Has "Christian Forums" become a Catholic site?

[bdavidc]

I get the impression that it has. They are very defensive about questioning Catholic doctrine.

ChristianForums dot com is not a place I'd recommend if you're genuinely seeking biblical truth and authentic Christian fellowship. I shared straightforward truths from the Bible and was banned for life without explanation. This experience left me deeply disappointed. It appears that the site operates more like a business rather than a platform focused on sincere Christianity. Be cautious if you're looking for meaningful spiritual connections or biblically-grounded discussions; you might find yourself unwelcome there.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Mary is the perfect one of us an example just to raise Jesus

There is no place in Scripture that says Mary was perfect and sinless. She actually expressed her own need for the Savior. She acknowledged her low estate, as well as GOD being her Savior. (Jesus, our Savior, IS God.)

Luke 1:46-48
46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

 

[bdavidc]

That is not a very helpful comment. Surely, on this forum at least, we can rise above bashing other Christians.

Catholics are not Christians according to the Bible. They need to repent and trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation, not in sacraments, the pope, or religious works.

A true Christian is someone who has been born again by repentance and faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation, not by religious rituals, sacraments, or good works. The Catholic Church as a system teaches doctrines that contradict the gospel found in Scripture. It promotes salvation through works, the intercession of Mary and saints, the repeated sacrifice of the mass, and other traditions that are not in the Bible and often oppose it. The Word of God is clear, “There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,” and “by grace are ye saved through faith... not of works” (1 Timothy 2:5, Ephesians 2:8, 9). Any gospel that adds to or changes this truth is false (Galatians 1:6–9).

The Catholic Church, by promoting a false gospel of works, rituals, and tradition over the clear truth of God's Word, is leading millions down the broad road that leads to destruction. Jesus warned, “Wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat” (Matthew 7:13). When people trust in a religious system instead of the finished work of Christ alone, they are deceived into thinking they are saved when they are not. This is not just error, it is eternal danger.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Your heresy and cult doctrine has been refuted numerous times. However, since you are programmed by your apophenic eisegesis,you are blind to the truth. Explaining the truth to you is like explaining colors to one born blind. You simply lack the capacity to perceive it. Why go through it all again?

So in other words, you still can’t refute what I actually said using Scripture. Got it. You’ve resorted to name-calling and pseudo-intellectual insults because you’ve run out of verses. Thanks for confirming that.

 

[bdavidc]

Maybe you haven't heard.. Anyone even acknowledging that Isreal is a land in the Middle East is openly denying that Jesus is the Messiah and that His covenant was fulfilled. Because if the promise was about dirt — and not fulfilled in Christ — then the cross meant nothing. Might want to get your theology in order before misleading others. The Body of Christ is Israel.

According to the Bible, Israel as a nation and people still has a distinct role in God's plan, and acknowledging that does not deny Christ, it affirms the full counsel of God. Romans 11 makes it clear that Israel has not been cast away, and that God is not finished with them. Paul says, “Hath God cast away his people? God forbid... For I also am an Israelite” (Romans 11:1). The church is never called “Israel” in Scripture. Believing Gentiles are grafted in to the promises of God, but they do not replace national Israel (Romans 11:17–24). The land promise to Abraham was literal, and God said it was an everlasting covenant (Genesis 17:7, 8). That covenant is not nullified by Christ's fulfillment of the law, it will be completed as God declared.

Jesus is indeed the fulfillment of the promises regarding salvation, but that does not erase the specific promises God made to the physical descendants of Abraham. Galatians 3:29 says those who are in Christ are Abraham’s seed “according to the promise,” but it does not say they become the nation of Israel. The body of Christ is made up of believing Jews and Gentiles, but it is not a national or geographic replacement for Israel. God's Word does not contradict itself. His covenant with Israel stands, and His plan through Christ includes both the church and the future redemption of Israel, just as Romans 11:26 says, “And so all Israel shall be saved.” To deny the existence of Israel or reduce it to a metaphor is to ignore what Scripture plainly says.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

According to the Bible, Israel as a nation and people still has a distinct role in God's plan, and acknowledging that does not deny Christ, it affirms the full counsel of God. Romans 11 makes it clear that Israel has not been cast away, and that God is not finished with them. Paul says, “Hath God cast away his people? God forbid... For I also am an Israelite” (Romans 11:1). The church is never called “Israel” in Scripture. Believing Gentiles are grafted in to the promises of God, but they do not replace national Israel (Romans 11:17–24). The land promise to Abraham was literal, and God said it was an everlasting covenant (Genesis 17:7, 8). That covenant is not nullified by Christ's fulfillment of the law, it will be completed as God declared.

