Deconstruction Part 2: Into Apostolicity

[Episkopos]

SHHH! DID YOU HEAR THAT?
WAS GOD TRYING TO SPEAK TO ME?

Mocking tone.

It is woven into the fabric of modern evangelicalism. The subject of numerous books, conferences, and sermons every year, it’s promoted as essential for a vibrant relationship with Christ, and a measure of the maturity of your faith. What is it? Hearing God speak personally, outside of Scripture.
But is God trying to speak to you through signs, impressions, and subtle promptings? Is He whispering to you in a still, small voice, hoping to grab your attention? Does Scripture promise that every Christian will receive personal, private revelations from the Lord?

No. God speaks to His servants. Most people are not called to that level of service to God. The "common" believer is to follow Christ from whatever distance he/she is able. I call this the lower walk because it is based on a human faith and faithfulness. God goes easy on such as long as these don't claim to be greater than they are.

But God directs His servants in very personal ways. Look at Ananias of Damascus. God spoke to him very personally and powerfully...yet he was not a great prophet. Paul simply calls him "devout." (Chasid) I could go a LOT more into that standard which is NOT a saint, but one who is beyond a lower walk believer.

In God Doesn’t Whisper, Pastor Jim Osman examines the assumptions, practices, and proof texts of those who promote a theology of hearing the voice of God. Dig into the texts often cited in defense of trying to hear God speak outside of His written Word. Scripture is clear: God doesn’t whisper.

God Doesn't Whisper — Jim Osman, Author/Pastor

In this book, Jim Osman examines the assumptions, practices, and proof texts of those who promote a theology of hearing the voice of God.

jimosman.com

He speaks from within...but in a way that you KNOW it's not you. I have heard SO MANY words from the Lord.....I can't count them. One example. I was driving to work one day and meditating on God, as I am wont to do...when I heard two words as if from the sky...those words were.. "Learn Hebrew" ...Spoken almost sternly....forcefully. (I thought to use this example as you also have an interest in ivrit.) From that moment onward I had this overwhelming urge to just see what Hebrew looked like and devour it. I studied at least 12 hours a day for a few years...and I happened to work with an Israeli Jew who helped me along (sometimes reluctantly :))


God speaks to His people. If people don't hear from God, there are still His servants that can speak words from the Lord... words of knowledge and wisdom...straight from the Lord. So many examples of these....

 

[Behold]

Is the light of God imputed to us?

Do you own a NT?

Then notice.

All the born again are "Translated (born again) from DARKNESS....TO LIGHT">

This LIGHT is the "KOG"< as "God exists IN LIGHT"..

Jesus is the "LIGHT OF THE WORLD", and all the born again are become :

"CHILDREN OF THE Light".

So, your theology is, not connected to the NT, but that does not keep you from re-posting it. @Episkopos

 

[Johann]

I can't keep up brother. Old lady here, my health is very so-so but I'll spare you all the very boring details. God is working all things together for our good....think we all need a cross to carry and thorns in the flesh and to endure the olive press in whatever form it takes at any time.

To be honest, not saying this to insult or belittle anyone, but what I discern/perceive in a lot of the commentary you are bringing with this subject, especially on the other thread, is a lot of puffing up against God. Puffed up mere opinions of the carnal mind exhalting themselves above the knowledge of God.

And they are making the same mistake that many do with other subjects.........instead of letting the word of God simply instruct them and inform their doctrine and beliefs in the first place, they go hunting for things that might seem to support or prove their already established beliefs and doctrines.

What I'm discerning is that cessationism is a deception. All the false stuff that is out there seeming to be more visible and speaking more loudly than the true.........is the devil attempting and often succeeding, to discredit the true. Let's not be fooled or distracted by all his huffing and puffing and attention seeking.

Not seeking attention and this is not a huffing and puffing against Christ Jesus or the Holy Spirit-I believe that the Scriptures is sufficient and seeking more than what is already revealed IN Scripture is Gnosticism.
What you discern and what I discern is not the same.
But thanks for giving the "commentary" a thumbs down, guess Justin Peters-JIM OSMAN are way wrong and their wheels coming off.

