Judas Went to His Own Place – A Biblical Verdict of Eternal Judgment

[Scott Downey]

From which Bible?

I usually read the NKJV, NIV, and do look at other versions too.

Blueletter bible is a good source for studying the words in scriptures.
Do a search and it breaks out the meaning in the Greek.

Bible Search and Study Tools - Blue Letter Bible

Read and study God's Word with Bible study software that has in-depth resources such as commentaries, Greek and Hebrew word tools, concordances, and more.

www.blueletterbible.org

Here is hades

G86 - hadēs - Strong's Greek Lexicon (ylt)

G86 - ᾅδης háidēs, hah'-dace; from (as negative particle) and ; properly, unseen, i.e. "Hades" or the place (state) of departed souls:—grave, hell.

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[bdavidc]

Forever punishment is pointless and is contrary to the nature of God. It is a false doctrine. Take the verses you cited and use Young's Literal Translation to get better translations.

You’ve already been shown what the Bible says, and now you’re rejecting it outright. Let’s stop pretending this is about translation. It’s not. You’re not seeking truth, you’re trying to erase it.


“Forever punishment is pointless”? That’s your opinion, not God’s Word. God doesn’t ask you if His judgment makes sense to you. He declares what is just, and He warns us ahead of time because He is merciful. If you call it a “false doctrine,” then you’re calling Jesus Christ a false teacher, because He is the one who preached eternal punishment more than anyone else.


Jesus said plainly, “And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal” (Matthew 25:46). You can’t make one eternal and the other temporary without twisting the text. The exact same word is used for both. Either they both last forever, or neither does. You can’t have it both ways.


God is not only love, He is holy and just. You want to throw out judgment because it offends your emotions, but the Bible says:

“The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked” (Nahum 1:3).
“It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God” (Hebrews 10:31).
“Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord” (2 Thessalonians 1:9).
“The smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever, and they have no rest day nor night” (Revelation 14:11).

These are not opinions, they are facts from the mouth of God. You can mock them, ignore them, or try to philosophize them away, but you will not escape them.


The truth is, if you reject eternal punishment, you are rejecting the Word of God and preaching a false gospel. There’s no gentler way to say it. You are twisting Scripture instead of reading it the way God actually meant it.


Here’s your warning: if you deny the judgment of God, you are setting yourself up to face it.

“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life, and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him” (John 3:36).

I’m not interested in hearing your false teachings. I’ve seen enough to know they do not line up with the Word of God, so don’t bring them to me.

 

[NotTheRock]

Amazing.

 

[NotTheRock]

• Proverbs 12:1-25
  "To learn the truth you must long to be teachable, or you can despise correction and remain ignorant".
  
  
  
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• Mark 4:25
  "For whoever has a teachable heart, to him more understanding will be given; and whoever does not have a yearning for truth, even what he has will be taken away from him".

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

We can be certain of one thing about hell, those who go there don't get let out for breaks.
Never seen hell myself. Read plenty of stories and who knows how genuine they were.
Hell is a place where the wicked receive bad things.

Abraham's bosom story describes it a little.
Everyone who goes to hell is worthy of being there.
Luke 16, notice Jesus describes the contrast between them.
That rich man in hell knew who Lazarus was! Likely saw him daily and did nothing to help him.

The Rich Man and Lazarus​

19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and [h]fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with [i]the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’

27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”

No one is yet in heaven or hell.

 

[Scott Downey]

No one is yet in heaven or hell.

You know when we die, we go to be with Christ where He is.
Where do you think people go?

Philippians 1

21 For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I [d]cannot tell. 23 [e]For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. 24 Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you. 25 And being confident of this, I know that I shall remain and continue with you all for your progress and joy of faith, 26 that your rejoicing for me may be more abundant in Jesus Christ by my coming to you again.

 

[Origen]

Maria, your source there [...]

Jesus is the source. Maria Valtorta was His "pen".

Maria, your source there [...] failed to consider, Satan possessed Judas for one purpose. And then departed. Which in guilt resizing what happened then,Judas hanged himself.

