SDAs, USA and the End times.

[David in NJ]

I know. heartbreaking. I love brakelight and he knows that. but his heels are fully dug in.

Most times there is doublespeak at least with JWs there is. They have the ability to believe 2 opposing views simultaneously. Sad part is they can't make the distinction. They will just lash out say you are a liar. It's hard to know what to do. When they look to their leaders words above scripture it is a real problem and that is precisely what they do.

See that @Brakelite

We LOVE you because JESUS loves you and we appreciate you - just not the 'Saturday or Bust' OT commandment = FULLFILLED in CHRIST

 

[David in NJ]

I did not know that sweet couple were Messianic Jews. That's so sad.
Ok. Glad they caught him although that does nothing for these families.
Nothing makes sense.

What round 2 of vaxes? with RFK? What are you speaking about?
that wont go well.

Never trust a politician(Biden/Trump).

RFK is doing Good = pray that he is not overcome behind closed doors and capitulates to Big Pharma globalist/satanists

The State of Washington and New York State have passed = Get Vaxxed or go to the Covid Camps(death centers)
Other states will follow if they have not already.

 

[PS95]

Sunday is NOT the sabbath rest of the Old Covenant nor the pre-flood 7th day of the week.

Saturday is the OT commanded day of rest that if a person disregards it, they shall be put to death.
The OT Saturday rest has a death penalty attached to it = observe or DIE

There is no such Saturday commandment in the New Covenant in Christ.
Likewise, there is no Sunday commandment in the New Covenant in Christ.

However, there is a Commandment of Rest in the New Covenant that includes the DEATH penalty should a person disregard God's Rest.

Do you or anyone on here know what day it is???

Everyday is the Sabbath now when we rest from our works. We rest in Him.
Hebrews 4

 

[David in NJ]

Everyday is the Sabbath now when we rest from our works. We rest in Him.
Hebrews 4

TODAY, if you hear His Voice.......we are in the 'TODAY' which is the Day of Salvation = God's REST = JESUS

@Brakelite if you are in Christ then your Rest is Complete in Him = Saturday can never do this for you.

 

[Brakelite]

Adventists do not believe the mark of the beast is a bar code, or a card or implant giving freedom to financial activity. This may absolutely happen, but it isn't the mark. It's the mark of the beast. The financial constraints to be placed upon those who refuse the mark are incentives. They aren't the mark itself. The mark which brings about the most dreaded judgement upon those who accept isn't a chip or tattoo or bar code. It is a spiritual acceptance of a practise or tradition that directly contravenes God's commandments and is itself idolatry. No-one has the mark yet. Not until all are adequately informed of the issues, and it becomes legislated and enforced.

Adventists, in agreement with all the reformers of past centuries going back to even a Pope in the 5th century I think, are adamant that the beast to which the mark belongs, is the papal power. The mark is a sign, a seal, of her authority in spiritual matters. It is a core doctrine of the Catholic church which she has in the past enforced upon those who finally were to accept the popes as having authority over them, and she will do so again, and are already ahead of the race because most non Catholic Christians have already acquiesced in favour of the unbiblical Sunday as opposed to God's 4th commandment. No-one joining in the ecumenical movement will in the end be permitted to observe any day other than Sunday. Since the Laodicea council of the 4th century or thereabouts, the Catholic hierarchy has opposed Sabbath keeping, and even in the council of Trent she used the protestant practise of Sunday keeping as a mural victory in her battle against the Protestant doctrine of Sola scriptura.
And no non Catholic today can in all good conscience claim Sola scriptura and at the same time defend Sunday observance and denigrate Sabbath keepers.

 

[David in NJ]

Adventists do not believe the mark of the beast is a bar code, or a card or implant giving freedom to financial activity. This may absolutely happen, but it isn't the mark. It's the mark of the beast. The financial constraints to be placed upon those who refuse the mark are incentives. They aren't the mark itself. The mark which brings about the most dreaded judgement upon those who accept isn't a chip or tattoo or bar code. It is a spiritual acceptance of a practise or tradition that directly contravenes God's commandments and is itself idolatry. No-one has the mark yet. Not until all are adequately informed of the issues, and it becomes legislated and enforced.

