SDAs, USA and the End times.

[ProDeo]

Hi Brakelight, to sum that up - is the zinger of the last sentence, that you believe the pope and state with cause us to only be allowed to worship/attend churches only on Sundays? Which would be to the exclusion of Jews, SDA's and 7th day Baptists?

I just don't see that happening. Most Americans don't listen to the pope or the government...
After we saw them close our churches in 2020 while leaving casinos and strip bars open- we have learned.

I believe that we are living in the tribulation as we have been since the apostles said it.

The great tribulation Jesus spoke of in Matt 24 is about the year 70 AD, already happened.

 

[ProDeo]

Whatever happens to this world, I believe it will be about Israel (God's covenant with them), as it always has been.

Unfulfilled prophecy :

Zach 14:2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Zach 14:3 Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle.

Zach 14:4 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward.

Zach 14:9 And the LORD will be king over all the earth. On that day the LORD will be one and his name one.

Jesus returns at the same place (Mount of Olives) as He ascended to heaven, see -

Acts 1:12 Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a Sabbath day's journey away.

What will happen if the US stops supporting Israel and maybe even turns against it, Israel is losing lots of goodwill in the world because of Gaza.

 

[Josho]

Do you think you are perhaps looking at the world as it appears today from your eye witness perspective, and then looking through scripture to find a prophetic parallel? How about we look at scripture first, understand the metaphors and symbolism, and their full implications in history, then we will view the world from a very different perspective.

Let me give you a couple of pointers. Throughout scripture, God's people were symbolised by a woman. If they were unfaithful, God considered them a harlot. If they were faithful, they were like a "comely and delicate" woman. Virtuous, faithful, loyal. In revelation we are shown both. The faithful woman in revelation 12, the harlot in revelation 17,18 etc. On the other hand, beasts are political entities. Governments, nations, empires. The horns that grow from them are the kings or style of government pertaining to that empire.

“3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. 7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. 18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. ”
Revelation 17:3-18 KJV

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The above depicts a woman riding a beast. While we can clearly identify Satan from the description of the beast, we must realise that his representative on earth is a government power. The union between church and state is clearly depicted.
That short chapter offers much detail regarding the nature, the character, and the history of that woman/church. Here's some of them...

• Arrayed in purple and scarlet. Cardinals and bishops prime dress.
• Ludicrously wealthy in property and assets, but cash strapped and in great debt.
• Golden cup of abominations. Idolatry.
• Mother church. Only church in world that calls herself mother.
• Persecuting church.
• Was originally a faithful church, but fell away into apostasy.
• Related to only one location...a city of 7 Hills and the great city that ruled over the kings of the earth when John wrote Revelation.
• Also, in relation to location, like the description at the beginning of Revelation 13, the beast rising up out of the sea, this one rules in the midst thereof... Peoples, nations, tongues, and tribes. This is in contrast to the second beast off Revelation 13, that comes up out of the land. A more sparcely occupied region compared to Europe of the 18th century... North America
• Finally, a blasphemous church. In the NT there are 2 principles that scripture identified as blasphemy...a man purporting to forgive sins, and a man claiming to be God. Coincidence that one of the current Leo's predecessors claimed to be occupying the place of God on earth?

It's not the only Church referred to as a mother church though, the Church of England is also referred to as a mother church.

And if you read the description of the Harlot in Revelation, why not China? As China ticks an awful lot of boxes.

The woman sits on a Scarlet beast
- China does sometimes get referred to as the Red Dragon

- Full of names of blasphemy - The Chinese CCP government tries to identify themselves as higher than God. (There have been cases where crosses have been removed from churches and replaced with Xi Jinpings image) the Communist CCP government is basically China's state religion in today's age.

- Drunken on the blood of Saints and martyrs - What does the Chinese authorities do? They persecute Christians, bash them, jail them, burn their houses down.

And the Chinese government demands surveillance of all Christian Churches and they be registered with the CCP and do have quite a bit of control on what and what not can be done in those government registered churches.

China like the USA are also a massively influential nation, and when you think about it, they control a massive portion of the global economy.

 

[Josho]

I find this claim hard to justify from scripture.

It was however, preached that the "beasts" are political entities, governments, nations and empires by the Reformation Fathers so that they could justify a break away movement from the RCC.

Dan 7:2 is very telling as to the identification of the entities who are the "real" beasts of Daniel 7.

