Judas Went to His Own Place – A Biblical Verdict of Eternal Judgment

[NotTheRock]

• Proverbs 12:1-25
  "To learn the truth you must long to be teachable, or you can despise correction and remain ignorant".
  
  
  
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• Mark 4:25
  "For whoever has a teachable heart, to him more understanding will be given; and whoever does not have a yearning for truth, even what he has will be taken away from him".

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

We can be certain of one thing about hell, those who go there don't get let out for breaks.
Never seen hell myself. Read plenty of stories and who knows how genuine they were.
Hell is a place where the wicked receive bad things.

Abraham's bosom story describes it a little.
Everyone who goes to hell is worthy of being there.
Luke 16, notice Jesus describes the contrast between them.
That rich man in hell knew who Lazarus was! Likely saw him daily and did nothing to help him.

The Rich Man and Lazarus​

19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and [h]fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with [i]the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’

27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”

No one is yet in heaven or hell.

 

[Scott Downey]

No one is yet in heaven or hell.

You know when we die, we go to be with Christ where He is.
Where do you think people go?

Philippians 1

21 For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I [d]cannot tell. 23 [e]For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. 24 Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you. 25 And being confident of this, I know that I shall remain and continue with you all for your progress and joy of faith, 26 that your rejoicing for me may be more abundant in Jesus Christ by my coming to you again.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Jesus is the source. Maria Valtorta was His "pen".



Again, Jesus is the source. Maria Valtorta was His "pen".

Again, possession is the contagion of Satan who inoculates the human being with his juices and perverts its nature. It is the marriage of a spirit with Satan and animality. But possession is still a trifle as compared with incarnation. Judas made choices that allowed Satan to possess him, to the point where Satan eventually became incarnated in him for the sole purpose of betraying and seeking to have Jesus killed.

Again, remorse could have also saved Judas, if he had turned remorse into repentance. But he would not repent and, to the first crime of betrayal, still compatible because of the great mercy that is Jesus loving weakness, he added blasphemy, resistance to the voices of Grace, that still wanted to speak to him through recollections, through terrors, through Jesus's Blood and His mantle, through His glances, through the traces of the institution of the Eucharist, through the words of His Mother. He resisted everything. He wanted to resist. As he had wanted to betray. As he wanted to curse. As he wanted to commit suicide.

It is one's will that matters in things. Both in good and in evil. When one falls without the will to follow, Jesus forgives.

Again, the reason Jesus didn't cure Judas when he was possessed, but not yet annihilated in Satan (incarnation of Satan in Judas), is because when a man is ill he seeks cure by himself, unless it is a child or a fool who are devoid of willpower. So, why did Jesus not treat Judas as a fool and see to it, without his being aware of it? Because it wouldn't have been just since Judas could still use his willpower. Judas knew what is good and what is evil for him. And Jesus's curing him would've been of no avail without Judas's will to remain cured. So, why didn't Jesus give Judas such a will? Should Jesus have imposed a good will on him? And his free will? What would it have become? What would his ego of a man, of a free creature be? Dominated?

Satan approached Judas, tempting him, testing him, and he received him. There is no possession if at the beginning there is no assent to some satanic temptation. The snake introduces his head between the bars closely placed to defend hearts, but he would not be able to enter if man did not widen a passage to admire his alluring aspect and listen to and follow him... Only then man becomes dominated, possessed, because he wants it. God also darts the very kind lights of His paternal love from the heavens, and His lights penetrate us. Or rather: God, to Whom everything is possible, descends into the hearts of men. It is His right. Since man knows how to become a slave dominated by the Dreadful one, why does he not know how to become a servant of God, nay a son of God, and he drives away his Most Holy Father? Judas wanted Satan and preferred him to God.