Adventists, in agreement with all the reformers of past centuries going back to even a Pope in the 5th century I think, are adamant that the beast to which the mark belongs, is the papal power. The mark is a sign, a seal, of her authority in spiritual matters. It is a core doctrine of the Catholic church which she has in the past enforced upon those who finally were to accept the popes as having authority over them, and she will do so again, and are already ahead of the race because most non Catholic Christians have already acquiesced in favour of the unbiblical Sunday as opposed to God's 4th commandment. No-one joining in the ecumenical movement will in the end be permitted to observe any day other than Sunday. Since the Laodicea council of the 4th century or thereabouts, the Catholic hierarchy has opposed Sabbath keeping, and even in the council of Trent she used the protestant practise of Sunday keeping as a mural victory in her battle against the Protestant doctrine of Sola scriptura.
And no non Catholic today can in all good conscience claim Sola scriptura and at the same time defend Sunday observance and denigrate Sabbath keepers.

Sunday is not the Mark and never will be the Mark because it is a day of the week which God created = just like Saturday.

The MoB will be physically applied to a person who accepts it.
The MoB is also spiritual but is no different then sin itself = in it's spiritual form.

When the actual MoB takes place it becomes much more then sin = for it becomes the UNFORGIVEABLE SIN

 

[quietthinker]

See that @Brakelite

We LOVE you because JESUS loves you and we appreciate you - just not the 'Saturday or Bust' OT commandment = FULLFILLED in CHRIST

ALL the 10C's were fulfilled in Jesus. Are you saying we now have permission to break them?....even one?

 

[PS95]

Never trust a politician(Biden/Trump).

Oh I don't. I have one eye on Trump. I am not happy with a few things already, but he was certainly the only choice for kids in school. I cant tell you how much they deviants were heavy on my heart when it comes to the little ones. I voted for them.

RFK is doing Good = pray that he is not overcome behind closed doors and capitulates to Big Pharma globalist/satanists

I will. I read his book about Fauci back when it came out. and yet, we see nothing happening. that would be bondi's territory but I dont see it happening with her.
Since RFK is not about removing shots and is for making sure we have facts- (true informed consent) I can sort of understand his methods. I don't agree necessarily but I understand his thinking. Thing is, I am not sure where to keep up with what he is saying or doing. His website used to be the place but not as far as I see lately. Do you know?

Washington and New York state has passed = Get Vaxxed or go to the Covid Camps(death centers)
Other states will follow if they have not already.

I have not heard this. You sure? this say NY has no 2025 mandates.

COVID Vaccine Mandates by State 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

 

[David in NJ]

ALL the 10C's were fulfilled in Jesus. Are you saying we now have permission to break them?....even one?

YES, we have permission from the LORD to break the OT Saturday sabbath commandment.

But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?
Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple. But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

In case you have forgotten, JESUS told us to "Keep My commandments"
Some of the OT commandments are eternal and therefore are part of JESUS commandments(He gave them to Moses).

 

[quietthinker]

Sunday is not the Mark and never will be the Mark because it is a day of the week which God created = just like Saturday.

The MoB will be physically applied to a person who accepts it.
The MoB is also spiritual but is no different then sin itself = in it's spiritual form.

When the actual MoB takes place it becomes much more then sin = for it becomes the UNFORGIVEABLE SIN

I think you join the dots poorly David, yet you do not ask, how do I join the dots poorly?.....and because you do not ask, no explanation is given.

Ask and it will be given is the principle in understanding matters pertaining to a spiritual nature.

Dishing up food to a man who is not hungry and is full only wastes the food....and why do that when others are hungry.

 

[David in NJ]

Oh I don't. I have one eye on Trump. I am not happy with a few things already, but he was certainly the only choice for kids in school. I cant tell you how much they deviants were heavy on my heart when it comes to the little ones. I voted for them.

I will. I read his book about Fauci back when it came out. and yet, we see nothing happening. that would be bondi's territory but I dont see it happening with her.
Since RFK is not about removing shots and is for making sure we have facts- (true informed consent) I can sort of understand his methods. I don't agree necessarily but I understand his thinking. Thing is, I am not sure where to keep up with what he is saying or doing. His website used to be the place but not as far as I see lately. Do you know?

I have not heard this. You sure? this say NY has no 2025 mandates.

COVID Vaccine Mandates by State 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

i also voted for Trump but not because i am a follower, just a lowly voter

Before they carry you away they MUST first create a National Health Emergency and then the 'Vaxx or Jail' Law becomes fully operative.

i have not been following RFK specifically,

 

[quietthinker]

YES, we have permission from the LORD to break the OT Saturday sabbath commandment.