Dan 7:2: - Daniel spoke, saying, "I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven[1] were stirring up the Great Sea.​

Then in Dan 8:8 we see that the four horns, after Alexandra the Great, came up towards the four winds of heaven: -

Dan 8:8: - Therefore the male goat grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven.​

In both chapters, the four winds of heaven are spiritual entities who have the ability to influence the behaviour political entities, governments, nations and empires.

Now the fifth beast is the little horn which had influence over the horns of the fourth beast as recorded in Daniel 7:8: -

Daniel 7:7-8: - 7 "After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.​

And as we continue in Daniel 8 we then read this: -

Dan8:9-14: - 9 And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious {Land}. 10 And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground and trampled them. 11 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down. 12 Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.​

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13 Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, "How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?"​

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14 And he said to me, "For two thousand three hundred days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed."​

Considering verse 14, and applying the year for a day rule which has been applied to Daniel's prophetic words, the 2,300 days is actually 2,300 years.

Also, in Rev 13:11 we are told that the Little Horn/False Prophet is a beast as well.

Now the Little Horn is able to enter into the heavenlies, which no man, except Enoch has ever done, which means that the Little Horn is a spiritual entity, just like the four winds of heaven and is also a heavenly host/fallen angel, because the Little Horn cast out some of the hosts of heaven down to the ground and trampled them.

Now if the Little Horn is a heavenly host then the four winds of heaven are also heavenly hosts and are fallen Angels.

Now in Daniel 7:3 we are told that the four winds of heaven stirred up the sea of humanity such that the described beasts rise up out of the sea of humanity as a manifestation of the four respective winds of heaven/beasts.

Now after the time of the death of Alexandra the Great, probably around 260 BC until the end of this present age, the Little Horn has been given the means and various armies, during different time periods, to trample God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts, i.e. Israel.

Sadly, as humans, we rarely are able to see the fallen angels operating, as they are hidden behind the manifestation of the respective beasts, i.e., people groups, nations and empires, who are doing the respective beasts bidding.

While ever we believe, the successful lie of Satan, that the beasts are of human entities and form, we will have difficulty in understanding the unfolding of the End Times.

Shalom

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[1] The “four winds of heaven” are best understood to be four wicked fallen heavenly host that have gained an influence over the earth, in that, their dominate characteristic are manifested within the sea of humanity and these manifestations are described as beasts. The “four winds of heaven” are mentioned in Daniel 7:2, 8:8 and 11:4, and Zechariah 6:5.

Hmmm, not sure about the timing, but you're are suggesting the beasts are not human entities and are spirits, and you could very well be right, if you have ever noticed, so many of us cannot come into agreement of who are the beasts, and there are so many differing interpretations of the book of Revelation.

 

[Josho]

Today's protestants are not the same from just 60 years ago.

Roman Catholicism along with the 'falling away' from Truth has infiltrated the churches.

Christianity in the USA is ripe for deception as even now many have been deluded into embracing ecumenicalism.

For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her,

Hmmmm, to be fair 60 years ago they weren't perfect either, it was only just 60 years ago there was widespread racial discrimination, segregation and violence.

Unfortunately that sort of thing is on the rise again...

Now protestants and Catholics aside.

History has gone in cycles ever since Adam fell. Morality is going backwards in the Western world, however it has been there before.

I would consider we are better of now than they were in the medieval ages, what you heard of with ISIS, well that was the widespread reality back during that time, people were getting their heads chopped in a lot of places, hey this was even a reality in Jesus's time, John the Baptist got his head chopped.

And then it wasn't all that long ago they were massacring the native people of your land and my land. We also have to consider the world has not had a World War since the 1940s.

And further back the days of Noah were really bad before the flood, Noah's family were literally the only ones good in the sight of the Lord, Sodom and Gommorah was worse than it is today, you had a whole city of homosexuals trying to rape Lot...

Compared to those examples I would say we are currently living in better times. There aren't heads flying off everywhere, we aren't having to shelter from armies in most of our parts of the world. In WWII the UK was living in constant fear of getting bombed by the Nazis, we don't have that at the moment in countries like the USA, Canada, England, Australia, New Zealand, France, Spain, etc.

 

[Jay Ross]

Hmmm, not sure about the timing, but you are suggesting the beasts are not human entities and are spirits, and you could very well be right, if you have ever noticed, so many of us cannot come into agreement of who are the beasts, and there are so many differing interpretations of the book of Revelation.

You are certainly right there. Many believed that the end of the sixth age was 1996 AD, but that is nearly 30 years ago, and it did not happen then and that means that their timing was off by more than a country mile.