And, Jesus showed Maria Valtorta scenes many scenes from His life on earth through visions, including the Last Supper. Maria described what she saw and heard take place. Below is an excerpt:



Prior to this scene, Jesus and Judas had a conversation where Jesus made it known to him that He knew he was going to betray Him. So, at the last Supper, Judas already knew that Jesus knew what he was going to do, but Jesus knew before Judas even did because He's omniscient. So, Jesus letting Judas know when it's time for him, or Satan, to go do what they both knew he was going to do, doesn't mean that Judas never had free will. Jesus having foreknowledge of Judas's actions doesn't mean that Judas didn't make the choices Jesus foresaw him making. All throughout Scripture Jesus speaks about choosing either good or evil. Therefore, no one can reasonably say that humans don't have free will.

Jesus doesn't use Mystics.
Maria also said that in the hierarchy of the church Mary is second and St.Peter is third.

 

[bdavidc]

• Proverbs 12:1-25
  "To learn the truth you must long to be teachable, or you can despise correction and remain ignorant".
  
  • 
    
    
    
• Mark 4:25
  "For whoever has a teachable heart, to him more understanding will be given; and whoever does not have a yearning for truth, even what he has will be taken away from him".

You're quoting verses about being teachable, but you're not applying them to yourself. Being teachable means submitting to what the Bible actually says, not perverting the Word of God to fit your own opinion. What you're doing is not biblical correction, it's rewriting truth to protect your viewpoint. That’s not a yearning for truth, that’s rebellion against it.

Jesus spoke plainly about hell. He called it a place of unquenchable fire where the worm does not die (Mark 9:43–48), outer darkness with weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 8:12), and said the punishment is everlasting, the same Greek word (aionios) used for eternal life (Matthew 25:46). You can’t claim to be teachable while denying what Jesus clearly said.

Perverting the Word of God doesn’t lead to understanding, it leads to judgment. If you truly want a teachable heart, start by believing the Bible as it is written, not as you wish it said.

 

[bdavidc]

Amazing.

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Amazing! That is correct. If you can’t see what the Bible says in plain English about hell being eternal, it’s not because the verses aren’t clear; it’s because you don’t want to accept them. God’s Word says it over and over:

• Matthew 25:46 – “These shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal.”
• Revelation 14:11 – “The smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever.”
• Mark 9:43–48 – “Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”
• 2 Thessalonians 1:9 – “Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord.”

You don’t need a new translation, you need a new heart that’s willing to believe what God has already said.

 

[NotTheRock]

You're quoting verses about being teachable, but you're not applying them to yourself. Being teachable means submitting to what the Bible actually says, not perverting the Word of God to fit your own opinion. What you're doing is not biblical correction, it's rewriting truth to protect your viewpoint. That’s not a yearning for truth, that’s rebellion against it.

Jesus spoke plainly about hell. He called it a place of unquenchable fire where the worm does not die (Mark 9:43–48), outer darkness with weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 8:12), and said the punishment is everlasting, the same Greek word (aionios) used for eternal life (Matthew 25:46). You can’t claim to be teachable while denying what Jesus clearly said.

Perverting the Word of God doesn’t lead to understanding, it leads to judgment. If you truly want a teachable heart, start by believing the Bible as it is written, not as you wish it said.

You have a monolithic misunderstanding of God and of scripture and you are arrogant and while you wish to persuade others, you yourself are unwilling to be persuaded. Rather than considering other perspectives you viciously and personally attack the person sharing the perspective.

 

[NotTheRock]

You're quoting verses about being teachable, but you're not applying them to yourself.

Your arrogance blinds you. You are too pompous to consider the possibility that your understanding isn't infallible.

 

[bdavidc]

You have a monolithic misunderstanding of God and of scripture and you are arrogant and while you wish to persuade others, you yourself are unwilling to be persuaded. Rather than considering other perspectives you viciously and personally attack the person sharing the perspective.

You’ve got it backward. I’m not the one launching personal attacks, you are. I’ve been standing on what the Bible says, quoting Scripture directly, while you’ve been throwing insults, accusing me of arrogance, and trying to shame me for not agreeing with your views.

