Wick Stick
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I dunno - there are some people out there who really hate themselves.
The Case for Eternal Security
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Sister-n-Christ
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I tell you what. Spend enough time browsing and reading any active Christian discussion board and you realize,after seeing on their homepage the number of members they might boast having, there aren't that many actual Christians at all .
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Actual Christians?
How are such things measured?
Is someone an actual Christian if they agree with your doctrine?
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Sister-n-Christ
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St. SteVen said:
Anyone who claims to hate God haven't met Him yet.
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Anyone who claims to hate God haven't met Him yet.
No. God is love. Remember the Prodigal's father?
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BarneyFife
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Lucifer was very familiar with God.
I'm not sure an eternal security debate isn't a moot point within the framework of UR—especially as presented in the OP.
Now, let's dance.
St. SteVen said:
Actual Christians?
How are such things measured?
Is someone an actual Christian if they agree with your doctrine?
A renewed relationship with God is key.
Not always obvious from the way they post.
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Actual Christians?
How are such things measured?
Is someone an actual Christian if they agree with your doctrine?
That's a good question.
A renewed relationship with God is key.
Not always obvious from the way they post.
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Sister-n-Christ
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Sister-n-Christ
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St. SteVen said:
Anyone who claims to hate God haven't met Him yet.
As far as I know, Lucifer has not yet been offered forgiveness.
But I think that will happen at the end of the age of restoration. IMHO
The ultimate triumph of grace. --- So, not a moot point.
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Anyone who claims to hate God haven't met Him yet.
I was referring to humans that have not yet met God.Lucifer was very familiar with God.
I'm not sure an eternal security debate isn't a moot point within the framework of UR—especially as presented in the OP.
Now, let's dance.
As far as I know, Lucifer has not yet been offered forgiveness.
But I think that will happen at the end of the age of restoration. IMHO
The ultimate triumph of grace. --- So, not a moot point.
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I agree that forum Christian demonstrate many disturbing characteristics.
But I am not quick to judge them.
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St. SteVen said:
Anyone who claims to hate God haven't met Him yet.
No. God is love. Remember the Prodigal's father?
It is easy to claim one hates God due to life circumstances.
But meeting the God of love face-to-face would make all the difference.
Many testimonies attest to this. Right?
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Anyone who claims to hate God haven't met Him yet.
No. God is love. Remember the Prodigal's father?
Perhaps.
It is easy to claim one hates God due to life circumstances.
But meeting the God of love face-to-face would make all the difference.
Many testimonies attest to this. Right?
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Sister-n-Christ
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We all hate Him, or have at one time, I suppose.
Jesus taught us to love our enemies.
So what should he do with His?
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Sister-n-Christ
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St. SteVen said:
We all hate Him, or have at one time, I suppose.
Do you Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind?
Anything less is to hate Him.
Matthew 22:37 NIV
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
St. SteVen said:
Jesus taught us to love our enemies.
So what should he do with His?
Matthew 5:43-48 NIV
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven.
He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others?
Do not even pagans do that?
48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
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We all hate Him, or have at one time, I suppose.
Seriously?
Do you Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind?
Anything less is to hate Him.
Matthew 22:37 NIV
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
St. SteVen said:
Jesus taught us to love our enemies.
So what should he do with His?
If He operates at a higher level of morality than He holds us to then He will forgive His enemies.
Matthew 5:43-48 NIV
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven.
He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others?
Do not even pagans do that?
48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
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Sister-n-Christ
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You posit suppositions regarding God and his enemies.
You don't have to suppose if you read the Old Testament.
Sister-n-Christ
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Wick Stick
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I don't know that it's about hating God. There are people out there who hate themself. They would be happy to be condemned because they feel they deserve it.