Why didn't Jesus cure Judas of his possession. Maria overlooked the fact it was necessary so that Judas would turn Jesus over to the Pharisees. Jesus knew. Which is why Maria missed Jesus telling Judas at that time, go and do what you must do .

Judas was part of God's plan.

Again, Jesus is the source. Maria Valtorta was His "pen".

Again, possession is the contagion of Satan who inoculates the human being with his juices and perverts its nature. It is the marriage of a spirit with Satan and animality. But possession is still a trifle as compared with incarnation. Judas made choices that allowed Satan to possess him, to the point where Satan eventually became incarnated in him for the sole purpose of betraying and seeking to have Jesus killed.

Again, remorse could have also saved Judas, if he had turned remorse into repentance. But he would not repent and, to the first crime of betrayal, still compatible because of the great mercy that is Jesus loving weakness, he added blasphemy, resistance to the voices of Grace, that still wanted to speak to him through recollections, through terrors, through Jesus's Blood and His mantle, through His glances, through the traces of the institution of the Eucharist, through the words of His Mother. He resisted everything. He wanted to resist. As he had wanted to betray. As he wanted to curse. As he wanted to commit suicide.

It is one's will that matters in things. Both in good and in evil. When one falls without the will to follow, Jesus forgives.

Again, the reason Jesus didn't cure Judas when he was possessed, but not yet annihilated in Satan (incarnation of Satan in Judas), is because when a man is ill he seeks cure by himself, unless it is a child or a fool who are devoid of willpower. So, why did Jesus not treat Judas as a fool and see to it, without his being aware of it? Because it wouldn't have been just since Judas could still use his willpower. Judas knew what is good and what is evil for him. And Jesus's curing him would've been of no avail without Judas's will to remain cured. So, why didn't Jesus give Judas such a will? Should Jesus have imposed a good will on him? And his free will? What would it have become? What would his ego of a man, of a free creature be? Dominated?

Satan approached Judas, tempting him, testing him, and he received him. There is no possession if at the beginning there is no assent to some satanic temptation. The snake introduces his head between the bars closely placed to defend hearts, but he would not be able to enter if man did not widen a passage to admire his alluring aspect and listen to and follow him... Only then man becomes dominated, possessed, because he wants it. God also darts the very kind lights of His paternal love from the heavens, and His lights penetrate us. Or rather: God, to Whom everything is possible, descends into the hearts of men. It is His right. Since man knows how to become a slave dominated by the Dreadful one, why does he not know how to become a servant of God, nay a son of God, and he drives away his Most Holy Father? Judas wanted Satan and preferred him to God.

And, Jesus showed Maria Valtorta scenes many scenes from His life on earth through visions, including the Last Supper. Maria described what she saw and heard take place. Below is an excerpt:

...The hand of him who will betray Me is here with Me on this table, and neither My love, nor My Body and Blood, nor My word make him mend his ways and repent. I would forgive him going to My death also on his behalf»

The disciples cast terrified glances at one another. They scrutinise one another suspiciously. Peter stares at the Iscariot in a revival of all his doubts. Judas Thaddeus in his turn jumps to his feet to look at the Iscariot above Matthew's body.

But the Iscariot is so sure of himself! In his turn he looks at Matthew, as if he suspected him. He then looks fixedly at Jesus and smiling he asks: «Is it I perhaps?» He seems to be the one who is most certain of his honesty and to say so, not to let the conversation drop.

Jesus repeats His gesture saying: «You are saying so, Judas of Simon, not I. You are saying so. I have not mentioned your name. Why are you accusing yourself? Ask your internal warner, your conscience of a man, the conscience that God the Father gave you that you might behave as a man, and listen whether it accuses you. You will be the first to know. But if it reassures you, why do you utter a word and speak of a deed that is anathema even to mention or to think of as a joke?»

Jesus is speaking calmly. He seems to be supporting a proposed thesis as a learned man may do with his pupils. The confusion is great, but Jesus' calm appeases it.

