ACTS 2 PENTECOST ***

[Davy]

Sorry it took so long to reply to this

Please explain what you meant by no Jewish slants if you remember

In Acts 2 what gospel do you think they were preaching?

You said concerning Acts 2:

"In the above verses it should be noted that Peter was not addressing the newly formed church, the Body of Christ, but rather, Israel only."

You cannot know who all present there that Peter was addressing, nor that those present were only Jews. Thus you've been wrongly taught a Jewish slant to Acts 2.

Acts 2:5
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
KJV

Just because they were referred to as Jews does NOT mean they were all of the tribe of Judah. Like the Jewish historian Josephus said, those who returned from the Babylon captivity back to Jerusalem took the name 'Jew', and likewise all those LIVING there did also. That means foreigners not of bloodline Israel that lived in Judea also. Thus the title of 'Jew' at that time actually meant a 'Judean', just as a foreigner of another nation moving to the U.S. to live in Texas would call theirself a Texan.

 

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Think you read it wrong here is what I wrote
In the above verses it should be noted that Peter was not addressing the newly formed church, the Body of Christ, but rather, Israel only.
Peter was addressing Israel

Hello Doug,

Thank you for correcting me.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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The Body was formed when Paul was saved before Acts 28
Paul wrote about the Body in epistles written before Acts 28
All but 1Tim 2Tim and Titus and Philippians were written before Acts 28

Hello @Doug,

I disagree with what you say in your entry above: but will not counter it with an argument at the moment, for time will not allow.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Doug]

You cannot know who all present there that Peter was addressing, nor that those present were only Jews. Thus you've been wrongly taught a Jewish slant to Acts 2.

[Act 2:22, 36, 39 KJV] 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: ... 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. ... 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Peter says who he is addressing

[Act 2:22, 36, 39 KJV] 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: ... 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. ... 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.

 

[Davy]

Peter says who he is addressing

[Act 2:22, 36, 39 KJV] 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: ... 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. ... 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Like I showed, per Josephus even the strangers... that returned with the "house of Judah" after their Babylon captivity began to call themselves Jews (which meant religious Jews, not bloodline Judah.)

Even king Herod was a Jew, but he was actually of Idumean birth, meaning of Esau. Try and dig a bit deeper using some good Bible study tools, like The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, a Smiths Bible Dictionary, historical writings by the 100 A.D. Jewish historian Josephus, etc.

 

[Doug]

Like I showed, per Josephus even the strangers... that returned with the "house of Judah" after their Babylon captivity began to call themselves Jews (which meant religious Jews, not bloodline Judah.)

Even king Herod was a Jew, but he was actually of Idumean birth, meaning of Esau. Try and dig a bit deeper using some good Bible study tools, like The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, a Smiths Bible Dictionary, historical writings by the 100 A.D. Jewish historian Josephus, etc.

[Act 2:39 KJV] 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.

[Rom 9:4 KJV] 4 Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises;
[Rom 15:8 KJV] 8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises [made] unto the fathers:

These verses further identify who Peter was addressing which was Israel not the Body of Christ which was never given the promises given to Israel

 

[Ronald Nolette]

2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.


Those listed in Acts 1:13-14 were of one accord and were assembled together in Jerusalem.

2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

The Jews and proselytes in the city investigated what was going on.

2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

The apostles, filled with the Holy Ghost, began to speak in tongues.

2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Speaking in tongues, as can clearly be seen above in verses 8 and 11, involves the ability given the apostles to speak and be heard in a specific language, not of their own. It was a sign given them to substantiate their ministry.

Peter, standing with the eleven, spoke.

2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Pentecost and the filling of the Holy Host was prophesied by Joel. This was a fulfillment of prophecy in Joel 2.

2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

In the above verses it should be noted that Peter was not addressing the newly formed church, the Body of Christ, but rather, Israel only. Peter preached Jesus as Christ and his resurrection. The resurrection of Jesus Christ would establish the future promise of His Kingdom on earth. This promised Kingdom would put him on the throne of David; enable Israel to reign and rule with him over the nations; and be a light of salvation to the Gentiles, thru the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.


2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Peter, in the above verses, states that Jesus is both Lord and Christ. Jesus rose from the dead, showing his diety, that he is the Son of God.

In verse 38 below, Peter shows that Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah, the Saviour of Israel, who alone can forgive the sins of the nation of Israel.

2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

Peter is only offering the above promises of remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost to Israel and those Gentiles who would come to God thru Israel.

2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

The believers were baptized according to the Israel program of recognition of the name; the authority; and the idenity of Jesus. They were added to them, the church of the Kingdom to come, not the Body of Christ.

2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

They sold all they had and provided to all according to the commandment to Israel by Jesus in Matthew 13:46 and 19:21.

2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

They were in one accord as well. The church here is not the Body of Christ. The church here are the believers in Christ who were promised entrance into the Kingdom on earth. The kingdom which is postponed and interrupted by our Dispensation of Grace.

It is the body of Christ.

Ephesians 4:4-6

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4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Ephesians 2:11-19

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11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Since Pentecost- there is only one body- the body of christ. someone has given you bad teaching.

 

[Doug]

It is the body of Christ.

Ephesians 4:4-6​

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4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Ephesians 2:11-19​

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King James Version​

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11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Since Pentecost- there is only one body- the body of christ. someone has given you bad teaching.

