is telling the truth, in this instance.
Here is a photo of one of the Israeli girls who was kidnapped when Hamas on Oct 7, came into Israel, and they massacred 300 or so Younger Israeli's who were having a celebration and a concert.
This particular girl, was raped, her legs broken so she could not run, and finally murdered.
In this photo these Arab animals (muslims) are "showcasing" her like she's some Trophy.
You can see her dead body, lying face down in the back of the truck.
Where are they taking "Noa"?
They took her to a City Center in Gaza, and drove slowly and Gaza citizens came out and stabbed her dead body, to "defile" it.
These same Arabs (Palestinians) were perhaps among those who waited until Hamas had finished butchering Jews in their villages, and then these (perhaps) same citizens, went into the Villages, stepping over the "freshly" murdered jews, and went into their homes and stole all they could carry back to Gaza.
So....What some people can't seem to grasp is that these same Islamic "Palestinians" will do this to your children and to you, if they can capture you.
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Noa Argamani
On 7 October 2023, 25-year-old Israeli woman Noa Argamani (Hebrew: נועה ארגמני) was abducted by Hamas during the Re'im music festival massacre, part of the 2023 Hamas attack on Israel."""
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And Israel believes Iran is telling the truth, in this instance.
Here is a photo of one of the Israeli girls who was kidnapped when Hamas on Oct 7, came into Israel, and they massacred 300 or so Younger Israeli's who were having a celebration and a concert.
This particular girl, was raped, her legs broken so she could not run, and finally murdered.
In this photo these Arab animals (muslims) are "showcasing" her like she's some Trophy.
You can see her dead body, lying face down in the back of the truck.
Where are they taking "Noa"?
They took her to a City Center in Gaza, and drove slowly and Gaza citizens came out and stabbed her dead body, to "defile" it.
These same Arabs (Palestinians) were perhaps among those who waited until Hamas had finished butchering Jews in their villages, and then these (perhaps) same citizens, went into the Villages, stepping over the "freshly" murdered jews, and went into their homes and stole all they could carry back to Gaza.
So....What some people can't seem to grasp is that these same Islamic "Palestinians" will do this to your children and to you, if they can capture you.
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Noa ArgamaniOn 7 October 2023, 25-year-old Israeli woman Noa Argamani (Hebrew: נועה ארגמני) was abducted by Hamas during the Re'im music festival massacre, part of the 2023 Hamas attack on Israel."""
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Jesus decided to make Maria Valtorta His spokesman, and she's not His only one. In post #31, I've shared the findings of professionals who have analyzed and tested the credibility of Maria personally and her literary Works, which lend credence to her claimed experiences with Him.
You won't find the name "Purgatory" used in Old and New Testament accounts, but the place is implicitly referred to: "It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins" (2. Macc. 12:46).
According to Jesus, through His spokesmen, such as Maria Valtorta and Maria Simma, He explains that Purgatory is a place where just souls who die but still require purification go before they can enter Heaven, and the prayers of souls on earth for them help their purification process, and thus shorten their stay there. Maria Simma described this temporary dwelling thus:
"Suppose that one day a door opens, and a splendid being appears, extremely beautiful, of a beauty that has never been seen on earth. You are fascinated, overwhelmed by this being of light and beauty, even more so that this being shows that he is madly in love with you -- you have never dreamed of being loved so much. You sense too that he has a great desire to draw you to him, to be one with you. And the fire of love which burns in your heart impels you to throw yourself into his arms. But wait -- you realize at this moment that you haven't washed for months and months, that you smell bad; you nose is running, your hair is greasy and matted, there are big dirty stains on your clothes, etc. So you say to yourself, "No, I just can't present myself in this state. First I must go and wash: a good shower, then straight away I'll come back.
But the love which has been born in your heart is so intense, so burning, so strong, that this delay for the shower is absolutely unbearable. And the pain of the absence, even if it only lasts for a couple of minutes, is an atrocious wound in the heart, proportional to the intensity of the revelation of the love -- it is a "love-wound".