But Peter, who is the most suspicious of Judas—perhaps Thaddeus also is so, but he does not look so, disarmed as he is by the Iscariot's easy manners—plucks John's sleeve, and when John, who has pressed against Jesus upon hearing Him speak of betrayal, turns round, he whispers to him: «Ask Him who it is.»

John takes his previous position again, he only raises his head slightly, as if he wanted to kiss Jesus, and in the meantime he whispers in His ear: «Master, who is it?»

And Jesus in a very low voice, kissing him, in His turn, on his head, says: «It is he to whom I shall give a piece of bread dipped in the dish.»

And taking another entire loaf, not the remains of the one used for the Eucharist, He detaches a large morsel, He dips it into the lamb's sauce left in the tray, and says: «Take it, Judas. You like this.»

«Thank You, Master. I do like it» and unaware of what that morsel is, he eats it, while John, horrified, closes even his eyes not to see the horrid smile of the Iscariot, as he bites the accusing bread with his strong teeth.

«Well. Now that I have made you happy, go» says Jesus to Judas. «Everything has been accomplished, here (He lays much stress on the word). What is still left to be done elsewhere, do it quickly, Judas of Simon.»

«I will obey You at once, Master. Then I will join You at Gethsemane. You are going there, are You not? As usual?»

«Yes. . . I am going there. . . as usual. »

«What has he got to do?» asks Peter. «Is he going by himself?»

«I am not a baby» says Judas scoffingly, as he puts on his mantle.

«Let him go. He and I know what must be done» says Jesus.

«Yes, Master. » Peter is silent. Perhaps he thinks he has committed a sin suspecting his companion. Resting his forehead on the palm of his hand, he becomes pensive.

Jesus presses John to His heart and whispers again through his hair: «Say nothing to Peter for the time being. It would be a useless scandal. »

«Goodbye, Master. Goodbye, friends» says Judas greeting them.

«Goodbye» replies Jesus.

And Peter says: «Goodbye, boy.»

John, his head almost on Jesus' lap, whispers: «Satan!» Jesus alone hears him and sighs.

Everything comes to an end here, but Jesus says: «I am interrupting the vision out of pity for you. I will give you the end of the Supper later.»

Prior to this scene, Jesus and Judas had a conversation where Jesus made it known to him that He knew he was going to betray Him. So, at the last Supper, Judas already knew that Jesus knew what he was going to do, but Jesus knew before Judas even did because He's omniscient. So, Jesus letting Judas know when it's time for him, or Satan, to go do what they both knew he was going to do, doesn't mean that Judas never had free will. Jesus having foreknowledge of Judas's actions doesn't mean that Judas didn't make the choices Jesus foresaw him making. All throughout Scripture Jesus speaks about choosing either good or evil. Therefore, no one can reasonably say that humans don't have free will.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Jesus is the source. Maria Valtorta was His "pen".



Again, Jesus is the source. Maria Valtorta was His "pen".

Again, possession is the contagion of Satan who inoculates the human being with his juices and perverts its nature. It is the marriage of a spirit with Satan and animality. But possession is still a trifle as compared with incarnation. Judas made choices that allowed Satan to possess him, to the point where Satan eventually became incarnated in him for the sole purpose of betraying and seeking to have Jesus killed.

Again, remorse could have also saved Judas, if he had turned remorse into repentance. But he would not repent and, to the first crime of betrayal, still compatible because of the great mercy that is Jesus loving weakness, he added blasphemy, resistance to the voices of Grace, that still wanted to speak to him through recollections, through terrors, through Jesus's Blood and His mantle, through His glances, through the traces of the institution of the Eucharist, through the words of His Mother. He resisted everything. He wanted to resist. As he had wanted to betray. As he wanted to curse. As he wanted to commit suicide.

It is one's will that matters in things. Both in good and in evil. When one falls without the will to follow, Jesus forgives.

Again, the reason Jesus didn't cure Judas when he was possessed, but not yet annihilated in Satan (incarnation of Satan in Judas), is because when a man is ill he seeks cure by himself, unless it is a child or a fool who are devoid of willpower. So, why did Jesus not treat Judas as a fool and see to it, without his being aware of it? Because it wouldn't have been just since Judas could still use his willpower. Judas knew what is good and what is evil for him. And Jesus's curing him would've been of no avail without Judas's will to remain cured. So, why didn't Jesus give Judas such a will? Should Jesus have imposed a good will on him? And his free will? What would it have become? What would his ego of a man, of a free creature be? Dominated?

