The World v. Israel

[Soulx3]

Sinless has nothing to do with holiness.

So, Jesus's sinlessness is not a reason for why He is called the Holy One?

 

[Soulx3]

Sinless has nothing to do with holiness.

So, Jesus's sinlessness is not holiness, and thus not a reason for why He is called the Holy One?

 

[Jack]

So, Jesus's sinlessness is not holiness, and thus not a reason for why He is called the Holy One?

Are you sinless? Of course not. Does that mean you're not holy?

Hebrews 12:14
14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:

 

[Soulx3]

Are you sinless? Of course not. Does that mean you're not holy?

Hebrews 12:14
14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:

You said, "Sinless has nothing to do with holiness." That means Jesus's sinlessness is not holiness, and thus not a reason for why He is called the Holy One. Do you, a Christian, really stand by that?

 

[Jack]

You said, "Sinless has nothing to do with holiness." That means Jesus's sinlessness is not holiness, and thus not a reason for why He is called the Holy One. Do you, a Christian, really stand by that?

Sinless does not mean holy!

Hebrews 12:14
14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:

 

[Bob Estey]

Jesus decided to make Maria Valtorta His spokesman, and she's not His only one. In post #31, I've shared the findings of professionals who have analyzed and tested the credibility of Maria personally and her literary Works, which lend credence to her claimed experiences with Him.

She says she is talking for Christ, and you believe her.

 

[Soulx3]

Sinless does not mean holy!

Since you say sinless does not mean holy, then that means you say that Jesus, who was sinless, was not holy.

 

[Jack]

Since you say sinless does not mean holy, then that means you say that Jesus, who was sinless, was not holy.

I think you're a troll.

 

[Soulx3]

She says she is talking for Christ, and you believe her.

I believe her wholeheartedly, from a spiritual, historical, mathematical, astronomical, geographical, agricultural, and cartographical standpoint, thanks to Jesus, further validated by the professionals in the aforementioned fields who have analyzed and tested the credibility of Maria Valtorta personally and her literary works. Below are just a few:

(i) The results from the mathematical analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:

In conclusion, what do these findings mean? That Maria Valtorta is such a good writer to be able to modulate the linguistic parameters in so many different ways and as a function of character of the plot and type of literary text, so as to cover almost the entire range of the Italian literature? Or that visions and dictations really occurred and she was only a mystical, very intelligent and talented “writing tool”? Of course, no answer grounded in science can be given to the latter question.

(ii) The results from the astronomical and meteorological analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:

It seems that she has written down observations and facts that really happened at the time of Jesus’ life, as a real witness of them would have done. The question arises, unsolved from a point of view exclusively rational, how all this is possible because what Maria Valtorta writes down cannot, in any way, be traced back to her fantasy or to her astronomical and meteorological knowledge. In conclusion, if from one hand the scientific inquire has evidenced all the surprising and unexpected results reported and discussed in this paper, on the other hand our actual scientific knowledge cannot readily explain how these results are possible.

(iii) In David Webster, M.Div.'s chapter "Proof by Geography and Topography and Archaeology" of A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work, he relates:

An additional line of incontrovertible evidence (which Valtorta was encouraged by Jesus to include for the benefit of “the difficult doctors” of the Church) deals with the vast amount of geographical, climatic, agricultural, historical, astronomical, and cartographical information given in her work. Authorities in these fields have verified the accuracy of what she has reported with appropriate astonishment. Valtorta accurately identifies this agricultural and climatic information that is often unique to Palestine with the appropriate calendar period which she often specifically identifies. Without any evidence of planning and with hardly any corrections, Valtorta ends up with a perfectly flowing 3½ year story line with Jesus appropriately in Jerusalem and Judea for Passover and Pentecost in all four spring seasons, and at the Tabernacles in all three fall seasons of His ministry. Valtorta shows Jesus to have traversed the land of Palestine from one end to another in at least six cycles (some 4,000 miles), ministering in some 350 named locations, including places in Palestine known only to specialized archaeologists. Not once, however, does she have Jesus (or any one of the other 500 characters) in a place inconsistent with either the story line or distance or timing necessities.

(iv) In professional engineer Jean-François Lavère's The Valtorta Enigma, he writes:

The work [The Poem of the Man-God] overflows with exact data from the viewpoint of history, topography, architecture, geography, ethnology, chronology, etc. Furthermore, Maria Valtorta often provides precise details known only by some scholars, and in certain cases, she even records details totally unknown at the time she recorded them, and which archeology, history, or science have later confirmed.

 

[Jack]

You said, "Sinless does not mean holy" which means Jesus, who was sinless, was not Holy. If I'm right, then I'm not a troll. If I'm wrong, then say Jesus's sinlessness makes Him Holy.

Go troll someone else.

 

[Soulx3]

Go troll someone else.