Now Matt 24:31 tells us that between when the Fig tree began to bud and the start of the seventh age/the summer season that there would be just over 91 years between these two events. Since, some of Abraham's descendants returned to the Land of Canaan in the fourth age of their existence and that this occurred in 1948, then utilising the Matthew 24:31 prophetic word, the summer season would begin after 2039 plus a number of years to account for the early spring. Now I am suggesting that spring came five days early such that there was 96 days between when the fig tree budded and the beginning of the seventh age such that the end of the sixth age would occur in the year 2044 AD and the seventh age would begin the following year.

Now, there will be a timing error of plus or minus a year or two, but if we can guess when the end of the age will be within ± 0.2% then that is as accurate as any prediction that has been made so far.

Now I can determine when the final judgement will take place just from the Old Testament, and the timeline generated in this calculation is in fairly good agreement with what I have calculated.

Now if you have not done any calculations yourself to satisfy your own curiosity, then disagreeing with someone who has actually done some calculations is a little rash.

 

[Brakelite]

Any suspects for the "ten horns"?

Interesting question. One must not confuse these ten horns with the ten horns of Daniel 7. The horns of Daniel 7 arose out of pagan Rome, 7 of which were the forebears of modern Europe. 3 of them we destroyed at the request of Bishop of Rome because they had set themselves as enemies and so called apostates to further expansion to Catholicism.
These horns however...“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. ”
Revelation 13:1 KJV
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Have crowns, unlike the these horns...
“7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. 8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. ”
Daniel 7:7-8 KJV

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So the horns to come have single rulers...kings...hence crowns, the Daniel horns had a succession of rulers even to this day. Some kings, others presidents or prime ministers. Also, the seven heads from which the horns grow upon the sea beast represent different epochs in time and are powers on a grand scale. Empires. Up to the time of the early Christian era, those heads/powers were literal local powers, (Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece and Rome) and all 4 were enemies to the literal local nation of Israel. In the NT era they were global spiritual powers/ ideologies. The papacy, atheism, and apostate Protestantism. All enemies to spiritual Israel, the church. The papacy suffered an apparent mortal wound in 1798, but revived. Thus the papacy is the eighth, but is of the 7 in a later chapter. The ten horns are global in nature in the last days in harmony with the idea of a global government. Perhaps the world is divided into ten regions, each one having a ruler at its head, which for a short time give total power to Rome, the beast, but turn on her when they discover they have been deceived. That's still future. So while I base my interpretation somewhat on history (which repeats), it is still conjecture. I'm not a prophet.

 

[Brakelite]

The great tribulation Jesus spoke of in Matt 24 is about the year 70 AD, already happened.

There are 2 tribulations. The longest was horrific, a war against all those who refused papal authority. The victims number in the millions. Lasted for over 1000 years. Anyone denying that was a tribulation need to remember to ask the martyrs who suffered and died at the hands of the kings and queens of Europe under pressure from the papal tyranny.
There is to be a future tribulation, shorter but far more intense.
“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. ”
Revelation 12:17 KJV

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[Brakelite]

Whatever happens to this world, I believe it will be about Israel (God's covenant with them), as it always has been.

Jesuit propaganda as part of the counter reformation.

 

[Brakelite]

Here's some others...Rubio & JD Vance

Mr Trump and his wife Melania

The black and white dress is consistent with every visit. Who's the boss in other words.

 

[Brakelite]

I would agree to disagree, it's their old territory, it no longer belongs to Rome.

I wouldn't count on that. King John several hundred years ago signed Britain into papal ownership. I am no longer familiar with the details, but Rome has not forgotten. They still call it Mary's dowry.

 

[Brakelite]

I find this claim hard to justify from scripture.

It was however, preached that the "beasts" are political entities, governments, nations and empires by the Reformation Fathers so that they could justify a break away movement from the RCC.

Dan 7:2 is very telling as to the identification of the entities who are the "real" beasts of Daniel 7.

Dan 7:2: - Daniel spoke, saying, "I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven[1] were stirring up the Great Sea.​

Then in Dan 8:8 we see that the four horns, after Alexandra the Great, came up towards the four winds of heaven: -

Dan 8:8: - Therefore the male goat grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven.​

In both chapters, the four winds of heaven are spiritual entities who have the ability to influence the behaviour political entities, governments, nations and empires.

