David in NJ
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Did you see from Romans and Galatians that there are two Israels and two Jerusalems?
THE GOSPELS ARE NOT NEW TESTAMENT
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You are saying that Christ is the true Israel and you in him also are the true Israel. I am saying these verses below are for the true Israel:
If you are Israel you are waiting for forgiveness of sins..........................[Rom 11:27 KJV] 27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins..............................[Act 3:19 KJV] 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;.............................[Jer 31:34 KJV] 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Look again at this verse................[Act 3:19 KJV] 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;......................to be converted means to be saved, which means those saved are true Israel of God.........it is their sins that won't be blotted out until Christ comes
Israel as a nation will not have their sins blotted out til the return of Christ and you are saying you are that nation so yours sins arent blotted out yet
David in NJ
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The "TRUE" Israel = is NOT according to the FLESH
Please read and pray Romans chapter 9 , Galatians and Gospel of John chapter 1
Cannot talk now - be back later in the day.
Shalom
[Exo 19:6 KJV] 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
The nation of Israel above is not unbelieving Isarael in the flesh........this is the nation I was referring to whose sins will be blotted out at the return of Christ (Acts 3:19)
[Mat 21:43 KJV] 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
You applied this verse to yourself as being the true Israel.......you call yourself a holy nation so your sins have not been blotted out yet
Here are some verses to show the concept of corporate sins
[Isa 58:1 KJV] 1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
[Dan 9:24 KJV] 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
[Mat 1:21 KJV] 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
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rebuilder 454
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Jesus was crucified for breaking their law.
So yes, as Jesus said, the law ENDED WITH JOHN.
You are taking the hyperpauline doctrine talking points as taught in their books and presenting it as truth.
Anyone with a Bible can see you are demoting everything but Paul, and those hyperpauline teachers will make their followers into fools.
Still yet a future event, as will happen at time of the Second Coming, but right now the church is spiritual Israel, and saved Jews and Gentiles under the New Covenant are in it
David in NJ
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Good Afternoon my Brother @Doug,
Exo 19:6 KJV 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.
This Nation spoken of in Exodus 19:6 is here now = brought to LIFE thru Elohim = both on earth and in Heaven
God's Spiritual Nation On Earth = 1 Peter 1:4-10
Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,
“Behold, I lay in Zion
A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”
7Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who [are disobedient,
“The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone,”
8and
“A stone of stumbling
And a rock of offense.”
They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.
9But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.
God' Spiritual Nation in Heaven = Ephesians 2:4-10
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses,
made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
I am not smart enough to follow all this and where you are coming from.....sorry
David in NJ
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You understand Hebrews chapter 9 where JESUS took His Blood into Heaven - yes!
Whenever we lack understanding we Pray = "Seek and you will find, ask(pray) and you will receive."
No one is smart enough before God - therefore we humble ourselves before Him and run to Him for HE is our Heavenly Father.
"Therefore if you, being evil, know to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the Father who is in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those asking Him!" - Luke 11:13
[Exo 19:4-6 KJV] 4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and [how] I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself. 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exodus 19 above was spoken to Israel
Israel was given the covenant they had to keep in order to become priests and a holy nation
If you are Israel do you keep the whole law of the covenant found in Exodus 20-23 at least? not just the moral law but the whole law must be obeyed for you to be a priest or holy nation
Israel was promised the land not heaven........where do you get saying it also includes heaven?
[1Pe 2:5 KJV] 5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
You have misinterpreted this passage..........it says a spiritual house.......spiritual sacrifices........it does NOT say a spiritual holy priesthood; you are mistakenly adding spiritual to it as well
A holy priesthood pertains to a physical priesthood on earth promised to the believing remnant of Israel NOT you
[Eph 2:6 KJV] 6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:
This verse says nothing of being a spiritual nation you are making it say what it does not
David in NJ
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When God sends His Spirit into a person so that they are Born-Again = they immediately become a "spiritual being"
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
David in NJ
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All that are in Christ are a member of His Spiritual Body
You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you.
And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. - Romans 8:9
But you are saying we are a nation........the body of Christ is not a nation.......show me a verse that says we are a nation in Paul;s epistles
David in NJ
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The LORD Jesus Christ and the Apostles Peter & Paul declare that the Blood Washed Saints(Born-Again) are the spiritual nation.
The Apostle John also declares this = Revelation 1:4-6
Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.
To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
These verses are not from Paul........only Paul writes of the body of Christ......Paul never calls us a nation
Still no response to my posts #251 #252 ???????????????/
David in NJ
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The Lord Jesus Christ declares we are "a nation"
The Apostle Peter does also
Same with the Apostle John
Paul absolutely writes to us that we are "the People of God" aka 'nation' = Romans chapter 9
But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
As He says also in Hosea:
“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26“And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”
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