I did not attack you. You started this by asking, “Do you believe in forever punishment?” because you knew my answer would be straight from the Bible, and you just wanted to provoke an argument. So point the finger back at yourself.

Yes, I’m unwilling to be persuaded by ideas that go against God’s Word. That’s not arrogance, that’s obedience. God doesn’t ask us to entertain every perspective, He commands us to believe the truth. When someone starts perverting the Word of God, I will call it out. That’s not personal, that’s biblical.

I’m not here to argue for sport. If you want a real conversation, open your Bible and actually read it.

 

[bdavidc]

Your arrogance blinds you. You are too pompous to consider the possibility that your understanding isn't infallible.

This isn’t about me thinking I’m infallible. I’m not. But God’s Word is, and that’s what I’m standing on. If you think that’s arrogance, then your problem is not with me, it’s with the authority of Scripture.

What’s really blinding is pride that refuses to accept clear verses because they don’t fit a personal belief. I didn’t write the Bible, I just believe it. You can call that pompous if you want, but at the end of the day, truth doesn’t change just because someone’s offended by it.

If you want to keep throwing personal insults instead of dealing with the text, then we’re done here. Open a Bible, not another attack.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

You know that God has spoken through humans since the beginning: Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi, Elijah, and Elisha. The terms "mystic" and/or "visionary" is applied to such people because of the kind of interaction they had with God. Then, God became human and spoke to us in the flesh. After leaving the Earth and returning to Heaven, He has continued to speak through humans. And I, and I assume you, haven't had experiences with God like those people have (one day you and/or I might), and thus we aren't considered mystics and visionaries at this time. But Maria Valtorta was because she received visions and took dictation from Jesus and other heavenly persons, and wrote down all that she heard and saw.



Jesus showed Maria Valtorta scenes from His life on earth through visions, and she wrote all that she saw and heard taking place. Below is an excerpt from the scene that you're referring to where Jesus is speaking to His Mother:

"During the time that You will remain on the Earth, and You are second to Peter with regard to ecclesiastical hierarchy, he being the Head and You a believer, but first as Mother of the Church having given birth to Me, Who am the Head of this Mystical Body, do not resist the many Judases, but assist and teach Peter, My brothers (His cousins), John, James, Simon, Philip, Bartholomew, Andrew, Thomas and Matthew not to reject, but to assist. Defend Me in My followers, and defend Me from those who want to disperse and dismember the dawning Church. And in future centuries, Mother, always be She Who pleads for and protects, defends and helps My Church, My priests, My believers, from evil and punishment, from themselves [...]" (PV4)

As you can see, with regard to the ecclesiastical hierarchy in the Church, Jesus didn't say that Peter was third, but rather first being the Head, and that Mary was second as a believer.

Jesus said the hierarchy of the church....
Oh,you mean Maria got it wrong?

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

No, you got it wrong. You said, "Maria also said that in the hierarchy of the church Mary is second and St. Peter is third." Again, Maria Valtorta didn't write that Peter was third because Jesus didn't say that He was. She wrote what she saw and heard Jesus say, which is that Peter was first because he's Head of the Church. So, I don't know how or where you got that he was third.

Her writings.

Her fourth book was condemned by the RCC. And she is not recognized by the church as credible.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Again, in Maria Valtorta's writings, she didn't write that Jesus said Peter was third, but rather that He said Peter was first, regarding ecclesiastical hierarchy in the Church. So, you're wrong.



Wrong again. The first edition of The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I-V, was placed on the Index because it lacked an imprimatur, but it shouldn't have been placed on it in the first place, because it had received verbal approval to be published by Pope Pius XII. But a lot has happened since 1959, and subsequent editions, and her other writings, have received imprimaturs, and have been published in multiple languages, all over the world.