Jesus is indeed the fulfillment of the promises regarding salvation, but that does not erase the specific promises God made to the physical descendants of Abraham. Galatians 3:29 says those who are in Christ are Abraham’s seed “according to the promise,” but it does not say they become the nation of Israel. The body of Christ is made up of believing Jews and Gentiles, but it is not a national or geographic replacement for Israel. God's Word does not contradict itself. His covenant with Israel stands, and His plan through Christ includes both the church and the future redemption of Israel, just as Romans 11:26 says, “And so all Israel shall be saved.” To deny the existence of Israel or reduce it to a metaphor is to ignore what Scripture plainly says.

You’re confusing covenant fulfillment with national favoritism. That’s your theology — not Paul’s.
Romans 11 doesn’t say Israel stays separate forever — it says some were broken off in unbelief, and others were grafted in by faith. Paul’s entire argument is about one tree, not two.

And no, the Church doesn’t “replace” Israel — it becomes the Israel of God. Not by dirt, but by Christ.

You quoted Genesis 17, but skipped Galatians 3:16 — Paul says the seed wasn’t “seeds” (plural), but ONE — Christ. And who inherits the land promise?

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Gal 3:29)

So unless you’re saying Jesus needs to hand out real estate to fulfill the covenant, then Christ IS the land. The inheritance is not a strip of dirt, it’s the Kingdom of God — accessed by faith, not bloodline.

Jesus Himself canceled the temple, declared judgment on the nation, and said the Kingdom would be taken from them and given to another nation (Matt 21:43). Who’s that nation? Peter tells you:

“You are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation.” (1 Peter 2:9)
That's the Church. That’s Israel reborn through Christ.

What you’re preaching isn’t “the full counsel of God.”
It’s two plans, two peoples, and a divided Messiah.
That’s not the Gospel — that’s Scofield’s twisted dispensationalism, where the cross is Plan B, and Christ is sidelined in favor of ethnic nationalism.

The truth is simple: There is one Body, one Covenant, one Israel — and His name is Jesus Christ.
Anything less than that isn’t fulfillment. It’s betrayal.

God is not a celestial real estate agent redistributing soil in the Middle East —
He’s a sovereign Father who fulfilled every promise in the blood of His Son.
If you still think Israel needs dirt to seal the deal, then you’ve gutted the Gospel —
and declared that Christ’s sacrifice wasn’t enough to finish what God started

And that is the real heresy.

And that’s what makes this not just true — but undeniable according to the Gospel:
Anyone still clinging to the idea that Israel is a modern nation-state in the Middle East is, whether knowingly or not, denying that Jesus is the Messiah and that His covenant was fulfilled.
Because if the promise was about real estate…
and not fulfilled in Christ alone…
then the cross was meaningless,
the resurrection was optional,
and the Kingdom of God is just a delayed building permit waiting on a political peace deal,
a red heifer, and a few more bulldozers in Jerusalem.

But it wasn’t.
The Kingdom came.
The Messiah reigns.
And in Him, every promise finds its Yes and Amen.

 

[shepherdsword]

So in other words, you still can’t refute what I actually said using Scripture. Got it. You’ve resorted to name-calling and pseudo-intellectual insults because you’ve run out of verses. Thanks for confirming that.

See? A perfect example of how this guy reads anything he wants into what others say. He does the same with the scriptures. Thanks for the example!

 

[NotTheRock]

Well I guess i have to point this out remove Mary and the sacraments and it all exactly the same.I have to continue.The Catholic Church is the mother church because of Mary.Surprise the sacrament have come back to the reformed Church 4 of them in different forms even communion.You don't have to be a Catholic but you have to ask yourself why you hate Jesus mother so much - does that actually make sense to you? Mary is the perfect one of us an example just to raise Jesus like God would allow it to be the way some think - really?