Satan approached Judas, tempting him, testing him, and he received him. There is no possession if at the beginning there is no assent to some satanic temptation. The snake introduces his head between the bars closely placed to defend hearts, but he would not be able to enter if man did not widen a passage to admire his alluring aspect and listen to and follow him... Only then man becomes dominated, possessed, because he wants it. God also darts the very kind lights of His paternal love from the heavens, and His lights penetrate us. Or rather: God, to Whom everything is possible, descends into the hearts of men. It is His right. Since man knows how to become a slave dominated by the Dreadful one, why does he not know how to become a servant of God, nay a son of God, and he drives away his Most Holy Father? Judas wanted Satan and preferred him to God.

And, Jesus showed Maria Valtorta scenes many scenes from His life on earth through visions, including the Last Supper. Maria described what she saw and heard take place. Below is an excerpt:



Prior to this scene, Jesus and Judas had a conversation where Jesus made it known to him that He knew he was going to betray Him. So, at the last Supper, Judas already knew that Jesus knew what he was going to do, but Jesus knew before Judas even did because He's omniscient. So, Jesus letting Judas know when it's time for him, or Satan, to go do what they both knew he was going to do, doesn't mean that Judas never had free will. Jesus having foreknowledge of Judas's actions doesn't mean that Judas didn't make the choices Jesus foresaw him making. All throughout Scripture Jesus speaks about choosing either good or evil. Therefore, no one can reasonably say that humans don't have free will.

Jesus doesn't use Mystics.
Maria also said that in the hierarchy of the church Mary is second and St.Peter is third.

 

[bdavidc]

• Proverbs 12:1-25
  "To learn the truth you must long to be teachable, or you can despise correction and remain ignorant".
  
  • 
    
    
    
• Mark 4:25
  "For whoever has a teachable heart, to him more understanding will be given; and whoever does not have a yearning for truth, even what he has will be taken away from him".

You're quoting verses about being teachable, but you're not applying them to yourself. Being teachable means submitting to what the Bible actually says, not perverting the Word of God to fit your own opinion. What you're doing is not biblical correction, it's rewriting truth to protect your viewpoint. That’s not a yearning for truth, that’s rebellion against it.

Jesus spoke plainly about hell. He called it a place of unquenchable fire where the worm does not die (Mark 9:43–48), outer darkness with weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 8:12), and said the punishment is everlasting, the same Greek word (aionios) used for eternal life (Matthew 25:46). You can’t claim to be teachable while denying what Jesus clearly said.

Perverting the Word of God doesn’t lead to understanding, it leads to judgment. If you truly want a teachable heart, start by believing the Bible as it is written, not as you wish it said.

 

[bdavidc]

Amazing.

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Amazing! That is correct. If you can’t see what the Bible says in plain English about hell being eternal, it’s not because the verses aren’t clear; it’s because you don’t want to accept them. God’s Word says it over and over:

• Matthew 25:46 – “These shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal.”
• Revelation 14:11 – “The smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever.”
• Mark 9:43–48 – “Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”
• 2 Thessalonians 1:9 – “Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord.”

You don’t need a new translation, you need a new heart that’s willing to believe what God has already said.

 

[NotTheRock]

You're quoting verses about being teachable, but you're not applying them to yourself. Being teachable means submitting to what the Bible actually says, not perverting the Word of God to fit your own opinion. What you're doing is not biblical correction, it's rewriting truth to protect your viewpoint. That’s not a yearning for truth, that’s rebellion against it.

Jesus spoke plainly about hell. He called it a place of unquenchable fire where the worm does not die (Mark 9:43–48), outer darkness with weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 8:12), and said the punishment is everlasting, the same Greek word (aionios) used for eternal life (Matthew 25:46). You can’t claim to be teachable while denying what Jesus clearly said.