Wrong again. In February 2025, the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith put out a statement giving their opinion about Maria Valtorta's writings, and they've been wrong before. You should read the following article: Response to the Vatican's 2025 Press Release on Maria Valtorta. You should also read A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work, especially the chapters on proofs in support of her writings having a supernatural origin.

Yeah,you should do more research.

 

[Davy]

How many actually know what the word 'perdition' means? It is about perishing in the future "lake of fire" after God's Great White Throne Judgment of Revelation 20.

Has that Great White Throne Judgment event happened yet today? NO!

So why are the Biblically illiterate so ready to claim Judas Iscariot has already been judged to perdition in the future "lake of fire"? And I'm definitely not taking up for what Judas did, for it was ordained.

The matter, like Lord Jesus said in Matthew 25, the future "lake of fire" has been prepared for the devil and his angels, meaning ONLY the devil and his angels have already been judged to 'perdition' in the future "lake of fire".

Another issue is that the word "hell" in the KJV is not always the same word in the Greek New Testament manuscripts. So sometimes Jesus was speaking of the heavenly abode of the wicked more anciently known as Hades, and sometimes He was speaking of the future "lake of fire" event, which the abode of hell (hades) will eventually go into per the end of Revelation 20.

Don't forget to do your study homework brethren. It will clear up a lot of your questions. Get a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and look up those Greek manuscript definitions.

 

[bdavidc]

How many actually know what the word 'perdition' means? It is about perishing in the future "lake of fire" after God's Great White Throne Judgment of Revelation 20.

Has that Great White Throne Judgment event happened yet today? NO!

So why are the Biblically illiterate so ready to claim Judas Iscariot has already been judged to perdition in the future "lake of fire"? And I'm definitely not taking up for what Judas did, for it was ordained.

The matter, like Lord Jesus said in Matthew 25, the future "lake of fire" has been prepared for the devil and his angels, meaning ONLY the devil and his angels have already been judged to 'perdition' in the future "lake of fire".

Another issue is that the word "hell" in the KJV is not always the same word in the Greek New Testament manuscripts. So sometimes Jesus was speaking of the heavenly abode of the wicked more anciently known as Hades, and sometimes He was speaking of the future "lake of fire" event, which the abode of hell (hades) will eventually go into per the end of Revelation 20.

Don't forget to do your study homework brethren. It will clear up a lot of your questions. Get a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and look up those Greek manuscript definitions.

That’s not what the Bible teaches. Judas Iscariot was not only judged in time, he was identified directly by Jesus as “the son of perdition” (John 17:12). That phrase is not generic, it is specific. Perdition means destruction, ruin, and damnation. Jesus did not say Judas will be the son of perdition, He said he was. His fate was sealed not just by what he did, but by who he truly was. Acts 1:25 makes it even clearer, Judas “by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” That was not just a grave, that was a destination of judgment. No, the Great White Throne Judgment has not happened yet, but Scripture still shows that some individuals are already condemned and appointed to destruction (2 Peter 2:1, Jude 4). The lake of fire was prepared for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41), but the wicked will share in it. Revelation 21:8 says, “the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars” will have their part there. The Bible does not confuse hell, Hades, Gehenna, or the lake of fire, people do. But twisting Greek word studies to water down clear warnings is dangerous. Judas was lost, and he is not an exception, he is an example. Do not follow him.

 

[bdavidc]

So why are the Biblically illiterate so ready to claim Judas Iscariot has already been judged to perdition in the future "lake of fire"? And I'm definitely not taking up for what Judas did, for it was ordained.

It’s interesting how quick some are to elevate themselves as experts just because they can quote Greek definitions or toss around theological terms, but forget the most important thing, God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble (James 4:6). The Bible is not a codebook for intellectuals, it is the living Word of God that reveals Christ to those who come with faith, not pride. In 1 Corinthians 1, Paul explained that God deliberately chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and the weak things to shame the strong. Most of those God uses are not noble, not mighty, not impressive in the world’s eyes, and that is by design, so no one can boast in His presence.

