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WWJD with LGBTQ?
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I didn't make the poll
Excerpt from the OP (see the rest of post #1 for my stance)
Because of another topic on the forum that has a title that asks the WRONG question,
I wanted to launch a topic that would ask the right questions.
I have done my homework as part of that other topic.
And I am still making some discoveries about the subject.
Here are a few.
- There is a 40% suicide rate among gays, which is driven by societal rejection. (genocide)
- Parental testimony shows children indicating a transgender preference as early as 3 to 5 years old.
- 1 in 1,500 children are born intersex, meaning either both, or ambiguous genitalia.
- Birth sex is determined by what is between your legs; gender identity is determined by what is between your ears.
- Christian gays that come out are at risk of losing family, friends, church, employment, housing...
- Many gay couples are monogamous, and great contributors to our society.
There are other factors as well. This is a place to discuss them. Thanks.
WWJD with LGBTQ?
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Because of another topic on the forum that has a title that asks the WRONG question,
I wanted to launch a topic that would ask the right questions.
I have done my homework as part of that other topic.
And I am still making some discoveries about the subject.
Here are a few.
- There is a 40% suicide rate among gays, which is driven by societal rejection. (genocide)
- Parental testimony shows children indicating a transgender preference as early as 3 to 5 years old.
- 1 in 1,500 children are born intersex, meaning either both, or ambiguous genitalia.
- Birth sex is determined by what is between your legs; gender identity is determined by what is between your ears.
- Christian gays that come out are at risk of losing family, friends, church, employment, housing...
- Many gay couples are monogamous, and great contributors to our society.
There are other factors as well. This is a place to discuss them. Thanks.
WWJD with LGBTQ?
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There is only one truth. No matter what you see, feel, or read, God is truth. Study the Bible and won't have to look to the world.
Jesus hates sin, He can love the sinner and if that sinner repents(turn away from their hearts desires and turn to His) then they can be healed and have the Holy Spirit to be born again. Only then is someone set free and will inherit the Kingdom of God.
So what should we do:
2 Timothy 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
One size fits all?
Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?
Jesus said to Pilate, "... the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?" - John 18:37-38 NIV Still a good question. Absolute truth - Do we know what it is? ]
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Does Jesus hate sin? We have been told that all our church lives. But is it true? Jesus died for us when? (while were were yet sinners)
Sin is a problem and Jesus did something about it. If LGBTQ is a problem, we should do something about it. (love)
Do what Jesus does, love the sinner.
What are you doing personally to show the love of Jesus to LGBTQ humans? Do you even know any? Do you frown when you see them? Would you talk to them in the check-out line at the store? Or do you turn away?
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I will first tell you right now that you are not a follower of Christ Jesus if you don't believe that yes there is ONLY ONE TRUTH. He is THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE. so yes one size fits allOne size fits all?
Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?
Jesus said to Pilate, "... the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?" - John 18:37-38 NIV Still a good question. Absolute truth - Do we know what it is? ]
Does Jesus hate sin? We have been told that all our church lives. But is it true? Jesus died for us when? (while were were yet sinners)
Sin is a problem and Jesus did something about it. If LGBTQ is a problem, we should do something about it. (love)
Do what Jesus does, love the sinner.
What are you doing personally to show the love of Jesus to LGBTQ humans? Do you even know any? Do you frown when you see them? Would you talk to them in the check-out line at the store? Or do you turn away?
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Yes Jesus is God and God hates sin, the entire Bible is about Him, His character, His ability, His commands, His expectation, His judgement, His mercy, His power, His authority...
First, God exiled Adam and Eve from the garden because they sinned, Crain was punished for his sin, God flooded and killed all but 8 because they were sinning so badly, God rained down fire to Sodom and Gomorrah (all in it) due to their sin, God had sinful men punished all through-out history. Jesus came to save those who will repent. If you don't know what the true meaning of repent is , it is not feeling sorry, or having regret. It is changing of your mind and turning to God's thinking.
God has already spoken over and over that those that practice sexual sin will not be in heaven but will spend eternity in hell. and that also applies for the liars, cheaters, gossips, idolators, etc.
if you want to know what I do: first, I don't treat people ugly based on their looks. Love will correct, teach, and discipline. It is not love to agree with, tolerate, or accept evil and sinful ways. It is not love to stand back and watch someone go to hell. I will point all sinners to Christ no matter the sin. I do that with people that are living together, believer dating a non-believer, drunks, drug users, those practicing yoga/tarrot cards/horoscopes/crystals, and even those using foul language.