For those interested in should the Holy Spirit speak to us in this day and age-here is the link.

God Doesn't Whisper — Jim Osman, Author/Pastor

In this book, Jim Osman examines the assumptions, practices, and proof texts of those who promote a theology of hearing the voice of God.

jimosman.com

God bless
Johann.

 

[Johann]

I'm guessing you have not received the Holy Spirit yet since ye believed because you are cessationist....? That gives the believer more spiritual power behind him and "enlarges" their spiritual gifts I think would be one way to put it. Like driving on 8 cylinders instead of 4. And it enables us to grow more in other ways as well....like putting some fertilizer in the soil so the tree will grow more.

If I didn't received the Holy Spirit I don't belong to Christ Jesus-hence I can discern you don't have any discernment. Your feathers are ruffled because I dare go against the grain, remaining in the revealed word of God, the God-breathed written Scriptures.

Ephesians 1:13-14 (ESV)
"In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory."

Context: In Ephesians, Paul writes to the church in Ephesus about the blessings believers have received in Christ. He emphasizes that upon hearing the gospel and believing in Jesus Christ, believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit. This sealing denotes the Holy Spirit's indwelling presence in the life of a believer, marking them as belonging to God and guaranteeing their future inheritance in Him.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 (ESV)
"And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee."

Context: In this passage, Paul is expressing assurance to the Corinthians about their standing in Christ. He affirms that God has sealed believers and given them the Holy Spirit as a guarantee of their salvation and inheritance in Him.

Explanation:
In both passages, the sealing with the Holy Spirit occurs when a person hears the word of truth (the gospel) and responds in faith by believing in Jesus Christ. This act of faith triggers the sealing, where the Holy Spirit comes to indwell the believer. The Holy Spirit's presence serves as a guarantee or down payment of the future eternal inheritance that believers will receive in full when Christ returns.

God bless.
J.

 

[Johann]

so that reasoning doesn't seem to hold water.

Oh yes, it does, biblical illiteracy is a common phenomena.


The phrase "a more sure word" often refers to something that is regarded as more reliable, certain, or trustworthy. It originates from the Bible, specifically 2 Peter 1:19 (King James Version): "We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts."

In this context, Peter is contrasting the experiences of witnessing the transfiguration of Jesus (which he had just described) with the written prophecies of scripture. He argues that the written word of God (scripture) is even more reliable than personal experiences because it is divinely inspired and stands as a constant testimony to truth.

The phrase has been used beyond its biblical context to emphasize the reliability and certainty of something, often in religious or philosophical discussions about faith, truth, and knowledge.


In 2 Peter 1:16-21, Peter is writing to fellow Christians, encouraging them to remember and uphold the teachings they have received, especially in light of false teachers who were spreading heresies. Here’s a breakdown of the context leading up to verse 19:

Verse 16: Peter begins by reminding his readers that he and other apostles did not follow cleverly devised myths when they made known to them the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty.

Verses 17-18: He recalls the Transfiguration of Jesus, which he and two other apostles witnessed on the mountain (see Matthew 17:1-8, Mark 9:2-8, Luke 9:28-36). They heard the voice of God the Father, confirming Jesus as His beloved Son.

Verse 19 (the verse in question): Peter contrasts their eyewitness experience of the Transfiguration with something even more certain and reliable—the prophetic word. He states, "And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts" (ESV).

Verses 20-21: Peter explains that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. Prophecy was not produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

In summary, Peter is emphasizing the reliability and authority of the Scriptures (the prophetic word) over personal experiences like the Transfiguration. He encourages believers to pay attention to the Scriptures as a trustworthy guide in the midst of the challenges they face, until the promised day of Christ's return.

J.

