BarneyFife
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Your position sounds like grace is everything, the way you live is irrelevant, only belief in Jesus matters.
I have to say, this is truly bizarre reasoning. You're definitely barking up the wrong tree.
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Your position sounds like grace is everything, the way you live is irrelevant, only belief in Jesus matters.
Well, since it has been a couple thousand years since Jesus as not only son of God but God Himself actually walked the earth.. HOW can "The Lord pleading with His people that if they would only acknowledge their sin and return unto Him, then HE will heal what needs healing in their land"... be accomplished when there are more people not His are walking these 50 states then those who willingly humble themselves.It is man who makes his own idol then FALLS down to worship it.. The Lord showed me in a dream....that it didn't originate with DT. But it is the people who are making him into a "messiah" figure and egging him on.....and the old saying is still true, that power corrupts. The people themselves are forgetting that it's supposed to be government FOR the people and BY the people and they are craving and seeking a flesh and blood King to be their saviour and lord like Israel of old.
One way you can tell if something or someone is an idol in someone's heart is if they often get mad as a hornet if you voice any type of level-headed critique about their idol. It really hits a nerve if you touch or try to tip over someone's sacred cow.
Christianity in the west is adding sin to sin now. God is our ONLY hope. When He turns and becomes our Adversary it is HE we need to make amends with, and seek terms of peace with HIM. The Lord pleading with His people that if they would only acknowledge their sin and return unto Him, then HE will heal what needs healing in their land.
Do you even understand the gospel?Your position sounds like grace is everything, the way you live is irrelevant, only belief in Jesus matters.
The problem with this believers can do anything, and there is no moral consequence, yet abortion is murder so terrible.
I see the church - believers not unbelievers in the land - as being to blame for losing ground in our respective nations. The church has turned aside to idols and sins and false doctrines that are man pleasing and politically correct. The gospel is no longer holding sway in the land because of it.....instead of being the head and not the tail, we have become the tail following the world. When there is sin in the camp, judgment ensues. So it is we the church that needs to repent in order to turn God's judgment back. IF we will. Time is running out for that.....the very thing many think is going to solve the problem is actually just the bait for something not good, like a two edge sword....it's a rock and a hard place now. I believe really there is only hope for a remnant now, in my opinion, who will "come out of her".Well, since it has been a couple thousand years since Jesus as not only son of God but God Himself actually walked the earth.. HOW can "The Lord pleading with His people that if they would only acknowledge their sin and return unto Him, then HE will heal what needs healing in their land"... be accomplished when there are more people not His are walking these 50 states then those who willingly humble themselves.
So He will not be coming back to sit in the Whitehouse.... Correcting all the wrongs in this nation.
But there has to be someone.
You say it is wrong to want a living person to correct things that we are forced to live with
that we admire and like?
I do not call that idol worship.. I call that watching out for my and my brothers back!
I am just putting forward a view of theology that gives a realistic view of what is conception and its meaning.well you are defintely seeing what you want to see . that is for sure and for certain .
and all to defend abortion and those rights .
I have to laugh. If behaviour does not matter why fight against immoral behaviour?Do you even understand the gospel?
Your position sounds like normal religious thinking that you of yourself can actually do something that pleases God and through these deeds God will forgive you of your sin and let you into heaven.
Man will do anything and everthing to justify why he do as he do .I see the church - believers not unbelievers in the land - as being to blame for losing ground in our respective nations. The church has turned aside to idols and sins and false doctrines that are man pleasing and politically correct. The gospel is no longer holding sway in the land because of it.....instead of being the head and not the tail, we have become the tail following the world. When there is sin in the camp, judgment ensues. So it is we the church that needs to repent in order to turn God's judgment back. IF we will. Time is running out for that.....the very thing many think is going to solve the problem is actually just the bait for something not good, like a two edge sword....it's a rock and a hard place now. I believe really there is only hope for a remnant now, in my opinion, who will "come out of her".