Purgatory is exactly this. It's a delay imposed by our impurity, a delay before God's embrace, a wound of love which causes intense suffering, a waiting, if you like, a nostalgia for love. It is precisely this burning, this longing which cleanses us of whatever is still impure in us. Purgatory is a place of desire, a made desire for God, desire for this God whom we already know, for we have seen him, but with whom we are not yet united."
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Behold
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Your verse is not found in any Hebrew OT (Torah) and its only accepted by the "cult of Mary" and only found in their demonic "Douay Rheims" version.
Not only were the 7 Deuterocanonical Books (Baruch, Wisdom, Judith, Tobit, Sirach and Maccabees 1 & 2) a part of the OPEN Jewish Canon before and during the life of Christ, they are referenced some 200 times in the New Testament. Here are a few examples:
Eph. 6:13-17 - in fact, the whole discussion of armor, helmet, breastplate, sword, shield follows Wis. 5:17-20.
Heb. 11:35 - Paul teaches about the martyrdom of the mother and her sons described in 2 Macc. 7:1-42.
1 Pet. 1:6-7 - Peter teaches about testing faith by purgatorial fire as described in Wis. 3:5-6 and Sir. 2:5.
Matt. 7:12 - Jesus' golden rule "do unto others" is the converse of Tob. 4:15 - what you hate, do not do to others.
As for WHEN the Deuterocanonicals were ejected from Scripture, that's an interesting bit of history...
The Septuagint (Greek OT) was translated by 70 JEWISH (NOT Catholic) scholars about 200 years before the birth of Christ.
There were 7 Books that were part of the OPEN Jewish Canon (Baruch, Wisdom, Judith, Tobit, Sirach, Maccabees 1 & 2) along with portions of Daniel and Esther. This is the Canon of Scripture that Jesus and the NT writers studied from.
AFTER Jesus Died, Resurrected, and Ascended to Heaven, the Apostles started their mission. Around the year 70 AD, Jerusalem was sacked by the Romans and the Temple was destroyed. SOME rabbis began to have second thoughts about the Deuterocanonical Books because of their "Hellenistic" influence in the Diaspora (Dispersed Jews). Around the year 135, during the 2nd Jewish Revolt, a rabbi named Akiva declared TWO things:
I. The Deuterocanonical Books needed to be REMOVED from the OPEN Canon, and the canon CLOSED.
II. A man named Simon Bar Kokhba was the "real" messiah. Of course, he turned out to be a false messiah, making Akiva a false prophet.
SO, Protestants adhere to a POST-Christ, POST-Temple OT Canon that was determined by a FALSE Prophet (Akiva) who declared a FALSE Christ (Kokhba).
It's Protestants who have a much bigger problem than a simple rejection of these 7 Deuterocanonical Books. They have the task of trying to reason why God would have allowed these "uninspired" books to be considered Scripture for the first 1500 years of Christianity. That is A LOT of people who were duped for 15 centuries — or were they? Did Jesus tell the Apostle that the Holy Spirit would guide His Church to SOME Truth or to ALL Truth? (Jn. 16:12-15)
The fact is that Jesus and the NT writers studied from and referenced the Septuagint, as I have illustrated, which included the 7 Deuterocanonical Books and portions of Daniel and Esther that were jettisoned from the Hebrew Bible. At Jabned, a new Septuagint was compiled sans those Books.
Eminent Protestant historian, J.N.D. Kelly observed: “It should be observed that the Old Testament thus admitted as authoritative in the Church was somewhat bulkier and more comprehensive...
It included, though with varying degrees of recognition, the so-called apocrypha or Deuterocanonical books.”
The fact is that the Deuterocanonicals were part of the Septuagint during Jesus's time. I have already provided examples from the NT with regard to this. The rabbis at Jabneh removed the Deuterocanonicals from the Septuagint, hence a "new" version was created.
