Ultimately, it's not a matter of who is right and who is wrong... (?)
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Keiw
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Isaiah 44:6--I am YHVH(Jehovah) beside ME ( not we) there is no other God.
Sister-n-Christ
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Bruce-Leiter
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No, I meant to address you, @Sister-n-Christ, because of this quote, in which you appear to deny that Jesus is human:
"Of course he could not be killed by those unbelievers in the temple or the Romans who carried out the crucifixion.
His death on the cross was his final parable to those for whom it was given to see and understand.
The flesh appeared to die on that cross for the sins the Pharisees accused him of."
You say, "I believe" but seem to say that Jesus is divine but not human. Is that so? You can answer; I don't bite.
Sister-n-Christ
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OK,thanks for clarifying.No, I meant to address you, @Sister-n-Christ, because of this quote, in which you appear to deny that Jesus is human:
"Of course he could not be killed by those unbelievers in the temple or the Romans who carried out the crucifixion.
His death on the cross was his final parable to those for whom it was given to see and understand.
The flesh appeared to die on that cross for the sins the Pharisees accused him of."
You say, "I believe" but seem to say that Jesus is divine but not human. Is that so? You can answer; I don't bite.
I think you'll understand my answer if you read John 1.
Jesus was Divine and human .
The witnesses to his death on the cross didn't fully understand that. So, for them it appeared Jesus died on the cross.
He left his body there. Because he was God too. Just as we learned in John 1.
Remember the passage, God is not a man that he should lie.
God is not a man so God cannot be killed. Though the man people knew as Jesus was.
Bruce-Leiter
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Ah, I see. Also, I thank you for your clarification. May the 3-in-1 God bless you!
Interesting to note that discussion, or even mention, of the Trinity was not allowed here again until December 2024.
THE Trinity can Now be discussed.
From today! Let’s start discussing. Father/ Son / Holy Spirit...all 3 are one...Amen or not Amen?
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Just to be clear, I am Trinitarian.
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Bruce-Leiter
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Well, that decision was very helpful. It is now May, 2025. Thus, I didn't break any rule!Interesting to note that discussion, or even mention, of the Trinity was not allowed here again until December 2024.
THE Trinity can Now be discussed.
From today! Let’s start discussing. Father/ Son / Holy Spirit...all 3 are one...Amen or not Amen?
Just to be clear, I am Trinitarian.
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Bruce-Leiter
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That's true @Keiw, because Christians worship the one God; but the New Testament, especially the Gospel of John, reveals that same ONE God to also be three Persons, a Mystery to our limited reasoning.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
Joh 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.
Sister-n-Christ
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It's a closed hand topic isn't it?Interesting to note that discussion, or even mention, of the Trinity was not allowed here again until December 2024.
THE Trinity can Now be discussed.
From today! Let’s start discussing. Father/ Son / Holy Spirit...all 3 are one...Amen or not Amen?
Just to be clear, I am Trinitarian.
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I E you can discuss it but not really?
Keiw
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That would be impossible. Jesus is 100% clear at John 17:3= The one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD and one must know him as that and know Jesus to get eternal life.
At John 1:1 in Greek, the Word is called a different Greek word than the true God is called-God and god is why. The same 2 Greek words appear at 2 Cor 4:4= God and god.
Behold
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"God is A Spirit', and "Jesus is That Spirit".
So, God became a man, wrapped in Human Flesh, born of a Virgin, and offered this BODY, for the sin of the world.
Or as John 3:16 teaches....>>"For God so loved the WORLD".........which in this case is God offering Jesus as a living Sacrifice on The Cross.
It used to be forbidden; against the rules.
I was surprised at the posts on that topic. (link above)
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Sister-n-Christ
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No mystery. Just misreading of the text.
Baptize in the name of...
In the Old Testament we learn in two separate passages, God is a Spirit, and the only one. Besides him there is no Savior.
Therefore,what is the name of God?
This thread is yet another effort to convince individuals that they can hold any belief they desire as long as they act accordingly.
That notion is entirely misguided: a falsehood stands in stark contrast to the truth. If you choose to believe and propagate a lie, you are not aligned with the truth, regardless of your acceptance of this fact. This is why understanding the truth concerning all aspects of God is crucial—who He is, how He created humanity, the reasons behind our suffering, God's response to it, and our own responsibilities.
Jesus stated that those who are not with Him are against Him. If your hope is rooted in a misguided belief, simply believing it won’t make it true. You are living in deception (Matt. 7:21-23).
To be on the right side, it is essential to delve into the Bible and grasp the unadulterated truth. Maybe we could say it's not about who is right, and yet it is about who speaks truth.
That notion is entirely misguided: a falsehood stands in stark contrast to the truth. If you choose to believe and propagate a lie, you are not aligned with the truth, regardless of your acceptance of this fact. This is why understanding the truth concerning all aspects of God is crucial—who He is, how He created humanity, the reasons behind our suffering, God's response to it, and our own responsibilities.
Jesus stated that those who are not with Him are against Him. If your hope is rooted in a misguided belief, simply believing it won’t make it true. You are living in deception (Matt. 7:21-23).
To be on the right side, it is essential to delve into the Bible and grasp the unadulterated truth. Maybe we could say it's not about who is right, and yet it is about who speaks truth.
Who decides what truth is?
Again, who decides what truth is? Is one opinion superior to all others?
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Of course: Jesus' opinion is superior to any other one. Since he said he spoke what he was told by the Father, and we don't hear literally and directly the word of God, we must listen to Jesus and the Scriptures (the prophets, apostles and other inspired writers).
I just don't understand why you keep asking the same things. Don't you really know where to find the truth?
I just don't understand why you keep asking the same things. Don't you really know where to find the truth?
There's a topic.
In the Great Commission Jesus commanded us to make disciples baptizing them in
the name of the Father and the name of the Son and the name of the Holy Spirit.
But we only find, going forward in the New Testament, believers being baptized in the name of Jesus.
(as opposed to John's baptism of repentance.
Acts 19:1-3 NIV
While Apollos was at Corinth,
Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus.
There he found some disciples
2 and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when[a] you believed?”
They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
3 So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”
“John’s baptism,” they replied.
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Keiw
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As I understand it, God sent the Word (Logos, which was God and with God)
The Word (Logos) Jesus (the Word made flesh) therefore was God in the flesh.
John 1:1-2, 14 NIV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning. ...
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory,
the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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