Perverting the Word of God doesn’t lead to understanding, it leads to judgment. If you truly want a teachable heart, start by believing the Bible as it is written, not as you wish it said.

You have a monolithic misunderstanding of God and of scripture and you are arrogant and while you wish to persuade others, you yourself are unwilling to be persuaded. Rather than considering other perspectives you viciously and personally attack the person sharing the perspective.

 

[NotTheRock]

You're quoting verses about being teachable, but you're not applying them to yourself.

Your arrogance blinds you. You are too pompous to consider the possibility that your understanding isn't infallible.

 

[Origen]

Jesus doesn't use Mystics.

You know that God has spoken through humans since the beginning: Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi, Elijah, and Elisha. The terms "mystic" and/or "visionary" is applied to such people because of the kind of interaction they had with God. Then, God became human and spoke to us in the flesh. After leaving the Earth and returning to Heaven, He has continued to speak through humans. And I, and I assume you, haven't had experiences with God like those people have (one day you and/or I might), and thus we aren't considered mystics and visionaries at this time. But Maria Valtorta was because she received visions and took dictation from Jesus and other heavenly persons, and wrote down all that she heard and saw.

Maria also said that in the hierarchy of the church Mary is second and St.Peter is third.

Jesus showed Maria Valtorta scenes from His life on earth through visions, and she wrote all that she saw and heard taking place. Below is an excerpt from the scene that you're referring to where Jesus is speaking to His Mother:

"During the time that You will remain on the Earth, and You are second to Peter with regard to ecclesiastical hierarchy, he being the Head and You a believer, but first as Mother of the Church having given birth to Me, Who am the Head of this Mystical Body, do not resist the many Judases, but assist and teach Peter, My brothers (His cousins), John, James, Simon, Philip, Bartholomew, Andrew, Thomas and Matthew not to reject, but to assist. Defend Me in My followers, and defend Me from those who want to disperse and dismember the dawning Church. And in future centuries, Mother, always be She Who pleads for and protects, defends and helps My Church, My priests, My believers, from evil and punishment, from themselves [...]" (PV4)

As you can see, with regard to the ecclesiastical hierarchy in the Church, Jesus didn't say that Peter was third, but rather first being the Head, and that Mary was second as a believer.

 

[bdavidc]

You have a monolithic misunderstanding of God and of scripture and you are arrogant and while you wish to persuade others, you yourself are unwilling to be persuaded. Rather than considering other perspectives you viciously and personally attack the person sharing the perspective.

You’ve got it backward. I’m not the one launching personal attacks, you are. I’ve been standing on what the Bible says, quoting Scripture directly, while you’ve been throwing insults, accusing me of arrogance, and trying to shame me for not agreeing with your views.

I did not attack you. You started this by asking, “Do you believe in forever punishment?” because you knew my answer would be straight from the Bible, and you just wanted to provoke an argument. So point the finger back at yourself.

Yes, I’m unwilling to be persuaded by ideas that go against God’s Word. That’s not arrogance, that’s obedience. God doesn’t ask us to entertain every perspective, He commands us to believe the truth. When someone starts perverting the Word of God, I will call it out. That’s not personal, that’s biblical.

I’m not here to argue for sport. If you want a real conversation, open your Bible and actually read it.

 

[bdavidc]

Your arrogance blinds you. You are too pompous to consider the possibility that your understanding isn't infallible.

This isn’t about me thinking I’m infallible. I’m not. But God’s Word is, and that’s what I’m standing on. If you think that’s arrogance, then your problem is not with me, it’s with the authority of Scripture.

What’s really blinding is pride that refuses to accept clear verses because they don’t fit a personal belief. I didn’t write the Bible, I just believe it. You can call that pompous if you want, but at the end of the day, truth doesn’t change just because someone’s offended by it.

