The Case for Eternal Security
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Agree.
I think the person that shakes a fist at God is daring Him to show Himself.
If He actually did, that would have a dramatic change in the situation.
Like a father finding his runaway child huddled in the corner of an alley, cold and hungry.
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Behold
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Its nonsense.
So, just go with that...
See, there is no such thing as a accurate "census" regarding the number of unbelievers in Japan, or India, or in Texas or in Netanya Israel, where i have my home.
Sometimes you might consider thinking about what you are posting.....but on the other hand you are the "ace" who posted a Thread asking if the word of God, floats like soap.
So, this type of behavior.......explains and reveals a lot abour your personal character..... @St. SteVen
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Which is more pure? - The Bible, or Ivory Soap?
Which is more pure? The Bible, or Ivory Soap? (99.44% pure) And does it float? [
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Ivory Soap is rated as 99.44% pure.
The Bible is rated as 99.5% pure.
Therefore, the Bible is MORE pure than Ivory soap.
But, does it float? - LOL
How Accurate is the Bible? | Bible.org
The New Testament can be regarded as 99.5 percent pure, and the correct readings for the remaining 0.5 percent can often be ascertained with a fair degree of probability by the practice of textual criticism. C. The Time Span of Manuscripts ... The Bible places great stress on accurate historical details, and... (continued at source)[
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Behold
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I dont notice.
Im not here to collect "likes"........
You should try that one day.....as it'll be something brand new for you to experience. @St. SteVen
BarneyFife
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I guess I wasn't very clear.
The Lucifer remark was in direct response to your claim that those who hate God haven't met Him. And I can't honestly say I'm convinced of your distinction, which you seem to admit is only an opinion.
The "moot point" comment was only in reference to the OP. I suppose I'm looking at this through some kind of lenses, but it doesn't make sense to me to invoke eternal security within a soteriology that suggests no one is lost anyway, and folks are, in effect, "saved" because God willed it long before, so to speak, they were even born.
I really want to give UR a fair hearing in my own mind, but I keep running into walls that I don't know how to get around/over.
Before, when we've discussed this, you've basically just told me I have to rely on faith that seems blind to me.
The hardest part for me is that if your view of the reliability of Scripture is such as you exhibit, how can you be so sure that the portions you rely on to support UR are reliable?
In the end, it looks like you're just another one of us religious slobs who don't agree with each other. But, then, maybe that's precisely your point?
Just being honest.
Admittedly, as much as I have enjoyed our fellowship, your tendency toward religious deconstructionism (for lack of a better term) is completely foreign to my cognitive abilities.
In other words, I love you but you drive me nuts.
BarneyFife
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Boy, you can say that again.
I wonder what these folks would be doing if they didn't have some character to assassinate somewhere.
How exhausting.
I guess it's served its purpose. I think it definitely informs my decision about whether to participate. I put these folks on -Ignore- often enough but sooner or later something compels me to take them off again. And then I quickly find myself wondering why.
UR is like starting over with a whole new set of rules.
The first big roadblock I ran into was eternal life being equal to eternal punishment.
If the punishment wasn't eternal, then neither was the life.
I was sure I was ready to give up eternal life for UR.
Once I realized that one age is followed by another, I was able to sort it out.
There will be many ages to come. Only one is needed for the judgement/evaluation/restoration.
I haven't thrown the Bible away. I just view it differently.
Anyone who has honestly looked into it should have a modicum of concern.
Which stands in contrast to the pedestal most put the book on.
LOLAdmittedly, as much as I have enjoyed our fellowship, your tendency toward religious deconstructionism (for lack of a better term) is completely foreign to my cognitive abilities.
In other words, I love you but you drive me nuts.
The voice of one crying out in the wilderness...
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St. SteVen said:
As do your responses. - LOL
Readers can decide.
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As do your responses. - LOL
They do me a great service with their lame responses.Boy, you can say that again.
I wonder what these folks would be doing if they didn't have some character to assassinate somewhere.
How exhausting.
I guess it's served its purpose. I think it definitely informs my decision about whether to participate. I put these folks on -Ignore- often enough but sooner or later something compels me to take them off again. And then I quickly find myself wondering why.
Readers can decide.
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Behold
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I realize that you are mind owned by a demonic theology that is Cross rejecting........"universalism".
Thats a given, and proven many times by your own posts....
However,
are you this one?.........as Grailhunter defines it? @St. SteVen
@Grailhunter wrote.
""""Call these visitations and events just something. But if you call her demonic or these events demonic.... you might find yourself damned on Judgment Day. Just becareful my friends.""""
Wick Stick
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I don't know about you, but I grew up in a church that taught that EVERYBODY deserved an eternity of damnation. "All have sinned" and all that.That's a horrible thought. Poor souls.
In retrospect, that doesn't seem like the healthiest worldview, whether it's true or not. Loving oneself seems to be a pre-requisite for loving anyone or anything else, and heaping guilt on ourselves undermines that.
Wick Stick
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I think God is always exactly in the same place, and it falls on us to go TO Him. The parable of the Prodigal Son frames it that way, and there's this...
Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. (James 4:8)
Dash RipRock
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Here's some passages the eternal security proponents can't explain away.
They must ignores these passages to keep their position.
Romans 11:21,22 - For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
2 Peter 2:20 - For if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
James 5:19,20 - Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
When a Christians error4s from the truth, they have turned away from the Lord and have become sinners once again and they are no longer in right standing with the Lord until they turn away from their sin and confess their sin to the Lord so they can have mercy
Proverbs 28:13 - He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.
There's no mercy for those that do not confess and turn away from their sin because God is not mocked what we sow is what we reap and if we sow to the flesh we shall of the flesh reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8)
Those teaching eternal security are mocking God
They must ignores these passages to keep their position.
Romans 11:21,22 - For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
2 Peter 2:20 - For if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
James 5:19,20 - Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
When a Christians error4s from the truth, they have turned away from the Lord and have become sinners once again and they are no longer in right standing with the Lord until they turn away from their sin and confess their sin to the Lord so they can have mercy
Proverbs 28:13 - He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.
There's no mercy for those that do not confess and turn away from their sin because God is not mocked what we sow is what we reap and if we sow to the flesh we shall of the flesh reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8)
Those teaching eternal security are mocking God
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That saw cuts both ways.
If you find out that you don't have eternal security in the afterlife,
will it be too late to do anything about it? What will you do?
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On the other hand we have the Good Shepherd that leaves the ninety-nine to go after the one and bring them back.
Seems He has us coming and going.
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Dash RipRock
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Not for those that are full gospel who believe all the Lord says in His Word.
Those that teach against all the Lord says are the ones who don't have salvation.
We'll see how that works out for you as you reject Romans 11:21,22, 2 Peter 2:20, James 5:19,20 and Proverbs 28:13 that very clearly demonstrate that salvation can in fact be lost.
To believe in once saved always saved one must change how Gal 6:7,8 reads to:
God CAN be mocked, we we sow is NOT what we reap, if one sows to the flesh they shall NOT reap corruption, and if one sows to the Spirit they shall NOT real life.
So please do continue, share more with us how you mock God and His Word as the demons lead.
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