 

[Johann]

I'm guessing you have not received the Holy Spirit yet since ye believed because you are cessationist....? That gives the believer more spiritual power behind him and "enlarges" their spiritual gifts I think would be one way to put it. Like driving on 8 cylinders instead of 4. And it enables us to grow more in other ways as well....like putting some fertilizer in the soil so the tree will grow more.

Can you give me the Scripture references re giving believers MORE spiritual dunamis/kratos and "enlarges their spiritual gifts?"
Looks like you are just philosophizing-like "a kiss from heaven"

What MORE do you want that you don't already have?

Believers , or some, are lazy by nature, carnal, hence the reason they fire on two pistons instead of four.
The Bible will never be a living Book to us until we are convinced that God is articulate in His universe. To jump from a dead, impersonal world to a dogmatic Bible is too much for most people. They may admit that they should accept the Bible as the Word of God, and they may try to think of it as such, but they find it impossible to believe that the words there on the page are actually for them. A man may say, “These words are addressed to me,” and yet in his heart not feel and know that they are. He is the victim of a divided psychology. He tries to think of God as mute everywhere else and vocal only in a book.

I believe that much of our religious unbelief is due to a wrong conception of and a wrong feeling for the Scriptures of Truth. A silent God suddenly began to speak in a book and when the book was finished lapsed back into silence again forever. Now we read the book as the record of what God said when He was for a brief time in a speaking mood. With notions like that in our heads how can we believe? The facts are that God is not silent, has never been silent. It is the nature of God to speak. The second Person of the Holy Trinity is called the Word. The Bible is the inevitable outcome of God’s continuous speech. It is the infallible declaration of His mind for us put into our familiar human words.

I think a new world will arise out of the religious mists when we approach our Bible with the idea that it is not only a book which was once spoken, but a book which is now speaking. The prophets habitually said, “Thus saith the Lord.” They meant their hearers to understand that God’s speaking is in the continuous present. We may use the past tense properly to indicate that at a certain time a certain word of God was spoken, but a word of God once spoken continues to be spoken, as a child once born continues to be alive, or a world once created continues to exist. And those are but imperfect illustrations, for children die and worlds burn out, but the Word of our God endureth forever.

If you would follow on to know the Lord, come at once to the open Bible expecting it to speak to you. Do not come with the notion that it is a thing which you may push around at your convenience. It is more than a thing; it is a voice, a word, the very Word of the living God.
A W Tozer

No New Revelation!
John Calvin



"For in [Christ] 'all treasures of knowledge and wisdom are hid' (Col. 2:3) with such great abundance and richness that either to hope for or to seek any new addition to these treasures is truly to arouse God's wrath and provoke him against us. It is for us to hunger for, seek, look to, learn, and study Christ alone, until that great day dawns when the Lord will fully manifest the glory of his Kingdom (cf. I Cor. 15:24) and will show himself for us to see him as he is (I John 3:2). And for this reason this age of ours is designated in the Scriptures as 'the last hour' (I John 2:18), the 'last days' (Heb. 1:2), the 'last times' (I Peter 1:20), that no one should delude himself with a vain expectation of some new doctrine or revelation. 'For at many times and in many ways the Heavenly Father formerly spoke through the prophets; but in these last days he has spoken in his beloved Son' (Heb. 1:1-2), who alone can reveal the Father (Luke 10:22); and he has indeed manifested the Father fully, as far as we require, while we now see him in a mirror (I Cor. 13:12)" (Institutes 4.18.20).