There are 5 major Traditions in the first century:
- The Samaritan tradition
- The Sadducee tradition
- The Pharisee tradition
- The Essene tradition
- The Septuagint tradition
Only the Samaritan and Sadducee Traditions were fixed or closed. None of the others were considered “closed.”
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Behold
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Its good to see you spit on the Real Bible, and show your true "cult of mary' colors.
Continue to stand up and be counted for your "cult of Mary" as the Mods and members here need to witness it, and learn something.
The fact is, the "cult of mary " Bible, is demonic, is man made, and is a blasphemous piece of evil.
In fact, it blasphemes the Cross of Christ and rejects the Holy Spirit of God, in John 3.
Your "cult of mary" doctrine of devil's "bible" states that YOU and all "cult of mary" members were "born again of-BY water".
"born again.... of-BY= water"..
And THAT is a Cross denying Blasphemy against the HOLY SPIRIT.
How so?
Its because its the HOLY SPIRIT who "births" a Believers spirit as = BORN AGAIN.. and not WATER, as your truth denying "cult of Mary" teaches, as its LIE, among so many more.
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Anti-Catholic polemics is all you have in reply to the evidence in post #52 that proves the 7 Deuterocanonical Books (Baruch, Wisdom, Judith, Tobit, Sirach and Maccabees 1 & 2) were a part of the OPEN Jewish Canon before and during the life of Christ, and are referenced some 200 times in the New Testament?
Again, you won't find the name "Purgatory" used in Old and New Testament accounts, but the place is implicitly referred to: "It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins" (2. Macc. 12:46).
Regarding the Blessed Virgin Mary's being sinless, Jesus referred to Himself as God in various ways more than once, even the Pharisees understood that He did, which is why they told him they were going to stone Him for "blasphemy" for "making Himself God." Mary conceived Jesus, God Incarnate. Consider, only the High Priest was allowed into the Holy of Holies to offer sacrifice to God for the sins of humanity. Would one not have to be so perfect, to the point of being second to God, in order to conceive God Incarnate, the most Holy and Perfect One, and offer Him, God the Son, to God the Father as sacrifice for the sins of humanity?
Not in any Christian Bible I've read!
Jesus was Mary's Savior. He was the ONLY one the NT says was sinless. She was a sinner like all of us.
Not only were the 7 Deuterocanonical Books (Baruch, Wisdom, Judith, Tobit, Sirach and Maccabees 1 & 2) a part of the OPEN Jewish Canon before and during the life of Christ, they are referenced some 200 times in the New Testament. Here are a few examples:
Eph. 6:13-17 - in fact, the whole discussion of armor, helmet, breastplate, sword, shield follows Wis. 5:17-20.
Heb. 11:35 - Paul teaches about the martyrdom of the mother and her sons described in 2 Macc. 7:1-42.
1 Pet. 1:6-7 - Peter teaches about testing faith by purgatorial fire as described in Wis. 3:5-6 and Sir. 2:5.
Matt. 7:12 - Jesus' golden rule "do unto others" is the converse of Tob. 4:15 - what you hate, do not do to others.
As for WHEN the Deuterocanonicals were ejected from Scripture, that's an interesting bit of history...
The Septuagint (Greek OT) was translated by 70 JEWISH (NOT Catholic) scholars about 200 years before the birth of Christ.
There were 7 Books that were part of the OPEN Jewish Canon (Baruch, Wisdom, Judith, Tobit, Sirach, Maccabees 1 & 2) along with portions of Daniel and Esther. This is the Canon of Scripture that Jesus and the NT writers studied from.