You said, "Sinless does not mean holy" which means Jesus, who was without sin, was not Holy. If I'm right, then I'm not a troll. If I'm wrong, then so is Peter who said Jesus never sinned (1 Pet. 2:22) and was holy in all His behavior. (1 Pet. 1:15-16)

 

[Bob Estey]

I believe her wholeheartedly, from a spiritual, historical, mathematical, astronomical, geographical, agricultural, and cartographical standpoint, thanks to Jesus, further validated by the professionals in the aforementioned fields who have analyzed and tested the credibility of Maria Valtorta personally and her literary works. Below are just a few:

(i) The results from the mathematical analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:



(ii) The results from the astronomical and meteorological analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:



(iii) In David Webster, M.Div.'s chapter "Proof by Geography and Topography and Archaeology" of A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work, he relates:



(iv) In professional engineer Jean-François Lavère's The Valtorta Enigma, he writes:

I think it's unwise to blindly follow a human being.

 

[Soulx3]

I think it's unwise to blindly follow a human being.

Like I told you in post #37, I agree that one shouldn't unquestionably believe something claimed to have come from God, which is why when you asked me how I know Maria Valtorta's writings come from Jesus, I didn't answer with, "I know because she said so." Again, I know, for example, from a spiritual, historical, mathematical, astronomical, geographical, agricultural, and cartographical standpoint, thanks to Him, further validated by the professionals in the aforementioned fields who have analyzed and tested the credibility of Maria personally and her literary Works. Below are a few:

(i) The results from the mathematical analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:

In conclusion, what do these findings mean? That Maria Valtorta is such a good writer to be able to modulate the linguistic parameters in so many different ways and as a function of character of the plot and type of literary text, so as to cover almost the entire range of the Italian literature? Or that visions and dictations really occurred and she was only a mystical, very intelligent and talented “writing tool”? Of course, no answer grounded in science can be given to the latter question.

(ii) The results from the astronomical and meteorological analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:

It seems that she has written down observations and facts that really happened at the time of Jesus’ life, as a real witness of them would have done. The question arises, unsolved from a point of view exclusively rational, how all this is possible because what Maria Valtorta writes down cannot, in any way, be traced back to her fantasy or to her astronomical and meteorological knowledge. In conclusion, if from one hand the scientific inquire has evidenced all the surprising and unexpected results reported and discussed in this paper, on the other hand our actual scientific knowledge cannot readily explain how these results are possible.

(iii) In David Webster, M.Div.'s chapter "Proof by Geography and Topography and Archaeology" of A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work, he relates:

An additional line of incontrovertible evidence (which Valtorta was encouraged by Jesus to include for the benefit of “the difficult doctors” of the Church) deals with the vast amount of geographical, climatic, agricultural, historical, astronomical, and cartographical information given in her work. Authorities in these fields have verified the accuracy of what she has reported with appropriate astonishment. Valtorta accurately identifies this agricultural and climatic information that is often unique to Palestine with the appropriate calendar period which she often specifically identifies. Without any evidence of planning and with hardly any corrections, Valtorta ends up with a perfectly flowing 3½ year story line with Jesus appropriately in Jerusalem and Judea for Passover and Pentecost in all four spring seasons, and at the Tabernacles in all three fall seasons of His ministry. Valtorta shows Jesus to have traversed the land of Palestine from one end to another in at least six cycles (some 4,000 miles), ministering in some 350 named locations, including places in Palestine known only to specialized archaeologists. Not once, however, does she have Jesus (or any one of the other 500 characters) in a place inconsistent with either the story line or distance or timing necessities.

(iv) In professional engineer Jean-François Lavère's The Valtorta Enigma, he writes:

The work [The Poem of the Man-God] overflows with exact data from the viewpoint of history, topography, architecture, geography, ethnology, chronology, etc. Furthermore, Maria Valtorta often provides precise details known only by some scholars, and in certain cases, she even records details totally unknown at the time she recorded them, and which archeology, history, or science have later confirmed.

 

[Bob Estey]

Like I told you in post #37, I agree that one shouldn't unquestionably believe something claimed to have come from God, which is why when you asked me how I know Maria Valtorta's writings come from Jesus, I didn't answer with, "I know because she said so." Again, I know, for example, from a spiritual, historical, mathematical, astronomical, geographical, agricultural, and cartographical standpoint, thanks to Him, further validated by the professionals in the aforementioned fields who have analyzed and tested the credibility of Maria personally and her literary Works. Below are a few:

(i) The results from the mathematical analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:



(ii) The results from the astronomical and meteorological analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:



(iii) In David Webster, M.Div.'s chapter "Proof by Geography and Topography and Archaeology" of A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work, he relates:



(iv) In professional engineer Jean-François Lavère's The Valtorta Enigma, he writes:

It seems to me you are blindly following Maria Valtorta.

 

[Soulx3]

It seems to me you are blindly following Maria Valtorta.

Then, you don't know what it means to "blindly follow."

 

[BlessedPeace]

 

[Bob Estey]

Then, you don't know what it means to blindly follow.

You believe that she is the messenger of Jesus. You are following her blindly.

 

[Soulx3]

You believe that she is the messenger of Jesus. You are following her blindly.

This is the second time you've shown that you do not understand what it means to "blindly follow."