Ordinarily it's not wrong to want to "hire" (elect) capable administrators to do the practical job of administrating practical things. But if that's where we are placing our hope and trust, then we have a problem with God. It's like we can go to the doctor if we have a medical issue, but our trust still needs to be in God and not be replacing Him in our heart with a medical professional. With politics now many are confusing/conflating a political battle with the spiritual one instead of keeping them separate. We are not to mix the holy with the common/profane. And we are not to replace our spiritual weapons with carnal methods. I believe it's not a sin to just go and vote in the ordinary way for ordinary purposes.....but it is a sin of we are regarding idolatry in our hearts.
If we could be good enough, Christ would have stayed in heaven. James said if we even stumble in one sin we are worthy of death. Why do you puff yourself up? Your works are as filthy bloody rags.I have to laugh. If behaviour does not matter why fight against immoral behaviour?
Behavior will impact our LIVESIt is as bad as atheists who argue life has no meaning while claiming to be humanitarians.
Either behaviour impacts our lives and is worth of judgement by society and the courts or it is irrelevant.
Jesus approved of the Pharisees and their teaching but not their behaviour. Anyone who knows how to
love others and forgive understands what Jesus is talking about.
Paul went so far as to say the church is the example of Christ in the world, a light in the darkness.
If that light is no different than the lost world other than is declarations of belief then it is salt without its
saltiness.
Who loves God? Those who obey His commands. Why? Because they agree that loving others is the highest
ethical behaviour a human can partake in and is Gods heart and essence.
The appalling nature of abortion should be enough for people to avoid it at all costs, but to ban it, just creates
worse harm to young people.
if the works of man and his righteousnes are but filthy ragsIf we could be good enough, Christ would have stayed in heaven. James said if we even stumble in one sin we are worthy of death. Why do you puff yourself up? Your works are as filthy bloody rags.
Behavior will impact our LIVES
but it will nto impact our eternity.. You deserve hell. and nothing you can do on this earth will remove that condemnation from you.. You better put your eternity in Gods hands
Many fatherless children do say good riddance and want to commit suicide. And the jails are full of them because they don't have any self worth.......they have a death wish and self-destructive tendencies.. Many wouldn't have chosen to live at the moment of conception if they knew what awaited them in this life....same with many of their mothers who suffer excruciatingly right along with them and wonder if they really did the right thing to bring their child into such a life. I know because I've lived it....thankfully and mercifully the Lord has redeemed us both so at least we have a future hope. My son surrendered to the Lord only a couple of years ago, and he is 45 now.An interesting question. Most are doomed to hell. In this theology the gift of life is suffering on earth with failure,
a lack of love and disappointment followed by an eternity of torture.
If I had a time machine and said to someone this is your life, would they say, good ridence or bring it on?
I actually believe the gift of life is that, a true wonderful gift, but also it needs handling well.
Labelling mothers murderers and the doctors who help them, criminals makes things worse rather than better.
I understand you have a problem with my post. It's interesting how you misrepresent what I stated by wording it differently. And then take off on criticizing replies in this thread having done that by saying, "this thread just seems to be bringing out the worst in people's desperation to defend their own political views and heroes/idols."People are entitled to their naive and indefensible opinions?
If it's just an opinion and they're entitled to it, why does it need to be defensible?
And "indefensible at the very least?" Is naivete vastly ("very") worse than something that is indefensible?
This thread just seems to be bringing out the worst in people's desperation to defend their own political views and heroes/idols.
Most Americans look to party presidential candidates because they're too selfish and lazy to change the world beginning with themselves and within their own communities.
Will Rogers once wisely said that Americans vote based on how much money they have in their wallets at election time. And I've personally witnessed this phenomenon work countless times in my life. My father-in-law was a die-hard union man in the '70s and '80s but when he got laid off a few times and was compelled to start himself a business in the '90s, he became radically conservative practically overnight. Things have become more (deceptively) sophisticated since Will Rogers's day, but basic human nature and motivation has not.
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Yes everyone deserves the fiery depths of the lake of fire .If we could be good enough, Christ would have stayed in heaven. James said if we even stumble in one sin we are worthy of death. Why do you puff yourself up? Your works are as filthy bloody rags.