Now the fifth beast is the little horn which had influence over the horns of the fourth beast as recorded in Daniel 7:8: -

Daniel 7:7-8: - 7 "After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.​

And as we continue in Daniel 8 we then read this: -

Dan8:9-14: - 9 And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious {Land}. 10 And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground and trampled them. 11 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down. 12 Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.​

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13 Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, "How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?"​

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14 And he said to me, "For two thousand three hundred days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed."​

Considering verse 14, and applying the year for a day rule which has been applied to Daniel's prophetic words, the 2,300 days is actually 2,300 years.

Also, in Rev 13:11 we are told that the Little Horn/False Prophet is a beast as well.

Now the Little Horn is able to enter into the heavenlies, which no man, except Enoch has ever done, which means that the Little Horn is a spiritual entity, just like the four winds of heaven and is also a heavenly host/fallen angel, because the Little Horn cast out some of the hosts of heaven down to the ground and trampled them.

Now if the Little Horn is a heavenly host then the four winds of heaven are also heavenly hosts and are fallen Angels.

Now in Daniel 7:3 we are told that the four winds of heaven stirred up the sea of humanity such that the described beasts rise up out of the sea of humanity as a manifestation of the four respective winds of heaven/beasts.

Now after the time of the death of Alexandra the Great, probably around 260 BC until the end of this present age, the Little Horn has been given the means and various armies, during different time periods, to trample God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts, i.e. Israel.

Sadly, as humans, we rarely are able to see the fallen angels operating, as they are hidden behind the manifestation of the respective beasts, i.e., people groups, nations and empires, who are doing the respective beasts bidding.

While ever we believe, the successful lie of Satan, that the beasts are of human entities and form, we will have difficulty in understanding the unfolding of the End Times.

Shalom

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[1] The “four winds of heaven” are best understood to be four wicked fallen heavenly host that have gained an influence over the earth, in that, their dominate characteristic are manifested within the sea of humanity and these manifestations are described as beasts. The “four winds of heaven” are mentioned in Daniel 7:2, 8:8 and 11:4, and Zechariah 6:5.

Spiritualizing everything as you do blinds you to political and religious realities that affect the church. One example. The Dragon stood before the woman to devour the child as soon as it was born. (Revelation 12). The Dragon according to that same chapter primarily represents Satan. But Satan didn't personally attempt to kill Jesus. He used agents. And the one agent he used when Christ was born was Herod, who was representing the Roman power. That Dragon has identifiers that are consistent throughout scripture. Those identifiers point directly to governmental powers as being the tools of the enemy. Even the apostate church which opposed God people throughout they dark ages, was a union of church and state, and itself a horn that grew from the Dragon like beast of Daniel 7. In Daniel 8, the horn that obviously represented pagan Rome, developed into papal Rome as history attests. The angel himself identified to Daniel the identity of the first 3 beasts. Babylon, Meda-Persia, Greece. The 4th can only be Rome. You have been grossly misled and are misleading others.

 

[Brakelite]

Hmmm, not sure about the timing, but you're are suggesting the beasts are not human entities and are spirits, and you could very well be right, if you have ever noticed, so many of us cannot come into agreement of who are the beasts, and there are so many differing interpretations of the book of Revelation.

The first beast of revelation 13 coming out of the sea is so obviously the papacy it defies common sense to think it could be any other. It is a composite of the previous 4 beasts before it's rise to power toward the end of the Roman Empire in Europe in the 6 th century.

 

[Brakelite]

Hmmmm, to be fair 60 years ago they weren't perfect either, it was only just 60 years ago there was widespread racial discrimination, segregation and violence.

Unfortunately that sort of thing is on the rise again...

Now protestants and Catholics aside.

History has gone in cycles ever since Adam fell. Morality is going backwards in the Western world, however it has been there before.

I would consider we are better of now than they were in the medieval ages, what you heard of with ISIS, well that was the widespread reality back during that time, people were getting their heads chopped in a lot of places, hey this was even a reality in Jesus's time, John the Baptist got his head chopped.

And then it wasn't all that long ago they were massacring the native people of your land and my land. We also have to consider the world has not had a World War since the 1940s.

And further back the days of Noah were really bad before the flood, Noah's family were literally the only ones good in the sight of the Lord, Sodom and Gommorah was worse than it is today, you had a whole city of homosexuals trying to rape Lot...

Compared to those examples I would say we are currently living in better times. There aren't heads flying off everywhere, we aren't having to shelter from armies in most of our parts of the world. In WWII the UK was living in constant fear of getting bombed by the Nazis, we don't have that at the moment in countries like the USA, Canada, England, Australia, New Zealand, France, Spain, etc.