"This, however, remains certain: the perfect doctrine he has brought has made an end to all prophecies. All those, then, who, not content with the gospel, patch it with something extraneous to it, detract from Christ's authority. The Voice that thundered from heaven, 'This is my beloved Son; ... hear him' (Matt. 17:5; cf. Matt. 3:17), exalted him by a singular privilege beyond the rank of all others. Then this anointing was diffused from the Head to the members, as Joel had foretold: 'Your sons shall prophesy and your daughters ... shall see visions,' etc. (Joel 2:28). But when Paul says that He was given to us as our wisdom (I Cor. 1:30), and in another place, 'In him are hid all the treasures of knowledge and understanding' (Col. 2:3), he has a slightly different meaning. That is, outside Christ there is nothing worth knowing, and all who by faith perceive what he is like have grasped the whole immensity of heavenly benefits. For this reason, Paul writes in another passage: 'I decided to know nothing precious ... except Jesus Christ and him crucified' (I Cor. 2:2). This is very true, because it is not lawful to go beyond the simplicity of the gospel And the prophetic dignity in Christ leads us to know that in the sum of doctrine as he has given it to us all parts of perfect wisdom are contained" (Institutes 2.15.2).

"And when he speaks of the last times, he intimates that there is no longer any reason to expect any new revelation; for it was not a word in part that Christ brought, but the final conclusion. It is in this sense that the Apostles take ' the last times' and 'the last days.' And Paul means the same when he says, 'Upon whom the ends of the world are come' (I Cor. 10:11). If God then has spoken now for the last time, it is right to advance thus far; so also when you come to Christ, you ought not to go farther: and these two things it is very needful for us to know. For it was a great hindrance to the Jews that they did not consider that God had deferred a fuller revelation to another time; hence, being satisfied with their own Law, they did not hasten forward to the goal. But since Christ has appeared, an opposite evil began to prevail in the world; for men wished to advance beyond Christ. What else indeed is the whole system of Popery but the overleaping of the boundary which the Apostle has fixed? As, then, the Spirit of God in this passage invites all to come as far as Christ, so he forbids them to go beyond the last time which he mentions. In short, the limit of our wisdom is made here to be the Gospel" (Comm. on Heb. 1:1).

 

[Johann]

Mocking tone.


No. God speaks to His servants. Most people are not called to that level of service to God. The "common" believer is to follow Christ from whatever distance he/she is able. I call this the lower walk because it is based on a human faith and faithfulness. God goes easy on such as long as these don't claim to be greater than they are.

But God directs His servants in very personal ways. Look at Ananias of Damascus. God spoke to him very personally and powerfully...yet he was not a great prophet. Paul simply calls him "devout." (Chasid) I could go a LOT more into that standard which is NOT a saint, but one who is beyond a lower walk believer.



He speaks from within...but in a way that you KNOW it's not you. I have heard SO MANY words from the Lord.....I can't count them. One example. I was driving to work one day and meditating on God, as I am wont to do...when I heard two words as if from the sky...those words were.. "Learn Hebrew" ...Spoken almost sternly....forcefully. (I thought to use this example as you also have an interest in ivrit.) From that moment onward I had this overwhelming urge to just see what Hebrew looked like and devour it. I studied at least 12 hours a day for a few years...and I happened to work with an Israeli Jew who helped me along (sometimes reluctantly :))


God speaks to His people. If people don't hear from God, there are still His servants that can speak words from the Lord... words of knowledge and wisdom...straight from the Lord. So many examples of these....

I would strongly urge you to purchase the book BEFORE making a podcast on "hearing voices" and yes, we can speak words of wisdom and knowledge---straight from the Scriptures as the Holy Spirit is continually illuminating it for us.

 

[marks]

We must guard carefully against allowing our experience and our own subjective thoughts and imaginations to eclipse the authority and the certainty of the more sure Word.

Amen!!

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

No. God speaks to His servants. Most people are not called to that level of service to God. The "common" believer is to follow Christ from whatever distance he/she is able. I call this the lower walk because it is based on a human faith and faithfulness. God goes easy on such as long as these don't claim to be greater than they are.

But God directs His servants in very personal ways. Look at Ananias of Damascus. God spoke to him very personally and powerfully...yet he was not a great prophet. Paul simply calls him "devout." (Chasid) I could go a LOT more into that standard which is NOT a saint, but one who is beyond a lower walk believer.