Am I disgusted with homosexual and transgender behavior, yes. It breaks God's heart therefore it breaks mine. God said be "Holy because I am Holy."
From the OP with new emphasis.
Christians tend to treat LGBTQ as if it is a singular thing. It's not.
It's a very complex subject that the church has, for the most part, swept under the rug.
Those who have stepped up to be inclusive have taken the heat for it.
And there is even a broad spectrum of how inclusion can play out.
LGBTQ is not a B+W issue. There is a whole spectrum of gray to be considered.
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Christians tend to treat LGBTQ as if it is a singular thing. It's not.
It's a very complex subject that the church has, for the most part, swept under the rug.
Those who have stepped up to be inclusive have taken the heat for it.
And there is even a broad spectrum of how inclusion can play out.
LGBTQ is not a B+W issue. There is a whole spectrum of gray to be considered.
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People do not like B and W issues as they always like being never being wrong so that they then like to argue and defend their position in the Gray areas of life and always be at logger heads with God.
Video from Colby Martin.
What do you think?
Is "Being Gay" an Unforgivable Sin? - Questions from the Audience with Colby Martin
What do you think?
amigo de christo
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as usual men of the great ecumenicism always come to lead astray .
What would JESUS do .
NOT what you are doing st steven . you come to make excuse
JESUS would have exposed sin . not come to try and make us see a gray path . you are gonna wail
ON HIS day if you dont cease and dissest from these inclusive ecumenical ways .
What would JESUS do .
NOT what you are doing st steven . you come to make excuse
JESUS would have exposed sin . not come to try and make us see a gray path . you are gonna wail
ON HIS day if you dont cease and dissest from these inclusive ecumenical ways .
You should listen to the video and comment on it.
amigo de christo
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He messed it up . As with any sin , and yes sin is present in all of our flesh , when the lust pops into the mind
IT must not be entertained , lest one act it out . The act of man with man IS SIN . so would a man who fornicates with a woman . Sin .
I dont condemn one for their thoughts , But thoughts must be co rrected .
We cannot entertain the sin that is present in our flesh . ITS Known as Crucifying the flesh .
So if a man was g ay , and I have seen gay men and women TURN from this by conviction of GOD .
But even if such thoughts were to pop into the mind , THE PERSON is not condemned , But must
move quickly , go to prayer and etc , And do not AcT it out . THIS goes for non gay folks too .
Cause all sorts of lustful things come of the flesh , BUT as sheep WE do have power over the flesh ,
WE have the SPIRIT and beleive me the SPIRIT sure does warn me WHEN lustful thoughts pop into my mind .
IF one can justify such tho ughts and honor same sex or fornication , WHERE IS THE HOLY GHOST In such a man or woman .
FOR the SPIRIT would convict us of contrary lustful thoughts produce by the flesh .
That goes for any sin . So lets no gray area ANYTHING . simply correct sin if it is seen amongst brethren .
But unto he or she who honors sins , or justfies their sins , That one is going DOWN .
SIN can and SIN will harden a heart . that is a fact . I see many now that rather than repenting of sin
THEY JUSTIFY SIN and attack t hose who do correct sin . This generation has g rown WIcKED by means of a false love .
Hillsage
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Bear with me @amigo de christo I agree with most everything you've said....here and in your next text.
I believe Jesus would have exposed TRANSGRESSION and/or SIN. The difference is, being tempted, which may lead to sin; is not committing sin.
HEB 4:15 For we have not a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.
Biblical example of where I am coming from;
MAT 5:28 But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Being tempted "in his heart" to have sex with Mary Magdelene would not have been a sin for Jesus, or anyone else. But He would have committed a transgression if He truly was "tempted" And that's why "he was numbered with the transgressors". That is confirmed by scripture
ISA 53:12 Therefore I will divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he poured out his soul to death, and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
But if we tap into 'Christ in you' we can tap into whom the GRACE (POWER) to overcome temptation and NOT SIN....comes from.
1CO 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
2PE 2:14 They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children! 15 Forsaking the right way they have gone astray; they have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing, 16 but was rebuked for his own TRANSGRESSION; a dumb ass spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet's madness.
I think that "temptation/transgression" is a "gray path" potentially turning spotless 'white robes of righteousness' into 'used oil' stained robes.
amigo de christo
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being tempted . Temptations come of the flesh , but as you said If we crucify the thought
we would not sin . Its not the thoughts that pop into our head that condemn us .