Maybe so, but you are considering only one or 2 sins. Violence. What of idolatry? What of adultery? What of covetousness? What of disrespect toward parents? What of...

 

[Brakelite]

Then in Dan 8:8 we see that the four horns, after Alexandra the Great, came up towards the four winds of heaven: -

You are completely denying history. The 4 horns that grew from the leopard after the first one was broken, were also kings. Why changed the trajectory and symbolism half way through the prophecy? After a series of battles after Alexander's demise, and having no heir, the Empire was divided into 4.
The Antigonids (Macedonia) The Ptolomies (Egypt) The Seleucids (Greece) The Attalids (Pergamum)

 

[Brakelite]

It's not the only Church referred to as a mother church though, the Church of England is also referred to as a mother church.

The church of England does not have harlot daughters. Rome does. Protestant churches are now going back to mother.

And if you read the description of the Harlot in Revelation, why not China? As China ticks an awful lot of boxes.

China is not an unfaithful church. The harlot is. The harlot in Hosea that he was to marry was a metaphor for Israel. God's people. The same metaphor works in the NT as well.
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The woman sits on a Scarlet beast
- China does sometimes get referred to as the Red Dragon

The church sits in the state in China? Further down you suggest the opposite.

Full of names of blasphemy - The Chinese CCP government tries to identify themselves as higher than God. (There have been cases where crosses have been removed from churches and replaced with Xi Jinpings image) the Communist CCP government is basically China's state religion in today's age.

Yet China has the largest population of protestants in the world. And the Bible declares what is blasphemy. It's forgiving sin. As well as other things.

Drunken on the blood of Saints and martyrs - What does the Chinese authorities do? They persecute Christians, bash them, jail them, burn their houses down.

Only since last century. The Catholic church persecuted believers for over 1000 years beginning in the 4 th century with that controversy over the Godhead.

And the Chinese government demands surveillance of all Christian Churches and they be registered with the CCP and do have quite a bit of control on what and what not can be done in those government registered churches.

You should investigate the 400 years of Jesuit intrigue, spying, and assassinations of political and religious enemies.

China like the USA are also a massively influential nation, and when you think about it, they control a massive portion of the global economy.

China though didn't grow up into a nation as the papacy was dying as a union of church and state. Only the US answers to that prophecy.

 

[Josho]

You are certainly right there. Many believed that the end of the sixth age was 1996 AD, but that is nearly 30 years ago, and it did not happen then and that means that their timing was off by more than a country mile.

Now Matt 24:31 tells us that between when the Fig tree began to bud and the start of the seventh age/the summer season that there would be just over 91 years between these two events. Since, some of Abraham's descendants returned to the Land of Canaan in the fourth age of their existence and that this occurred in 1948, then utilising the Matthew 24:31 prophetic word, the summer season would begin after 2039 plus a number of years to account for the early spring. Now I am suggesting that spring came five days early such that there was 96 days between when the fig tree budded and the beginning of the seventh age such that the end of the sixth age would occur in the year 2044 AD and the seventh age would begin the following year.

Now, there will be a timing error of plus or minus a year or two, but if we can guess when the end of the age will be within ± 0.2% then that is as accurate as any prediction that has been made so far.

Now I can determine when the final judgement will take place just from the Old Testament, and the timeline generated in this calculation is in fairly good agreement with what I have calculated.

Now if you have not done any calculations yourself to satisfy your own curiosity, then disagreeing with someone who has actually done some calculations is a little rash.

I think we have had this discussion years ago, my position has not changed on that.
And remains that no one knows when, no one can calculate when Jesus is coming back. Backed by Matthew 24:36 onwards.

For Post-tribbers, if we are in the tribulation now, no one know when exactly it started, otherwise they would have been able to predict the 2nd coming.

 

[ProDeo]

Jesuit propaganda as part of the counter reformation.

Is it not true what I said?

 

[Rockerduck]

I think we have had this discussion years ago, my position has not changed on that.
And remains that no one knows when, no one can calculate when Jesus is coming back. Backed by Matthew 24:36 onwards.

For Post-tribbers, if we are in the tribulation now, no one know when exactly it started, otherwise they would have been able to predict the 2nd coming.

In 2001 when the world trade centers were hit. Peace was removed from the world. I saw it first hand.

 

[Jay Ross]

In 1991 when the world trade centers were hit. Peace was removed from the world. I saw it first hand.

You are ten years too early. The world trade centres were levelled in 2001-09-11 or are you talking about another event in 1991 that I have no recollection/remembrance of.