Has "Christian Forums" become a Catholic site?

[Behold]

Maybe you haven't heard.. Anyone even acknowledging that Isreal is a land in the Middle East is openly denying that Jesus is the Messiah and that His covenant was fulfilled.

Your cult teaching is stuck in reverse....., and has no relationship to the NT or to OT prophecy.

My home is in Israel, so as i read more and more of your theological ignornace, and see how deeply you have been decived by this cult teaching, all i can think is that is very unfortunate for you @The Gospel of Christ

 

[Rockerduck]

Well I guess i have to point this out remove Mary and the sacraments and it all exactly the same.I have to continue.The Catholic Church is the mother church because of Mary.Surprise the sacrament have come back to the reformed Church 4 of them in different forms even communion.You don't have to be a Catholic but you have to ask yourself why you hate Jesus mother so much - does that actually make sense to you? Mary is the perfect one of us an example just to raise Jesus like God would allow it to be the way some think - really?

Nobody hates Mary, the vessel that brought Jesus into the world. No real Christian worships Mary or any earthly being dead or alive. It is God, only, that we worship.

Ephesians 4:4-6 - There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Your cult teaching is stuck in reverse....., and has no relationship to the NT or to OT prophecy.

My home is in Israel, so as i read more and more of your theological ignornace, and see how deeply you have been decived by this cult teaching, all i can think is that is very unfortunate for you @The Gospel of Christ

Theologically refute my statement then. Using the Gospel, not your feelings.

 

[TLHKAJ]

The Catholic Church is an organization that is of the world and most of its followers are cultists.

This, in my personal experience is pretty accurate, sad to say. The Catholic church is infested with satanic practices, including child trafficking and human sacrifices. That is not to say other churches aren't infected with such ....bc they are. I experienced satanic ritual abuse in church buildings, which were not all catholic. The cult loves to use false Christianity as a front to carry out their evil deeds.

And yet, I've met one Catholic person who actually prayed to Jesus instead of a saint or Mary (at least in my experience with her). She was my midwife through 4 pregnancies and hone births. She would discuss Scripture, and gave me books that were written by non-catholics ...and prayed without mentioning Mary or a saint. I don't recall seeing "Mary" idols in her home like I saw at my mother-in-law's home. And she helped me in some ways that other medical people wouldn't have.

 

[shepherdsword]

Theologically refute my statement then. Using the Gospel, not your feelings.

Your heresy and cult doctrine has been refuted numerous times. However, since you are programmed by your apophenic eisegesis,you are blind to the truth. Explaining the truth to you is like explaining colors to one born blind. You simply lack the capacity to perceive it. Why go through it all again?

 

[bdavidc]

I get the impression that it has. They are very defensive about questioning Catholic doctrine.

ChristianForums dot com is not a place I'd recommend if you're genuinely seeking biblical truth and authentic Christian fellowship. I shared straightforward truths from the Bible and was banned for life without explanation. This experience left me deeply disappointed. It appears that the site operates more like a business rather than a platform focused on sincere Christianity. Be cautious if you're looking for meaningful spiritual connections or biblically-grounded discussions; you might find yourself unwelcome there.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Mary is the perfect one of us an example just to raise Jesus

There is no place in Scripture that says Mary was perfect and sinless. She actually expressed her own need for the Savior. She acknowledged her low estate, as well as GOD being her Savior. (Jesus, our Savior, IS God.)

Luke 1:46-48
46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

 

[bdavidc]

That is not a very helpful comment. Surely, on this forum at least, we can rise above bashing other Christians.

Catholics are not Christians according to the Bible. They need to repent and trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation, not in sacraments, the pope, or religious works.

A true Christian is someone who has been born again by repentance and faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation, not by religious rituals, sacraments, or good works. The Catholic Church as a system teaches doctrines that contradict the gospel found in Scripture. It promotes salvation through works, the intercession of Mary and saints, the repeated sacrifice of the mass, and other traditions that are not in the Bible and often oppose it. The Word of God is clear, “There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,” and “by grace are ye saved through faith... not of works” (1 Timothy 2:5, Ephesians 2:8, 9). Any gospel that adds to or changes this truth is false (Galatians 1:6–9).