There are many other issues besides their worship of Mary and saints.

 

[NotTheRock]

Catholics are not Christians according to the Bible. They need to repent and trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation, not in sacraments, the pope, or religious works.

True.

 

[bdavidc]

You’re confusing covenant fulfillment with national favoritism. That’s your theology — not Paul’s.
Romans 11 doesn’t say Israel stays separate forever — it says some were broken off in unbelief, and others were grafted in by faith. Paul’s entire argument is about one tree, not two.

And no, the Church doesn’t “replace” Israel — it becomes the Israel of God. Not by dirt, but by Christ.

You quoted Genesis 17, but skipped Galatians 3:16 — Paul says the seed wasn’t “seeds” (plural), but ONE — Christ. And who inherits the land promise?

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Gal 3:29)

So unless you’re saying Jesus needs to hand out real estate to fulfill the covenant, then Christ IS the land. The inheritance is not a strip of dirt, it’s the Kingdom of God — accessed by faith, not bloodline.

Jesus Himself canceled the temple, declared judgment on the nation, and said the Kingdom would be taken from them and given to another nation (Matt 21:43). Who’s that nation? Peter tells you:

“You are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation.” (1 Peter 2:9)
That's the Church. That’s Israel reborn through Christ.

What you’re preaching isn’t “the full counsel of God.”
It’s two plans, two peoples, and a divided Messiah.
That’s not the Gospel — that’s Scofield’s twisted dispensationalism, where the cross is Plan B, and Christ is sidelined in favor of ethnic nationalism.

The truth is simple: There is one Body, one Covenant, one Israel — and His name is Jesus Christ.
Anything less than that isn’t fulfillment. It’s betrayal.

God is not a celestial real estate agent redistributing soil in the Middle East —
He’s a sovereign Father who fulfilled every promise in the blood of His Son.
If you still think Israel needs dirt to seal the deal, then you’ve gutted the Gospel —
and declared that Christ’s sacrifice wasn’t enough to finish what God started

And that is the real heresy.

And that’s what makes this not just true — but undeniable according to the Gospel:
Anyone still clinging to the idea that Israel is a modern nation-state in the Middle East is, whether knowingly or not, denying that Jesus is the Messiah and that His covenant was fulfilled.
Because if the promise was about real estate…
and not fulfilled in Christ alone…
then the cross was meaningless,
the resurrection was optional,
and the Kingdom of God is just a delayed building permit waiting on a political peace deal,
a red heifer, and a few more bulldozers in Jerusalem.

But it wasn’t.
The Kingdom came.
The Messiah reigns.
And in Him, every promise finds its Yes and Amen.

You're twisting Scripture to force your theology and ignoring the full counsel of God. I'm not confusing covenant fulfillment with nationalism, and I'm not preaching two peoples or two plans. I'm pointing out what the Bible actually says. God made everlasting promises to Israel, not just spiritual ones, but literal ones, including the land, and you don’t get to cancel that just because it doesn’t fit your view of fulfillment.

Yes, Galatians 3:16 says the seed is Christ, but that doesn’t erase the covenant God made with Abraham’s descendants. Being in Christ means sharing in the spiritual blessings of that promise, but it doesn’t wipe out the specific promises God made to the nation of Israel. Romans 11 says Israel has been partially blinded, not replaced. And it says they will be grafted in again. That’s not symbolic language, it’s a real future event. The olive tree isn’t the Church replacing Israel, it’s God's covenant purpose, and both Jews and Gentiles are grafted into it.

Your claim that believing in God’s faithfulness to Israel guts the gospel is nonsense. God does not break His promises. If He did, no one could trust the promise of eternal life either. You accuse others of heresy while ignoring what the Bible plainly says. Your version of “one body” erases entire chapters of Scripture to force everything into one box. That’s not biblical theology, that’s replacement error dressed in poetic language.