You say others are “biblically illiterate” for believing Judas is already judged, but Jesus Himself called him “the son of perdition” (John 17:12), and Acts 1:25 says he went “to his own place.” That is not speculation, that is Scripture. No amount of Strong’s Concordance word studies can override the plain meaning of God’s Word. The Jews in Jesus’ day wanted signs, and the Greeks wanted wisdom, but Jesus gave them one sign, the resurrection, and most still rejected it because it was not what they wanted. People like you still chase intellectual validation, but the gospel was never meant to impress the world. Paul said, “I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified” (1 Corinthians 2:2). That message is foolishness to the proud, but it is the power of God to those who believe.

You can talk down to others if you want, but God sees the heart. He uses the ones the world calls nobodies to preach a message that saves. That is how He gets the glory.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

I've shown that you're the one who should.

I have. I follow Jesus,not a mystic.

The Poem of the Man-God, also known as "The Gospel as Revealed to Me," was placed on the Index of Prohibited Books in 1959, according to a Catholic News Agency article. This book, which Valtorta claimed was divinely dictated, was criticized by the Church for its "irreverence" towards the biblical account and for presenting Jesus and Mary in a way that deviated from traditional interpretations. The index was later abolished in 1966.

“A monument to pseudo-religiosity”: A case against The Poem of the Man-God​

Why in all these years have so few readers of The Poem of the Man-God, by Maria Valtorta, noticed it blatant and offensive defects?
September 14, 2021

 

[Davy]

That’s not what the Bible teaches.

That no flesh born man has been judged and sentenced to perish at the future "lake of fire" yet IS WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES. Only Satan and his angels have been sentenced perish so far. No one else has yet. That is why Lord Jesus was careful to not DIRECTLY condemn anyone to perish in the "lake of fire" just yet, for that time of His Judgment IS NOT YET.

Any MAN that says flesh men have... already been sentenced to perish in that "lake of fire" today ARE FOLLOWING MEN, AND NOT GOD'S WRITTEN WORD.

 

[Davy]

It’s interesting how quick some are to elevate themselves as experts just because they can quote Greek definitions or toss around theological terms, but forget the most important thing, God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble (James 4:6).

And I continue to NEVER be amazed at the BIBLICALLY ILLITERATE who instead have to MAKE UP LIES AGAINST GOD'S WRITTEN WORD to try and make themselves 'appear'... holy, when they are not, but inside are full of HATRED AND ENVY against their fellowman.

 

[bdavidc]

That no flesh born man has been judged and sentenced to perish at the future "lake of fire" yet IS WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES. Only Satan and his angels have been sentenced perish so far. No one else has yet. That is why Lord Jesus was careful to not DIRECTLY condemn anyone to perish in the "lake of fire" just yet, for that time of His Judgment IS NOT YET.

Any MAN that says flesh men have... already been sentenced to perish in that "lake of fire" today ARE FOLLOWING MEN, AND NOT GOD'S WRITTEN WORD.

The Bible does teach that people are already condemned if they reject Jesus. John 3:18 says, “He that believeth not is condemned already.” That means judgment isn’t just in the future, it starts now for those who reject Christ.

Jesus called Judas “the son of perdition” (John 17:12). That means Judas was already marked for destruction. The word perdition means total ruin. So no, it’s not just the devil and his angels who are sentenced to perish. Judas is proof.

In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says to the wicked, “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire.” Then in verse 46, “These shall go away into everlasting punishment.” Those are people, not just demons. It’s clear.

So claiming no human has been sentenced yet is just wrong. The Bible doesn't back that up. That kind of thinking doesn’t come from Scripture, it comes from avoiding what God actually said. Judgment is coming, and it’s already declared for many. That’s why the gospel must be preached now, because time is running out.