He speaks from within...but in a way that you KNOW it's not you. I have heard SO MANY words from the Lord.....I can't count them. One example. I was driving to work one day and meditating on God, as I am wont to do...when I heard two words as if from the sky...those words were.. "Learn Hebrew" ...Spoken almost sternly....forcefully. (I thought to use this example as you also have an interest in ivrit.) From that moment onward I had this overwhelming urge to just see what Hebrew looked like and devour it. I studied at least 12 hours a day for a few years...and I happened to work with an Israeli Jew who helped me along (sometimes reluctantly :))


God speaks to His people. If people don't hear from God, there are still His servants that can speak words from the Lord... words of knowledge and wisdom...straight from the Lord. So many examples of these....

Excellent post Epi, imo. 100% Amen!!

Those without the Spirit would understand none of this @Episkopos ..it’s folly to them.

 

[marks]

SHHH! DID YOU HEAR THAT?
WAS GOD TRYING TO SPEAK TO ME?

I've found that when God speaks directly to me I never have to wonder if it's Him. He's done various things to train me to know His voice. It's not like the voices in my mind. God is not of confusion. And when He speaks to me things happen.

Yes, we should be very concerned that we do not follow what is false, and knowing the Scriptures, being subject to the Scriptures, this keeps us from error.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

I would strongly urge you to purchase the book BEFORE making a podcast on "hearing voices" and yes, we can speak words of wisdom and knowledge---straight from the Scriptures as the Holy Spirit is continually illuminating it for us.

Without the presence of God, the gifts of the Spirit, the voice of God guiding and building His church in real time....there is NO church. All we have is a religious decoy counterfeit. Ministry is about unfolding the mystery of an eternal God building an eternal relationship with His people. The bible records His efforts in doing so in times past. We can read about what God did in the past...as a good example and guide as to what that looks like. But to take part in and be a part of what God is doing we need to join the people we read about in the bible in having the very same interaction and connection with God that they had.

The gifts in the ministry of Christ build the church in the way that God desires. Of course many have tried to establish a populist agenda by counterfeiting these things. But the truth is hidden from these. God works under the radar...not in a circus like environment like we see with the religious peddlers...charlatans. They do it for fame and money, putting on a show for the flesh. But that doesn't mean that there isn't the real thing operating in places far more obscure.

I try to reach people with the idea of a spiritual fellowship that is outside the religious system...but sheep tend to follow other sheep, or at least sheep that are dressed that way.

 

[Ritajanice]

Without the presence of God, the gifts of the Spirit, the voice of God guiding and building His church in real time....there is NO church. All we have is a religious decoy counterfeit. Ministry is about unfolding the mystery of an eternal God building an eternal relationship with His people. The bible records His efforts in doing so in times past. We can read about what God did in the past...as a good example and guide as to what that looks like. But to take part in and be a part of what God is doing we need to join the people we read about in the bible in having the very same interaction and connection with God that they had.

The gifts in the ministry of Christ build the church in the way that God desires. Of course many have tried to establish a populist agenda by counterfeiting these things. But the truth is hidden from these. God works under the radar...not in a circus like environment like we see with the religious peddlers...charlatans. They do it for fame and money, putting on a show for the flesh. But that doesn't mean that there isn't the real thing operating in places far more obscure.

I try to reach people with the idea of a spiritual fellowship that is outside the religious system...but sheep tend to follow other sheep, or at least sheep that are dressed that way.

Praise God for a post that is full of spiritual life.

So many dead people out there still Epi...completely dead of any spiritual life in their spirit.

Just religious talk ...boring!!.....post scripture, copy and paste reams and reams of other people’s work.

Ok, I post a few commentaries here and there, because they are better at explaining in some areas than I.

I don’t post reams and reams of scripture and commentaries...why anyone has to do that..to know that the Spirit indwells them I have no idea..or maybe they are just Christian and not Born Again...maybe that’s their way of searching for God..I wish them well regardless...

 

[Johann]

I've found that when God speaks directly to me I never have to wonder if it's Him. He's done various things to train me to know His voice. It's not like the voices in my mind. God is not of confusion. And when He speaks to me things happen.