The Messiah reigns, yes, but He will also return and fulfill every word God spoke, including His promises to Israel. Denying that isn’t faith, it’s arrogance. So no, I haven’t confused anything. You’ve just rejected the parts of Scripture that contradict your system.

 

[Toro55]

There are many other issues besides their worship of Mary and saints.

I don't worship her I never said I did I admire her that's all.I try to be perfect and fail all the time.Worshipping Mary will not save me why would I do such a silly thing?I worship God like everyone else.Mary is not a God she is one of us.I did not have Jesus at my side like she did.

I'm done I am leave this site for ever I am a catholic.........................

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

It's hard to read the false teachings that repeatedly enter here . And the perpetrators won't change.

Would we sit for a sermon by the antichrist too?

 

[NotTheRock]

I don't worship her I never said I did I admire her that's all.I try to be perfect and fail all the time.Worshipping Mary will not save me why would I do such a silly thing?I worship God like everyone else.Mary is not a God she is one of us.I did not have Jesus at my side like she did.

I'm done I am leave this site for ever I am a catholic.........................

Mary was a very special person. We love and respect Mary along with the Apostles and many others that did great things in the name of God. However, we look to and follow God and we make our prayers known to him and to him alone.

There is no scriptural basis to support praying to anyone other than our Father in Heaven.

We give all praise, glory, and thanks to our Father and to him alone. He is the creator of ALL things and is the only being worthy of our worship. To give those honors to anyone other than God is a slap to his face.

 

[Ezra]

It's my experience with CF.com that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, meaning it's less about what's fair and more about simply who complains the loudest. It's a big forum, and I think the staff is mostly operating on a just put out the fires principle. Not the way it should be, IMO, but they grew it so large that they kinda outgrew their ability to properly manage it. That's assuming they want it managed more strictly or if their interest was in creating tension and then feeding off of it, but that's another story for another time.

this what your talking about ?

Christian Forum Site​

 

[soberxp]

Your cult teaching is stuck in reverse....., and has no relationship to the NT or to OT prophecy.

My home is in Israel, so as i read more and more of your theological ignornace, and see how deeply you have been decived by this cult teaching, all i can think is that is very unfortunate for you @The Gospel of Christ

Your home and our home is heaven.... Not here on earth.

We are all staying here temporarily.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

a Catholic on staff took offense to it and had me banned.

Apparently the catholic cat thought mary wanted you off the site

That is not a very helpful comment. Surely, on this forum at least, we can rise above bashing other Christians.

It was a very helpful comment because... catholics are not Christians.

They do not follow the Doctrine of Christ that Jesus and His Apostles taught which you can learn about in the New Testament.

Those that have been taught that catholics are Christians are deceived and are ignorant of what the New Testament teaches.

Nobody attack's Methodist's, Baptists, or Lutheran, or others after leaving.

All those denominations are famous for teaching false doctrine... they need to be spoken to about coming out of their deception.

Christ energy

Are you one of them new agers???

They talk like this using terms like "energy" and many new agers claim to be Christians too and talk about the "cosmic christ"

Well, at least they don't allow anything Gnostic

The RCC church is the prime example of being gnostic because they claim to have special extra biblical revelation from god... but it's the god of this world because their doctrine is full of lies and deception.

you have to ask yourself why you hate Jesus mother so much

Other than being the vehicle God used to bring His Word into a flesh body.... mary has ZERO to do with salvation.

See? A perfect example of how this guy reads anything he wants into what others say. He does the same with the scriptures. Thanks for the example!

Some people are nutjobs and you just have to put them on ignore.

 

[Grailhunter]

You guys need to consider the tone of the Christians that are posting here. As a Theologian I run into it all the time. Even between people that call themselves Theologians. But true Theologians do not belong to any one denomination….Protestant or Catholic. A Baptist Theologian is really a Baptist scholar. Real Theologians do not have to deal with hate…hate for Catholics or Protestants. And real Theologians knows that hate is a spiritual poison. I can feel it in the posts on this forum.