AFTER Jesus Died, Resurrected, and Ascended to Heaven, the Apostles started their mission. Around the year 70 AD, Jerusalem was sacked by the Romans and the Temple was destroyed. SOME rabbis began to have second thoughts about the Deuterocanonical Books because of their "Hellenistic" influence in the Diaspora (Dispersed Jews). Around the year 135, during the 2nd Jewish Revolt, a rabbi named Akiva declared TWO things:
I. The Deuterocanonical Books needed to be REMOVED from the OPEN Canon, and the canon CLOSED.
II. A man named Simon Bar Kokhba was the "real" messiah. Of course, he turned out to be a false messiah, making Akiva a false prophet.
SO, Protestants adhere to a POST-Christ, POST-Temple OT Canon that was determined by a FALSE Prophet (Akiva) who declared a FALSE Christ (Kokhba).
It's Protestants who have a much bigger problem than a simple rejection of these 7 Deuterocanonical Books. They have the task of trying to reason why God would have allowed these uninspired books to be considered Scripture for the first 1500 years of Christianity. That is A LOT of people who were duped for 15 centuries — or were they? Did Jesus tell the Apostle that the Holy Spirit would guide His Church to SOME Truth or to ALL Truth? (John 16:12-15)
The fact is that Jesus and the NT writers studied from and referenced the Septuagint, as I have illustrated, which included the 7 Deuterocanonical Books and portions of Daniel and Esther that were jettisoned from the Hebrew Bible. At Jabned, a new Septuagint was compiled sans those Books.
Eminent Protestant historian, J.N.D. Kelly observed: “It should be observed that the Old Testament thus admitted as authoritative in the Church was somewhat bulkier and more comprehensive...
It included, though with varying degrees of recognition, the so-called apocrypha or Deuterocanonical books.”
The fact is that the Deuterocanonicals were part of the Septuagint during Jesus's time. I have already provided examples from the NT with regard to this. The rabbis at Jabneh removed the Deuterocanonicals from the Septuagint, hence a "new" version was created.
There are 5 major Traditions in the first century:
- The Samaritan tradition
- The Sadducee tradition
- The Pharisee tradition
- The Essene tradition
- The Septuagint tradition
Only the Samaritan and Sadducee Traditions were fixed or closed. None of the others were considered “closed.”
God is Mary's Savior because He preserved Her soul from inheriting the stain of original sin, and thus She was born with an immaculate soul, which allowed Her to be full of His Grace, and coupled with Her natural good will She never sinned. Only someone so perfect as to be second to God could conceive God Incarnate, the most Holy and Perfect One.
Jesus referred to Himself as God in various ways more than once, even the Pharisees understood that He did, which is why they told him they were going to stone Him for "blasphemy" for "making Himself God." Mary conceived Jesus, God Incarnate. Consider, only the High Priest was allowed into the Holy of Holies to offer sacrifice to God for the sins of humanity. Would one not have to be so perfect, to the point of being second to God, in order to conceive God Incarnate, the most Holy and Perfect One, and offer Him, God the Son, to God the Father as sacrifice for the sins of humanity? Yes or no?
Behold
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Look in the mirror, as all your sources are "cult of mary", including this "Catholic" woman you are promoting..
So, my "evidence' is your demonic "Douay Rheims", bible.
My Evidence is that 20 ft High / 609 cm plastic Mary in photo 1 i posted, and the same plastic Mary that is being worshipped by your "Pope", on the cover of the Catholic book that is dedicated to his worship of Mary..
Its the "cult of Mary", remember?
So, Im being honest.
You however, are being "Catholic'.
So, anti-Catholic polemics is all you have in reply to the evidence in post #52 that proves the following:
- The 7 Deuterocanonical Books (Baruch, Wisdom, Judith, Tobit, Sirach and Maccabees 1 & 2) were a part of the OPEN Jewish Canon before and during the life of Christ, and are referenced some 200 times in the New Testament, then ejected from Scripture.
- Protestants adhere to a POST-Christ, POST-Temple OT Canon that was determined by a FALSE Prophet (Akiva) who declared a FALSE Christ (Kokhba).
1 Peter 2:21-22
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
22 "Who committed no sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth";
Where does the NT say that about Mary? It doesn't!
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