Yes, we should be very concerned that we do not follow what is false, and knowing the Scriptures, being subject to the Scriptures, this keeps us from error.

Much love!

And when I read and share the written word to Nigerians in my own backyard things happen.
In Romans 10, the apostle Paul is addressing the issue of Israel's rejection of the gospel and God's plan of salvation for both Jews and Gentiles. He explains that salvation is available to all who believe in Jesus Christ, regardless of their background.

Verses 1-4: Paul expresses his deep desire for Israel to be saved and acknowledges their zeal for God but notes that they have not submitted to God's righteousness through faith in Christ.

Verses 5-13: Paul contrasts the righteousness that comes from the law (which requires perfect obedience) with the righteousness that comes by faith in Jesus Christ. He emphasizes that salvation is available to everyone who calls on the name of the Lord.

Verses 14-15: Paul argues that people cannot call on Jesus for salvation unless they believe in Him, and they cannot believe in Him unless they hear about Him. He stresses the importance of preaching the gospel to all nations.

Verse 16: Paul acknowledges that not everyone accepts the gospel message, quoting Isaiah 53:1 to show that even though the gospel is preached, not everyone believes.

Verse 17 (the verse in question): Paul explains that faith comes by hearing the message about Christ. Hearing here implies not just auditory perception but understanding and accepting the truth of the gospel. The word of God (the message about Christ) is what generates and strengthens faith in those who hear it.

In essence, Romans 10:17 underscores the critical role of proclaiming and hearing the gospel in the process of salvation. It highlights that faith—the confident trust in God's promises and in Jesus Christ for salvation—is sparked and sustained through hearing the message of the Scriptures concerning Christ.



Inspiration and Revelation: The Holy Spirit inspired the authors of the Bible to write the Scriptures. 2 Peter 1:21 says, "For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." The Holy Spirit guided and directed the biblical writers, ensuring that what they wrote was the Word of God.

Understanding and Illumination: The Holy Spirit helps believers to understand and interpret the Scriptures. 1 Corinthians 2:10-14 explains that spiritual truths are discerned by the Spirit of God, not by human wisdom alone. The Holy Spirit enlightens believers' minds to comprehend the truths contained in God's Word and to apply them to their lives.

Conviction and Application: The Holy Spirit convicts believers of sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:8). Through the Scriptures, the Spirit works in believers' hearts, convicting them of areas where they need to repent, guiding them toward righteous living, and helping them discern God's will in various situations.

Transformation: The Holy Spirit uses the Scriptures to transform believers into the image of Christ. 2 Corinthians 3:18 teaches that as believers behold the glory of the Lord in the Word, they are transformed from one degree of glory to another by the Spirit of the Lord.

Guidance and Counsel: The Holy Spirit guides believers into all truth (John 16:13) and provides wisdom and counsel as they seek to apply God's Word in their daily lives. The Spirit helps believers discern God's voice through Scripture and leads them in making decisions that align with God's will.

Empowerment for Witness and Service: The Holy Spirit empowers believers to boldly proclaim the gospel and to serve God faithfully. Acts 1:8 describes how believers receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon them, enabling them to be witnesses for Christ.

In summary, the Holy Spirit plays a crucial role in the lives of believers concerning the Scriptures by inspiring, illuminating, convicting, transforming, guiding, and empowering them to live according to God's Word and to fulfill His purposes. The Spirit's work ensures that the Scriptures are not merely words on a page but living and active, shaping believers' faith and actions in accordance with God's truth.

"I've found that when God speaks directly to me I never have to wonder if it's Him. He's done various things to train me to know His voice. It's not like the voices in my mind. God is not of confusion. And when He speaks to me things happen."