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I happen to be a strong supporter of Israel. I contribute generously (by my standards anyway) to the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. That being said, Israel is one of the most atheistic nations on earth as well as one of the most pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ nations on earth. It is a little difficult to equate the nation of Israel with the biblical Israel. The Israel-Hamas conflict, while it may have religious elements, is really just another unfortunate instance of humans thinking that killing other humans is a solution to anything. I understand Israel's position - as I said to my wife, you can't eliminate a cockroach infestation by killing only those you see - but there are nuances that most zealots overlook. It is too simplistic to view it as "God's people versus Evil."

Islam wants to kill every Jew on Earth ! if one does not believe that, one is a fool !
Islam wants to kill every Christian on earth ! if one does not believe that, one is a fool !

The Jews in the State of Israel is not worthy of Grace ! so it's not Israel in fact !

All people who are truly born again are worthy of Christ Jesus in fact ! Outside of that one is only religious, regardless of ones denomination or Religion, be it a Christian or Jew or Islam etc, as all people are religious regardless, even tho most devout Atheist is religious regardless what they claim, even Communism is a religion ?

Islam sees everyone as a abomination, who does not submit to be enslaved under their religion. if one does not believe that one is a fool !

Communism sees everyone as a abomination, who does not submit totally to be enslaved under this religion ?

Socialism is another religion that dominates by Political Correctness ! the same Key to Nazi power and Communist power, for without PC then they have no power base in fact to dominate over everyone in fact !

Capitalism can be another religion, if it's idolised by fools as such can be abuse because of corruption, not to mention Socialist work to abuse Capitalism to their own ends and the far right are enslaved to such childish retarded pathetic abuse.

But one day, as the worthy OT Jews in the State called Israel, as they say, hope that this State will become Israel !
Now the day will come that the State will come about ? but they will have to become like the first Jews who followed Jesus and then they became truly born again, when Jesus went to Heaven and could be seen by the worthy Jews that he was Christ Jesus in fact and they were the first Christians in fact !

Now Jesus pointed out about this world, that it was full of deceptions and delusions in fact ! so we as worthy in Christ Jesus understand, what we are dealing with in fact, so do not be surprised that the Media is owned by Anti-Christ who work to control the people, that's how it worked it's magic in Nazi Germany and Communist Nations in fact and not to mention, us in the West, and this propaganda arm of the Media has moved up the gears in the last 20 years or so and the last 10 years or so, it's in top gear and way out of control with outright stupid propaganda, that is on par with Nazi Germany and Communist insanity !

The main reason why the Stat of Israel was attacked as to do with the NWO and the Socialist take over of the world in fact and it's Joe Biden and Co who's intent is to bring this order into Dominance !
So we see such a Power has to get rid of the PM of Israel in fact and destroy this Party and then the Socialist have Israel in the Bag !
This is why this PM and his Party is the real issue that is being attacked by the Whore Media, this is the whole intent of the War that Joe Biden and Co have created this attack on the State Israel, not to mention Socialist Jews let this all happen ! it is their War to bring about total dominance of Socialism in the area.

Then we can also see the reason how the NWO Joe Biden and Co created the stupid idiot War in Ukraine ! when this could of been dealt with by an election in fact ! but No the powers that be, did not want democracy to take place, with the people in them area's of the East Ukraine to have that right in fact, why ? well everyone knows that with a democratic Vote Russia would win by amount 80% in fact, so Ukraine would lose in fact !
So why would Ukraine want War and have no regard for the people who live in the Area ? well Oil and Gas in fact and not to mention taking over the Russian Military Base !
That's the Key reason for Ukraine and the next Key reason regarding Joe Biden is, he does not want cheap fuel in fact ! for he wants to force people into electric cars ! so with Putin loose to sell Oil and Gas cheap, Biden and Co plan to save the world from climate change will not work !

Not to mention that the NWO intent is to reduce the world's population by 80% ! They have set limits on how many Cows, Pigs etc etc are allowed in fact and are bringing in limits of what you all can eat ! If one does not understand this is what their intent truly is, one is not awake to their intent truly is.

One of the wonderful things is with the NWO you will not have to Vote in the future ! for that will be take care of for you ? Such intent is taking place in the last 10 years or so anyway, by unelected officials. The UN, NATO, WHO etc taking charge over our Governments in fact and you have no say in such matters !
Like the UN claims that the peoples right to Vote in East Ukraine do not have the right to Vote ! but them People do want to have the right to Vote in fact and the MSM play the bastard with this fact ! Who denied them people the right to Vote ? and what happened to them people ? and their homes ! if they had the right to Vote, they would be sweet in their lives in fact ! no War, no lost of homes in fact !
So who brought this War down on them people ? Joe Biden in fact, with USA Tax payers funded piggy bank backing up a War that they forced Putin's hand into to this stupid idiot War, that never should of got off the ground in fact, if only the people only knew the real intent !

 

[Bob Estey]

This is the second time you've shown that you do not understand what it means to "blindly follow."

Lots of people claim to speak for Christ, but Christ speaks for himself through prayer.