For all are tempted by the flesh . ITS entertaining the thought that is contrary to GOD , the lustful thought ,
That brings us into error . Its simple . WE have the HOLY GHOST , i mean not all who lip his name do
as can be seen in their fruits as they justify sin and etc , but sheep DO have the HOLY SPIRIT
and that SPIRIT rings alarm bells when such thoughts DO enter into our minds .
LET US bring Those thoughts captive to the obediance of Christ .
I dont condemn any for their thoughts , For all are tempted . IT is , HOWEVER DIRE NECESSARY
to remind the generation again , JESUS didnt come to leave us slaves to sin
and that by his power we can crucify the thought and thus never act it out .
Christ came to SAVE and to create a heart within the saved that would actually HONOR GOD .Worship GOD
as GOD always desired to be worshipped . But alas beware the f lesh for it is contrary.
HEED the SPIRIT and ye will not fullfill the lusts of the flesh .
And if any do err , BY ALL MEANS CORRECT such a one . Dont just hug and allow sin upon them .
For that is only being a co worker of darkness and has not the love of GOD at all .
FOr it is written that you shall not hate your neighbor in your heart , that you shALL correct him and not allow sin upon him .
SO lets remember that the next time one of these so called love troopers says
That its JUDGING and hateful to expose ones sin . cause no IT AINT . ITS FOR THE GOOD OF THEM AND OF THE CHURCH
THAT WE DO SO . if we want to see true examples of true men WHO did have the love of GOD
Lets go back and read again HOW the apostels did things .
S EE how they and CHRIST did things . God is love , SO LETS LOOK at HOW JESUS did things .
LOVE dont allow sin , t rangression and UNBELEIF upon folks
LETS remember that also WHEN this whorish ecum eincal int efaith interrelgious dialgoue
hollers to all false religoins , HEY , you are fine , YOU worship the same GOD we do . WE all just coming
to him in different ways . CAUSE THAT MY FRIEND be of anti christ , NOT CHRIST .
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amigo de christo
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I did . He messed it up .
Whether or not he had partial truths HE had error .
Acting as if same sex attraction is not sin .
It is . Then he could have said one might not be condmened if such a thought
pops into their heads , BUT THEY need to not entertain it .
But it is sin . Its unnatural . attraction between a man and a woman is not sin .
Now lust is to lust u pon a woman . but being attracted to the opposite sex
In and of itself is not sin . But same sex IS .
You act as if they are born this way . NO they as any other child
simply can and are tempted . ITS up to the parents to correct such behavoir
and raise that child up in the way he or she SHOULD GO .
sTOP pandering to sin . And as i said I dont condemn one for their thoughts
buT I sure would correct their t houghts and not try and rather pander to them as though they are born that way .
ITs lust is all it is . AND just like us adults , YES EVEN CHILDREN can and are tempted . UP TO US to CORRECT
and not PANDER TO IT .
amigo de christo
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He messed up bad . WHEN he said same sex attraction is not sin .
it is .
it would be like me saying stealing is not sin .
IT IS .
now when such thoughts pop into our mind about stealing something
the correct response should be , DO NOT entertain this thought .
Same the same sex attraction
Same with any error .
but that man clearly said it was not sin to have same sex attraction . OH but it is .
If same sex attraction was not sin
THEN WHY DID GOD warn so against it .
just like he said thou shall not steal
or etc .
WE need to stop trying to pander to things
And simply correct error . Again i do not condmen one for the thoughts that pop into the mind
BUT if the thought be contrary to GOD , IT MUST be crucified .
AND also a huge help to this church age would have been to actually READ the bible .
Being reminded , being stirred up . We have GOT to quick listening to unwise men and worse to wolves
in many cases . But what am i saying , you yourself loved and sat under
DECONSTRUCTION . That was your down fall . However never let it be said i did not try and help .
SO here is my help , my inst ruction to you . GET IN THE BIBLE and get busy reading it for you .
And stop trying to deconstruct it and rather LEARN of it .
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Advice... If someone is in need of comfort they need such comfort to be of the Holy Ghost
Advice... Comfort of the sexual variety in only temporary comfort such as a morsel of bread and generally frowned upon in scripture....
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears. - Hebrews 12
Advice... Comfort of the sexual variety in only temporary comfort such as a morsel of bread and generally frowned upon in scripture....
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears. - Hebrews 12
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