A poison, a general dislike – hate between Catholics and Protestants. The Eastern Orthodox get left out, which probably a good thing. Admittedly there is a lot of bad blood between the Catholic and Protestants….there were even wars between the Catholics and Protestants, but most do not know enough about history to be knowledgeable about that. And the history of the Catholics is both good and bad. All kinds of good history

But all that gets mowed over by their bad history which is so horrific and evil that it would make you puke. It is over whelming that human beings could be so cruel and evil! There is no Theologian or historian that can explain that except to blame it on the general nature of man to become corrupt with power. But as it is today the Catholic Church has officially apologized for their past atrocities and the modern Catholic Church is better than it ever was. And it is a tenant of Christian faith to forgive. But one of their last lessons to learn is the trouble celibacy with clergy will continue to cause corruption in their church.

There are 30,000 Protestant denominations and some say over 50,000 world wide. I have counted 30,000 myself and yes there are duplicates. But even at that globally, the Roman Catholic Church out numbers all others combined at over 1.3 billion followers. If you add up all the Protestant denominations they number less than Catholic at 900 million worldwide.

But size does not make them right no more than diversity in Protestantism make them right. As a Theologian I can tell you that there is a certain amount of delusional thinking with both the Catholics and the Protestants. Catholics like to think that their Popes are a direct succession from the Apostle Peter. The Catholic Church was formed in the 4th century organized by the Ecumenical Councils and Emperor Constantine and the Roman Empire being the power behind the Church. And the first Pope was Sylvester I.

The Catholic Pope cannot claim anymore succession from the Apostle Peter than any Protestant Preacher. That being true because their religions are based on the same scriptures. What the Protestants cannot claim is history, for that reason they do not want to admit history. The Protestants think they are right because they hold to sola scriptura. But the concept of “Bible Only” or sola scriptura is a fallacy because Christianity adopted new beliefs, like a requirement for wedding ceremonies and the moratoriums of polygamy and concubinage and slavery all occurred centuries after the biblical era and they are still learning things about women’s rights.

Christ did not return soon and the Christian Church continued on after the biblical era. What does that mean? Think about it. We are all successor of the Apostle Peter and he was an example of us. He denied Yeshua and he wavered in his beliefs. We are all flawed but God loved us while we were yet sinner and are sinners. And God turned the church over to humanity.

It a great responsibility because we learn so slow. We are still learning that God sees men and women as equal Christians. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28 For how many centuries has Christianity ignored this scripture? So slow to learn.

So the point of all this historical review is that there is another lesson for Christianity and those on this forum to learn. We are all Christians and we should not hate other Christians, we should love one another. Christianity has become a smorgasbord of beliefs between the Catholics the Eastern Orthodox and the many Protestant denominations and their many beleifs. That is simply the reality of it all. The Catholics have added beliefs beyond the biblical era and the Protestants have added things beyond the biblical era….The lesson is love, the love of God and love He has shown us and that we should love one another.
And by the way....Go to church!

Grailhunter….The Johnny Appleseed of Truth
Be good and do good

 

[Brakelite]

Your home and our home is heaven.... Not here on earth.

We are all staying here temporarily.

Were will be in heaven temporarily. The meek shall inherit the earth. A new heavens, a new earth.

 

[Brakelite]

But as it is today the Catholic Church has officially apologized for their past atrocities and the modern Catholic Church is better than it ever was.

Yes she has apologised. However, one must recognise the reasons she was so embittered and antagonistic toward faiths that denied papal supremacy. They were doctrinal reasons. Doctrines that were not derived from scripture, but from tradition, and given strength and impetus through church "doctors" such as Thomas Aquinas, and theologians such as Augustine. Doctrines which developed into policies, carried out by unscrupulous murderous popes and prelates in conjunction with unconverted kings, queens, and princess eager for papal favour and earthly gain.
So the question remains, has she really changed? Those doctrines by her own claims to infallibility, are still dogma, and the various councils such as Trent and Vatican 1 and 2 confirmed their continuing relevancy. The Catholic church has the cunning to put on a fair front when circumstances demand it. But give her power as she once wielded during the dark ages, and we will soon witness the truth that the chameleon, though looking different, is still a reptile.

 

[rockytopva]

I am warned all the time at CF. The main people who complain against me are atheist. But... Do I care? I will always think as atheism as a terrible decision in life.