Behavior will impact our LIVES
but it will nto impact our eternity.. You deserve hell. and nothing you can do on this earth will remove that condemnation from you.. You better put your eternity in Gods hands
Yes , the church need only to warn against such wicked pratices . But we sure dont hunt them down and put them to death .Many fatherless children do say good riddance and want to commit suicide. And the jails are full of them because they don't have any self worth.......they have a death wish and self-destructive tendencies.. Many wouldn't have chosen to live at the moment of conception if they knew what awaited them in this life....same with many of their mothers who suffer excruciatingly right along with them and wonder if they really did the right thing to bring their child into such a life. I know because I've lived it....thankfully and mercifully the Lord has redeemed us both so at least we have a future hope. My son surrendered to the Lord only a couple of years ago, and he is 45 now.
I believe there may be room for nuance in a discussion about abortion, but only for the sake of discussion, because I don't believe it's the business of the church to make Laws and throw people in jail, or worse, for breaking them. It used to be that "churchmen" would hunt down and murder homosexuals, and burn women alive for allegedly being witches. Last time I read, that wasn't the mandate Jesus delegated to His body on earth. Our weapons are not carnal. And how about unwed mothers being ostracized by "Christian society" to the point where nobody would give them a job and they were forced to prostitute themselves so that they and their child could survive....and then be further judged, condemned and thrown in jail by "decent Christian people" for doing so. My how we make a mess of things sometimes...the "church" has a lot to answer for. So yes, I believe we might humbly consider that our "stance" on abortion might be worth examining at least, since we are CLEARLY not infallible. ( Maybe not on this thread though, except insofar as it might be tied into this whole political thing. Sometimes we think we're being righteous to have a "stance" on something, when it's really only self-righteous.)
For me the BIG diff is one side DEMANDS the right to slaughter MILLIONS of babies. Only the deceived would trust them.Both sides turn a blind eye and even justify things that shouldn't be justified and overlooked. They don't mind doing whatever they can get away with because both sides are trusting in the arm of the flesh to save their day.
This is a discussion that goes over my head.If we could be good enough, Christ would have stayed in heaven. James said if we even stumble in one sin we are worthy of death. Why do you puff yourself up? Your works are as filthy bloody rags.
Behavior will impact our LIVES
but it will nto impact our eternity.. You deserve hell. and nothing you can do on this earth will remove that condemnation from you.. You better put your eternity in Gods hands
Amen. You keep sounding out and dropping the plumbline brother. And I could do without some of the unpleasantness that gets directed at me sometimes too.......par for the course. All I can do is try to share what He shows me through discernment and in speaking in other ways. And if He didn't, I know I'd be off track too, so I just try to help others with the help He gives to me.Man will do anything and everthing to justify why he do as he do .
Trying to reason with those whose hopes are in men and in this life
is like me trying to reveal myself to an ant and explain to an ant what i am .
IT AINT GONNA UNDERSTAND ONE WORD I tell it .
now visulize that . Imagine me crying out to ants , to ants on an antpile
and saying Look i am a human . Try describing yourself , let alone truth to an ant .
WELL , The carnal mind be no different than an ant . IT hear only blah blah blah
as you tell it what and where its error be ...............
THEY HEAR US NOT for one reason sister . And it can easily be seen .
Love . They love something that lambs are dead too .
They love what we all once loved and they hope in what we all at one time hoped in
and they trust in what we all at one time trusted in
BUT WHEN GRACE DID APPEAR , that love , that hope , that trust was turned from that and unto GOD CHRIST.
This love i speak of is THIER LIFE in this world , hopes , cares and pleasures in this life . WHICH CHOKED THE WORD .
Our hope cannot be in BOTH PLACES . NEVER LET THEM TRY AND TELL YOU IT CAN .
OUR TRUST cannot be in both places
The MIDDLE is the Greatest delusion of all . YOU know darn well they have put their hope in TRUMP . you know it and i know it .
I just expose it and am quite direct about it . BUT , you are just fine doing as you are doing .
Let them hate me , and the more i do love them , THE MORE THEY GONNA HATE ME . and that is a fact .