The Catholic Church, by promoting a false gospel of works, rituals, and tradition over the clear truth of God's Word, is leading millions down the broad road that leads to destruction. Jesus warned, “Wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat” (Matthew 7:13). When people trust in a religious system instead of the finished work of Christ alone, they are deceived into thinking they are saved when they are not. This is not just error, it is eternal danger.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Your heresy and cult doctrine has been refuted numerous times. However, since you are programmed by your apophenic eisegesis,you are blind to the truth. Explaining the truth to you is like explaining colors to one born blind. You simply lack the capacity to perceive it. Why go through it all again?

So in other words, you still can’t refute what I actually said using Scripture. Got it. You’ve resorted to name-calling and pseudo-intellectual insults because you’ve run out of verses. Thanks for confirming that.

 

[bdavidc]

Maybe you haven't heard.. Anyone even acknowledging that Isreal is a land in the Middle East is openly denying that Jesus is the Messiah and that His covenant was fulfilled. Because if the promise was about dirt — and not fulfilled in Christ — then the cross meant nothing. Might want to get your theology in order before misleading others. The Body of Christ is Israel.

According to the Bible, Israel as a nation and people still has a distinct role in God's plan, and acknowledging that does not deny Christ, it affirms the full counsel of God. Romans 11 makes it clear that Israel has not been cast away, and that God is not finished with them. Paul says, “Hath God cast away his people? God forbid... For I also am an Israelite” (Romans 11:1). The church is never called “Israel” in Scripture. Believing Gentiles are grafted in to the promises of God, but they do not replace national Israel (Romans 11:17–24). The land promise to Abraham was literal, and God said it was an everlasting covenant (Genesis 17:7, 8). That covenant is not nullified by Christ's fulfillment of the law, it will be completed as God declared.

Jesus is indeed the fulfillment of the promises regarding salvation, but that does not erase the specific promises God made to the physical descendants of Abraham. Galatians 3:29 says those who are in Christ are Abraham’s seed “according to the promise,” but it does not say they become the nation of Israel. The body of Christ is made up of believing Jews and Gentiles, but it is not a national or geographic replacement for Israel. God's Word does not contradict itself. His covenant with Israel stands, and His plan through Christ includes both the church and the future redemption of Israel, just as Romans 11:26 says, “And so all Israel shall be saved.” To deny the existence of Israel or reduce it to a metaphor is to ignore what Scripture plainly says.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

According to the Bible, Israel as a nation and people still has a distinct role in God's plan, and acknowledging that does not deny Christ, it affirms the full counsel of God. Romans 11 makes it clear that Israel has not been cast away, and that God is not finished with them. Paul says, “Hath God cast away his people? God forbid... For I also am an Israelite” (Romans 11:1). The church is never called “Israel” in Scripture. Believing Gentiles are grafted in to the promises of God, but they do not replace national Israel (Romans 11:17–24). The land promise to Abraham was literal, and God said it was an everlasting covenant (Genesis 17:7, 8). That covenant is not nullified by Christ's fulfillment of the law, it will be completed as God declared.

Jesus is indeed the fulfillment of the promises regarding salvation, but that does not erase the specific promises God made to the physical descendants of Abraham. Galatians 3:29 says those who are in Christ are Abraham’s seed “according to the promise,” but it does not say they become the nation of Israel. The body of Christ is made up of believing Jews and Gentiles, but it is not a national or geographic replacement for Israel. God's Word does not contradict itself. His covenant with Israel stands, and His plan through Christ includes both the church and the future redemption of Israel, just as Romans 11:26 says, “And so all Israel shall be saved.” To deny the existence of Israel or reduce it to a metaphor is to ignore what Scripture plainly says.

You’re confusing covenant fulfillment with national favoritism. That’s your theology — not Paul’s.
Romans 11 doesn’t say Israel stays separate forever — it says some were broken off in unbelief, and others were grafted in by faith. Paul’s entire argument is about one tree, not two.