Ohhh, so you really think we do.....while we are encouraged to keep the other nine?.....hmmmm, I don't find that logic persuasive. It sounds more like, let's not rock the boat of the majority view.

 

[David in NJ]

I think you join the dots poorly David, yet you do not ask, how do I join the dots poorly?.....and because you do not ask, no explanation is given.

Ask and it will be given is the principle in understanding matters pertaining to a spiritual nature.

Dishing up food to a man who is not hungry and is full only wastes the food....and why do that when others are hungry.

God will NEVER condemn a single soul for worshipping on Sunday.

God will condemn people for what they are worshipping on Saturday and Sunday or any other day.

Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.

 

[David in NJ]

Ohhh, so you really think we do.....while we are encouraged to keep the other nine?.....hmmmm, I don't find that logic persuasive. It sounds more like, let's not rock the boat of the majority view.

Umm - Have you not heard or read that the LORD JESUS CHRIST is our Sabbath REST???

 

[David in NJ]

ALL the 10C's were fulfilled in Jesus. Are you saying we now have permission to break them?....even one?

JESUS is the only man who could fulfill the 10C's

No one else ever did = "all have sinned and fallen short"

 

[quietthinker]

God will NEVER condemn a single soul for worshipping on Sunday.

God will condemn people for what they are worshipping on Saturday and Sunday or any other day.

Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.

Defiance and self justification have built in condemnation.
The text you have quoted (Rev. 9:20) pertain to ones own works (constructions) Substituting the 1st day for the 7th day is a construction of man and insisted on equates with the worship of demons

 

[PS95]

ALL the 10C's were fulfilled in Jesus. Are you saying we now have permission to break them?....even one?

Love is the command. Not the letter of the law,- Not the 10C. However, by love we won't break the 10C. Obviously you wont steal if you have love for others.. etc see that?
Sabbath is every day when we rest from our works. Read Hebrews 4.
Why don't so many people know this? Do you keep Saturday Sabbaths?
You are free to if you chose to but it is no longer a command to . We keep it daily in Christ. It wont save you to go to church on Saturday! Come on..
Now my encounters with you have never been meaningful in the past. I can only hope that you were serious in asking.

 

[David in NJ]

Ohhh, so you really think we do.....while we are encouraged to keep the other nine?.....hmmmm, I don't find that logic persuasive. It sounds more like, let's not rock the boat of the majority view.

AGREE = ALL 10C's fulfilled in Christ for they are in Christ.

And since i am in Christ, HE has me Covered.
This does not mean i seek to break His commandments = absolutely not!
Saturday is the 7th day of the week
JESUS is the 7th Day on which God Rested.

Only One is God pleased with and is REQUIRED for us to obey = TODAY, if you hear His Voice

 

[David in NJ]

Defiance and self justification have built in condemnation.
The text you have quoted (Rev. 9:20) pertain to ones own works (constructions) Substituting the 1st day for the 7th day is a construction of man and insisted on equates with the worship of demons

Scattering those dots around the scriptures is BAD BAD BAD

The info on Post #98 can save your soul.

 

[Josho]

Well, we should always take God's word at face value and then pray and do exhaustive research in the scriptures to SEE if there are
other corraborating scripture.

Rev 13:16 - And the second beast required all people, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.

This is straightforward and not at all ambiguous nor is it a parable.

Where else might this have been spoken of before in scripture???

Well a chip or a visible tattoo may be the most logical interpretation, you seem to be suggesting a chip implant, however it doesn't mean that it is, Revelation is a very spiritual supernatural book.

And there is a supernatural realm out there, just as the power of God exists, there is also a dark side, black magic does happen which of course we know is from the devil, consider Pharaoh's magicians and where they got their power from, they weren't just illusionists. So we cannot rule out that it could be a supernatural marking.

Another possibility is it could be an invisible mark, as not everyone wants a chip implanted under there skin....... This could be another non-supernatural interpretation, it could be an invisible mark, and that would fall into your scanner theory, think about something like an invisible QR code stamped on someone's hand or forehead, which cannot be seen by the human eye, but can be picked up my a special camera and it cannot be removed.

However QR Codes and Barcodes were not intended or originally created to bring in the mark of the beast, they are just product identifiers and with the QR code sometimes a website identifier.

Either way I don't think this mark on the hand or forehead will be so obvious.