If you want to keep throwing personal insults instead of dealing with the text, then we’re done here. Open a Bible, not another attack.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

You know that God has spoken through humans since the beginning: Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi, Elijah, and Elisha. The terms "mystic" and/or "visionary" is applied to such people because of the kind of interaction they had with God. Then, God became human and spoke to us in the flesh. After leaving the Earth and returning to Heaven, He has continued to speak through humans. And I, and I assume you, haven't had experiences with God like those people have (one day you and/or I might), and thus we aren't considered mystics and visionaries at this time. But Maria Valtorta was because she received visions and took dictation from Jesus and other heavenly persons, and wrote down all that she heard and saw.



Jesus showed Maria Valtorta scenes from His life on earth through visions, and she wrote all that she saw and heard taking place. Below is an excerpt from the scene that you're referring to where Jesus is speaking to His Mother:

"During the time that You will remain on the Earth, and You are second to Peter with regard to ecclesiastical hierarchy, he being the Head and You a believer, but first as Mother of the Church having given birth to Me, Who am the Head of this Mystical Body, do not resist the many Judases, but assist and teach Peter, My brothers (His cousins), John, James, Simon, Philip, Bartholomew, Andrew, Thomas and Matthew not to reject, but to assist. Defend Me in My followers, and defend Me from those who want to disperse and dismember the dawning Church. And in future centuries, Mother, always be She Who pleads for and protects, defends and helps My Church, My priests, My believers, from evil and punishment, from themselves [...]" (PV4)

As you can see, with regard to the ecclesiastical hierarchy in the Church, Jesus didn't say that Peter was third, but rather first being the Head, and that Mary was second as a believer.

Jesus said the hierarchy of the church....
Oh,you mean Maria got it wrong?

 

[Origen]

Jesus said the hierarchy of the church....
Oh,you mean Maria got it wrong?

No, you got it wrong. You said, "Maria also said that in the hierarchy of the church Mary is second and St. Peter is third." Again, Maria Valtorta didn't write that Peter was third because Jesus didn't say that He was. She wrote what she saw and heard Jesus say, which is that Peter was first because he's Head of the Church. So, I don't know how or where you got that he was third.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

No, you got it wrong. You said, "Maria also said that in the hierarchy of the church Mary is second and St. Peter is third." Again, Maria Valtorta didn't write that Peter was third because Jesus didn't say that He was. She wrote what she saw and heard Jesus say, which is that Peter was first because he's Head of the Church. So, I don't know how or where you got that he was third.

Her writings.

Her fourth book was condemned by the RCC. And she is not recognized by the church as credible.

 

[Origen]

Her writings.

Again, in Maria Valtorta's writings, she didn't write that Jesus said Peter was third, but rather that He said Peter was first, regarding ecclesiastical hierarchy in the Church. So, you're wrong.

Her fourth book was condemned by the RCC.

Wrong again. The first edition of The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I-V, was placed on the Index because it lacked an imprimatur, but it shouldn't have been placed on it in the first place, because it had received verbal approval to be published by Pope Pius XII. But a lot has happened since 1959, and subsequent editions, and her other writings, have received imprimaturs, and have been published in multiple languages, all over the world.

And she is not recognized by the church as credible.

Wrong again. In February 2025, the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith put out a statement giving their opinion about Maria Valtorta's writings, and they've been wrong before. You should read the following article: Response to the Vatican's 2025 Press Release on Maria Valtorta. You should also read A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work, especially the chapters on proofs in support of her writings having a supernatural origin.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Again, in Maria Valtorta's writings, she didn't write that Jesus said Peter was third, but rather that He said Peter was first, regarding ecclesiastical hierarchy in the Church. So, you're wrong.



Wrong again. The first edition of The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I-V, was placed on the Index because it lacked an imprimatur, but it shouldn't have been placed on it in the first place, because it had received verbal approval to be published by Pope Pius XII. But a lot has happened since 1959, and subsequent editions, and her other writings, have received imprimaturs, and have been published in multiple languages, all over the world.



Wrong again. In February 2025, the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith put out a statement giving their opinion about Maria Valtorta's writings, and they've been wrong before. You should read the following article: Response to the Vatican's 2025 Press Release on Maria Valtorta. You should also read A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work, especially the chapters on proofs in support of her writings having a supernatural origin.

Yeah,you should do more research.