And no, the Church doesn’t “replace” Israel — it becomes the Israel of God. Not by dirt, but by Christ.

You quoted Genesis 17, but skipped Galatians 3:16 — Paul says the seed wasn’t “seeds” (plural), but ONE — Christ. And who inherits the land promise?

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Gal 3:29)

So unless you’re saying Jesus needs to hand out real estate to fulfill the covenant, then Christ IS the land. The inheritance is not a strip of dirt, it’s the Kingdom of God — accessed by faith, not bloodline.

Jesus Himself canceled the temple, declared judgment on the nation, and said the Kingdom would be taken from them and given to another nation (Matt 21:43). Who’s that nation? Peter tells you:

“You are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation.” (1 Peter 2:9)
That's the Church. That’s Israel reborn through Christ.

What you’re preaching isn’t “the full counsel of God.”
It’s two plans, two peoples, and a divided Messiah.
That’s not the Gospel — that’s Scofield’s twisted dispensationalism, where the cross is Plan B, and Christ is sidelined in favor of ethnic nationalism.

The truth is simple: There is one Body, one Covenant, one Israel — and His name is Jesus Christ.
Anything less than that isn’t fulfillment. It’s betrayal.

God is not a celestial real estate agent redistributing soil in the Middle East —
He’s a sovereign Father who fulfilled every promise in the blood of His Son.
If you still think Israel needs dirt to seal the deal, then you’ve gutted the Gospel —
and declared that Christ’s sacrifice wasn’t enough to finish what God started

And that is the real heresy.

And that’s what makes this not just true — but undeniable according to the Gospel:
Anyone still clinging to the idea that Israel is a modern nation-state in the Middle East is, whether knowingly or not, denying that Jesus is the Messiah and that His covenant was fulfilled.
Because if the promise was about real estate…
and not fulfilled in Christ alone…
then the cross was meaningless,
the resurrection was optional,
and the Kingdom of God is just a delayed building permit waiting on a political peace deal,
a red heifer, and a few more bulldozers in Jerusalem.

But it wasn’t.
The Kingdom came.
The Messiah reigns.
And in Him, every promise finds its Yes and Amen.

 

[shepherdsword]

So in other words, you still can’t refute what I actually said using Scripture. Got it. You’ve resorted to name-calling and pseudo-intellectual insults because you’ve run out of verses. Thanks for confirming that.

See? A perfect example of how this guy reads anything he wants into what others say. He does the same with the scriptures. Thanks for the example!

 

[NotTheRock]

Well I guess i have to point this out remove Mary and the sacraments and it all exactly the same.I have to continue.The Catholic Church is the mother church because of Mary.Surprise the sacrament have come back to the reformed Church 4 of them in different forms even communion.You don't have to be a Catholic but you have to ask yourself why you hate Jesus mother so much - does that actually make sense to you? Mary is the perfect one of us an example just to raise Jesus like God would allow it to be the way some think - really?

There are many other issues besides their worship of Mary and saints.

 

[NotTheRock]

Catholics are not Christians according to the Bible. They need to repent and trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation, not in sacraments, the pope, or religious works.

True.

 

[bdavidc]

You’re confusing covenant fulfillment with national favoritism. That’s your theology — not Paul’s.
Romans 11 doesn’t say Israel stays separate forever — it says some were broken off in unbelief, and others were grafted in by faith. Paul’s entire argument is about one tree, not two.

And no, the Church doesn’t “replace” Israel — it becomes the Israel of God. Not by dirt, but by Christ.

You quoted Genesis 17, but skipped Galatians 3:16 — Paul says the seed wasn’t “seeds” (plural), but ONE — Christ. And who inherits the land promise?

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Gal 3:29)

So unless you’re saying Jesus needs to hand out real estate to fulfill the covenant, then Christ IS the land. The inheritance is not a strip of dirt, it’s the Kingdom of God — accessed by faith, not bloodline.

Jesus Himself canceled the temple, declared judgment on the nation, and said the Kingdom would be taken from them and given to another nation (Matt 21:43). Who’s that nation? Peter tells you:

“You are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation.” (1 Peter 2:9)
That's the Church. That’s Israel reborn through Christ.