Because my love exposes their errors , and that TOO IS A FACT .
Many DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT OF GOD SISTER . and that IS A FACT . I should know
i was once one of the worst of them . LIPPING JESUS NAME but DIDNT KNOW HIM AT ALL ,
dancing and singing and joying to the world , hopes in it , in this life and etc .
LITTLE did i know i was an agent of satan . THANK GOD FOR GRACE is all i can say
the grace that actually did draw me to CHRIST JESUS .
SO what i say to one i say to all. GET IN THEM BIBLES . .
Spiritual discernment is real . OH it is real my dear sister . it is real .
Many no longer desire squat to do with the ONE TRUE GOD OR HIS CHRIST
HE has been abandoned and forsaken for another image . an image that giveth them the hope of salvation
and their sinful hearts desire . OH it is a delusion all right . And a delusion it is ...................
In your life to represent the dilemma of reaching out to a lost world, not with judgement but with love and empathy.Many fatherless children do say good riddance and want to commit suicide. And the jails are full of them because they don't have any self worth.......they have a death wish and self-destructive tendencies.. Many wouldn't have chosen to live at the moment of conception if they knew what awaited them in this life....same with many of their mothers who suffer excruciatingly right along with them and wonder if they really did the right thing to bring their child into such a life. I know because I've lived it....thankfully and mercifully the Lord has redeemed us both so at least we have a future hope. My son surrendered to the Lord only a couple of years ago, and he is 45 now.
I believe there may be room for nuance in a discussion about abortion, but only for the sake of discussion, because I don't believe it's the business of the church to make Laws and throw people in jail, or worse, for breaking them. It used to be that "churchmen" would hunt down and murder homosexuals, and burn women alive for allegedly being witches. Last time I read, that wasn't the mandate Jesus delegated to His body on earth. Our weapons are not carnal. And how about unwed mothers being ostracized by "Christian society" to the point where nobody would give them a job and they were forced to prostitute themselves so that they and their child could survive....and then be further judged, condemned and thrown in jail by "decent Christian people" for doing so. My how we make a mess of things sometimes...the "church" has a lot to answer for. So yes, I believe we might humbly consider that our "stance" on abortion might be worth examining at least, since we are CLEARLY not infallible. ( Maybe not on this thread though, except insofar as it might be tied into this whole political thing. Sometimes we think we're being righteous to have a "stance" on something, when it's really only self-righteous.)
Woe unto you when they shall speak well of you for so did they unto the false prophetsAmen. You keep sounding out and dropping the plumbline brother. And I could do without some of the unpleasantness that gets directed at me sometimes too.......par for the course. All I can do is try to share what He shows me through discernment and in speaking in other ways. And if He didn't, I know I'd be off track too, so I just try to help others with the help He gives to me.
Many have been led astray by erring leadership in the churches.....I keep hoping the Lord will help more people to realize that.. And He will hold those shepherds accountable for their part, unless they wake up too. Those who have never met Christ in a personal way and don't know Him and do not have His Spirit, we can hope that they will come to Him.
The bible speaks about Bel (Babylon) having to give up what it has swallowed and I find that encouraging at times when I'm feeling discouraged. And whether, large or small, Babylon's harvest will come. Think we are heading into tumultuous times.
many churches within christendomAmen. You keep sounding out and dropping the plumbline brother. And I could do without some of the unpleasantness that gets directed at me sometimes too.......par for the course. All I can do is try to share what He shows me through discernment and in speaking in other ways. And if He didn't, I know I'd be off track too, so I just try to help others with the help He gives to me.
Many have been led astray by erring leadership in the churches.....I keep hoping the Lord will help more people to realize that.. And He will hold those shepherds accountable for their part, unless they wake up too. Those who have never met Christ in a personal way and don't know Him and do not have His Spirit, we can hope that they will come to Him.
The bible speaks about Bel (Babylon) having to give up what it has swallowed and I find that encouraging at times when I'm feeling discouraged. And whether, large or small, Babylon's harvest will come. Think we are heading into tumultuous times.