[Act 2:41 KJV] 41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.
To be added souls there would have to be an existing church so how could they be added to the Body of Christ church if Paul had not yet been saved .....the Body started with revelation from Christ to Paul

[Act 2:37-38 KJV] 37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

If Peter was preaching the formation of the Body why would he not preach the same gospel as Paul...he was preaching the gospel given to israel as part of the gospel of the kingdom

 

[Doug]

Like I showed, per Josephus even the strangers... that returned with the "house of Judah" after their Babylon captivity began to call themselves Jews (which meant religious Jews, not bloodline Judah.)

[Lev 19:34 KJV] 34 [But] the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I [am] the LORD your God.

The stranger proselytes were counted as being Israel

 

[Doug]

It is the body of Christ.

Ephesians 4:4-6​

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King James Version​

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4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Ephesians 2:11-19​

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King James Version​

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11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Since Pentecost- there is only one body- the body of christ. someone has given you bad teaching.

A2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
does the Body of Christ follow the 12 apostles doctrine or Paul's
this was not the Body

 

[Behold]

Sorry I cant reply because I dont understand your point

The Point is.......You can't be born again, if there is no Holy Spirit on the earth yet to cause it.

So, in JN3.. Jesus said you must be born TWICE..

First is the earth birth.......and then you "must be born AGAIN"

The 2nd Birth is a Spiritual Birth, that is caused by the HOLY SPIRIT.

This was Given to the World, after Jesus was back in Heaven........not in John chapter 3.

What Jesus is doing is being Prophetic in JN 3......He's talking about the future. .the "time of the Gentiles".., when the Holy Spirit has come.

Jesus talked prophetically a lot.........another case is this phrase...

"endure to the end"...

That is from Matt 24.

So, the question is.......endure to the end .. .of WHAT?

And then Jesus shows us the future.........to let us understand what that "end" is referring to..

He says that this ""enduring to the END""... is related to the "abomination of desolation".

And that is found in the Great Trib, that is the 2nd half of the Tribulation........So, Jesus is talking about people who become Christians, after the rapture, and during the Tribulation.
They have to endure to the end of it.... for their salvation, AND believe in Jesus also.

 

[Doug]

The Point is.......You can't be born again, if there is no Holy Spirit on the earth yet to cause it.

So, in JN3.. Jesus said you must be born TWICE..

First is the earth birth.......and then you "must be born AGAIN"

The 2nd Birth is a Spiritual Birth, that is caused by the HOLY SPIRIT.

This was Given to the World, after Jesus was back in Heaven........not in John chapter 3.

What Jesus is doing is being Prophetic in JN 3......He's talking about the future. .the "time of the Gentiles".., when the Holy Spirit has come.

Jesus talked prophetically a lot.........another case is this phrase...

"endure to the end"...

That is from Matt 24.

So, the question is.......endure to the end .. .of WHAT?

And then Jesus shows us the future.........to let us understand what that "end" is referring to..

He says that this ""enduring to the END""... is related to the "abomination of desolation".

And that is found in the Great Trib, that is the 2nd half of the Tribulation........So, Jesus is talking about people who become Christians, after the rapture, and during the Tribulation.
They have to endure to the end of it.... for their salvation, AND believe in Jesus also.

thanks

 

[Behold]

thanks

thank you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

A2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
does the Body of Christ follow the 12 apostles doctrine or Paul's
this was not the Body

They follow both! As Paul and the Apostles taught the same concerning salvation. But as touching the Jewish discretion, the apostles while in Israel and with Jews, taught the distinction Jewish believers had.

Example- Jewish believers still hold to Sabbath worship as this was a command given to every Jewish generation.
Jewish believers still should circumcise their sons according to the Abrahamic covenant which was commanded to every Jewish generation.

 

[Doug]

They follow both! As Paul and the Apostles taught the same concerning salvation.

They all preached Christ but please give a verse where any of the twelve preached the cross for salvation unto eternal life where did they preach the death burial and resurrection for forgiveness.

 

[Behold]

They follow both! As Paul and the Apostles taught the same concerning salvation.

Acts 2:38 is not the same as Paul's Gospel.

Notice that Paul's Gospel has no water baptism in it?

Do a little research.

Find out why {Paul said...>"Christ sent me not to water baptize".

Discover why Paul , in Acts 15, got all the Apostle up to speed regarding "THE Gospel", that Paul said is "MY Gospel" 3x in the NT.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

They all preached Christ but please give a verse where any of the twelve preached the cross for salvation unto eternal life where did they preach the death burial and resurrection for forgiveness.

Read the book of acts, read James, read Hebrews, read the works of John, read in acts about Philip and learn.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Acts 2:38 is not the same as Paul's Gospel.

Notice that Paul's Gospel has no water baptism in it?

Do a little research.

Find out why {Paul said...>"Christ sent me not to water baptize".

Discover why Paul , in Acts 15, got all the Apostle up to speed regarding "THE Gospel", that Paul said is "MY Gospel" 3x in the NT.

Did that long time ago.

Paul did Baptize several and never condemned water Baptism.

Jesus commanded water Baptism in the triune formula as commanded in:

Matthew 28:18-20

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18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus commanded all "ethnos" to be water baptized. NOt for salvation, but for obedience.

Pauls mission was to be teh apostle to the Gentiles.

Same gospel of Salvation, but noticeable differences than how he preached in the synagogues to the Jews.

 

[Doug]

Read the book of acts, read James, read Hebrews, read the works of John, read in acts about Philip and learn.

Please give me just one verse where the twelve in Mark Luke Matthew or John preached the cross as Paul does
We were talking about pentecost and the teaching of the apostles

 

[Doug]

They follow both! As Paul and the Apostles taught the same concerning salvation.

I will give a verse

[Luk 18:34 KJV] 34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

How could they preach the cross as Paul did if they didnt understand it