What you’re preaching isn’t “the full counsel of God.”
It’s two plans, two peoples, and a divided Messiah.
That’s not the Gospel — that’s Scofield’s twisted dispensationalism, where the cross is Plan B, and Christ is sidelined in favor of ethnic nationalism.

The truth is simple: There is one Body, one Covenant, one Israel — and His name is Jesus Christ.
Anything less than that isn’t fulfillment. It’s betrayal.

God is not a celestial real estate agent redistributing soil in the Middle East —
He’s a sovereign Father who fulfilled every promise in the blood of His Son.
If you still think Israel needs dirt to seal the deal, then you’ve gutted the Gospel —
and declared that Christ’s sacrifice wasn’t enough to finish what God started

And that is the real heresy.

And that’s what makes this not just true — but undeniable according to the Gospel:
Anyone still clinging to the idea that Israel is a modern nation-state in the Middle East is, whether knowingly or not, denying that Jesus is the Messiah and that His covenant was fulfilled.
Because if the promise was about real estate…
and not fulfilled in Christ alone…
then the cross was meaningless,
the resurrection was optional,
and the Kingdom of God is just a delayed building permit waiting on a political peace deal,
a red heifer, and a few more bulldozers in Jerusalem.

But it wasn’t.
The Kingdom came.
The Messiah reigns.
And in Him, every promise finds its Yes and Amen.

You're twisting Scripture to force your theology and ignoring the full counsel of God. I'm not confusing covenant fulfillment with nationalism, and I'm not preaching two peoples or two plans. I'm pointing out what the Bible actually says. God made everlasting promises to Israel, not just spiritual ones, but literal ones, including the land, and you don’t get to cancel that just because it doesn’t fit your view of fulfillment.

Yes, Galatians 3:16 says the seed is Christ, but that doesn’t erase the covenant God made with Abraham’s descendants. Being in Christ means sharing in the spiritual blessings of that promise, but it doesn’t wipe out the specific promises God made to the nation of Israel. Romans 11 says Israel has been partially blinded, not replaced. And it says they will be grafted in again. That’s not symbolic language, it’s a real future event. The olive tree isn’t the Church replacing Israel, it’s God's covenant purpose, and both Jews and Gentiles are grafted into it.

Your claim that believing in God’s faithfulness to Israel guts the gospel is nonsense. God does not break His promises. If He did, no one could trust the promise of eternal life either. You accuse others of heresy while ignoring what the Bible plainly says. Your version of “one body” erases entire chapters of Scripture to force everything into one box. That’s not biblical theology, that’s replacement error dressed in poetic language.

The Messiah reigns, yes, but He will also return and fulfill every word God spoke, including His promises to Israel. Denying that isn’t faith, it’s arrogance. So no, I haven’t confused anything. You’ve just rejected the parts of Scripture that contradict your system.

 

[PGS11]

There are many other issues besides their worship of Mary and saints.

I don't worship her I never said I did I admire her that's all.I try to be perfect and fail all the time.Worshipping Mary will not save me why would I do such a silly thing?I worship God like everyone else.Mary is not a God she is one of us.I did not have Jesus at my side like she did.

I'm done I am leave this site for ever I am a catholic.........................

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

It's hard to read the false teachings that repeatedly enter here . And the perpetrators won't change.

Would we sit for a sermon by the antichrist too?

 

[NotTheRock]

I don't worship her I never said I did I admire her that's all.I try to be perfect and fail all the time.Worshipping Mary will not save me why would I do such a silly thing?I worship God like everyone else.Mary is not a God she is one of us.I did not have Jesus at my side like she did.

I'm done I am leave this site for ever I am a catholic.........................

Mary was a very special person. We love and respect Mary along with the Apostles and many others that did great things in the name of God. However, we look to and follow God and we make our prayers known to him and to him alone.

There is no scriptural basis to support praying to anyone other than our Father in Heaven.

We give all praise, glory, and thanks to our Father and to him alone. He is the creator of ALL things and is the only being worthy of our worship. To give those honors to anyone other than God is a slap to his face.