This is fascinating, I never heard one voice, audibly or otherwise yet. Guess I am not "trained yet?"
The reason I started this OP @marks

 

[Episkopos]

If people have a hard time with hearing God by the Spirit, they are going to freak out when it comes to the gift of SEEING in the Spirit. Spiritual faculties are given to those who are born of the Spirit....and baptized in the Spirit where necessary. (Some receive both simultaneously). Seeing in the Spirit goes farther than hearing the way walking in the Spirit is greater than being led by the Spirit.

If you have run with the footmen, and they have wearied you, then how can you contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein you trust, they wearied you, then how will you do in the swelling of Jordan? Jer. 12:5-6

I find it amazing that having these faculties available to us...more seeking God for them is not taking place...or else people will fake them to belong to a fringe group that are also faking it. It seems anything but doing something for real. But the real is at great cost...therefore faking it is far easier. As if God was not watching and taking account.

 

[Johann]

Praise God for a post that is full of spiritual life.

So many dead people out there still Epi...completely dead of any spiritual life in their spirit.

Just religious talk ...boring!!.....post scripture, copy and paste reams and reams of other people’s work.

Ok, I post a few commentaries here and there, because they are better at explaining in some areas than I.

I don’t post reams and reams of scripture and commentaries...

You are still sucking milk-no offense.
J.

 

[Ritajanice]

If people have a hard time with hearing God by the Spirit, they are going to freak out when it comes to the gift of SEEING in the Spirit. Spiritual faculties are given to those who are born of the Spirit....and baptized in the Spirit where necessary. (Some receive both simultaneously). Seeing in the Spirit goes farther than hearing the way walking in the Spirit is greater than being led by the Spirit.

Amen!

 

[marks]

This is fascinating, I never heard one voice, audibly or otherwise yet. Guess I am not "trained yet?"
The reason I started this OP @marks

I believe God works differently with each of us.

Brother, I wasn't looking for anything. It was completely out of the blue. I'm into the Bible all the way, you must know that about me by now, don't you?

I've had a lot of issues in my life, some deep and serious things inside me, which He's been leading me out of through a variety of ways, including personal instruction, about specific things concerning me. I didn't pick how He would work. But I know it's Him. It's my Father, fathering me.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

I believe God works differently with each of us.

Brother, I wasn't looking for anything. It was completely out of the blue. I'm into the Bible all the way, you must know that about me by now, don't you?

I've had a lot of issues in my life, some deep and serious things inside me, which He's been leading me out of through a variety of ways, including personal instruction, about specific things concerning me. I didn't pick how He would work. But I know it's Him. It's my Father, fathering me.

Much love!

Yes I know you brother and I'm not slighting you-you remind me a lot of myself, and I was a wild ass of a man when young.
Stay strong in Christ.
Johann.

 

[Lizbeth]

Not seeking attention and this is not a huffing and puffing against Christ Jesus or the Holy Spirit-I believe that the Scriptures is sufficient and seeking more than what is already revealed IN Scripture is Gnosticism.
What you discern and what I discern is not the same.
But thanks for giving the "commentary" a thumbs down, guess Justin Peters-JIM OSMAN are way wrong and their wheels coming off.

For those interested in should the Holy Spirit speak to us in this day and age-here is the link.

God Doesn't Whisper — Jim Osman, Author/Pastor

In this book, Jim Osman examines the assumptions, practices, and proof texts of those who promote a theology of hearing the voice of God.

jimosman.com

God bless
Johann.

You don't seem to read my posts very carefully, unless my wording is at fault.....you often misunderstand.....never said you were attention-seeking. I'm talking about the devil and false prophets/ministers with all their grandstanding of things of God, which discredits the true. And I wasn't talking about this video...don't have time to watch all the videos, just reading some of the written commentary.

 

[marks]

Inspiration and Revelation: The Holy Spirit inspired the authors of the Bible to write the Scriptures. 2 Peter 1:21 says, "For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." The Holy Spirit guided and directed the biblical writers, ensuring that what they wrote was the Word of God.

It's always so refreshing when someone can use and not misuse this passage! Yay Johann!!

Much love!