Tell me, have you seen him?

[PS95]

Thanks.

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Let the intelligent reader beware. Anyone who listens to PS95 telling others what I believe and thinks it is accurate has made a mistake.

WOW Matt. Are you also calling me a liar? Allow me to set this straight please.
We have had several conversations (if you can call them that) it's more like me asking, and you being evasive most of the time, but when I have gotten an answers- SEE below. I can provide every single link if you wish. Just ask and I will deliver. Putting those together is confusing and contradictory- and yet you get annoyed- and tell me to search all of your 20K posts for what you believe. I have even asked you for a link with your beliefs- you ignored that too.
So here you go. here are your own words- in bold- lest you call me a liar again.
It's pretty simple- you are here as "other faith" and constantly tell those who accept the trinity that they are wrong and have a different God than you do. So instead of bashing them as serving a fake god- I just ask YOU to explain what you believe! Imagine that. That makes me a bad guy if I find your answers confusing? Why don't you just lay it all out for everyone, Matt since only you serve the true God. Instead I have had to piece this together like a puzzle. Then you accuse me of lying. sigh

1). "There was a time when the Son of God did not exist. He began to exist circa 6 BC when he was miraculously created by the God of the Jews - his God and Father - in the womb of the virgin."

2)" I don’t say that Jesus had no preexistence. I say that Jesus has a preexistence."

3) God supernaturally created a human person, whom God knew only in his foreknowledge, in Mary.
I have never said, nor have I ever believed, that Jesus was an “it”. [Added to make it clear to my readers.]

4)

Correct me if I am wrong here- You said the Word (logos) was an it.

That’s right.

5)

So you are now saying that you are like a Christadelphian like Trevor? The Word who became flesh was not Jesus?

I’m not a Christadelphian but that is something which I have in common with the Christadelphians. I’ve said it all along.

6)

Does an "it" have a memory?

Sometimes.

7)

is that your answer? Examples?

A computer quickly comes to mind.

I’m typing this message on an iPad. It has a certain amount of memory. Sometimes I use my iPhone to post messages. It too has memory. (Pet peeve of mine - spell check.) Sometimes, though rarely since I retired, I check my contact list. I don’t have a lot of telephone numbers memorized.
I’m currently having a problem with my car starting. A mechanic has advised me over the phone that he believes the problem may be with either a computer chip or a chip scanner. The car, a Toyota, apparently, has a shut down feature which it activates if / when it thinks it’s being stolen. I didn’t know that until just a few days ago.

 

[Matthias]

WOW Matt. Are you also calling me a liar? Allow me to set this straight please.
We have had several conversations (if you can call them that) it's more like me asking, and you being evasive most of the time, but when I have gotten an answers- SEE below. I can provide every single link if you wish. Just ask and I will deliver. Putting those together is confusing and contradictory- and yet you get annoyed- and tell me to search all of your 20K posts for what you believe. I have even asked you for a link with your beliefs- you ignored that too.
So here you go. here are your own words- in bold- lest you call me a liar again.
It's pretty simple- you are here as "other faith" and constantly tell those who accept the trinity that they are wrong and have a different God than you do. So instead of bashing them as serving a fake god- I just ask YOU to explain what you believe! Imagine that. That makes me a bad guy if I find your answers confusing? Why don't you just lay it all out for everyone, Matt since only you serve the true God. Instead I have had to piece this together like a puzzle. Then you accuse me of lying. sigh

1). "There was a time when the Son of God did not exist. He began to exist circa 6 BC when he was miraculously created by the God of the Jews - his God and Father - in the womb of the virgin."

2)" I don’t say that Jesus had no preexistence. I say that Jesus has a preexistence."

3) God supernaturally created a human person, whom God knew only in his foreknowledge, in Mary.
I have never said, nor have I ever believed, that Jesus was an “it”. [Added to make it clear to my readers.]

4)


That’s right.

5)


I’m not a Christadelphian but that is something which I have in common with the Christadelphians. I’ve said it all along.

6)


Sometimes.

7)


A computer quickly comes to mind.

I’m typing this message on an iPad. It has a certain amount of memory. Sometimes I use my iPhone to post messages. It too has memory. (Pet peeve of mine - spell check.) Sometimes, though rarely since I retired, I check my contact list. I don’t have a lot of telephone numbers memorized.
I’m currently having a problem with my car starting. A mechanic has advised me over the phone that he believes the problem may be with either a computer chip or a chip scanner. The car, a Toyota, apparently, has a shut down feature which it activates if / when it thinks it’s being stolen. I didn’t know that until just a few days ago.

You and I both know and have agreed that you don’t understand what I believe. When someone doesn’t understand what someone else believes but goes around telling others what they don’t understand as if they do then what is told isn’t going to be the truth. It will be a mixture of truth and error, at best.

 

[PS95]

You and I both know and have agreed that you don’t understand what I believe. When someone doesn’t understand what someone else believes but goes around telling others what they don’t understand as if they did what is told isn’t going to be the truth. It will be a mixture, at best.

Classic reply Matt. Thats' exactly my point- yes we do agree that I don't understand you - so why don't explain to me then when I ask?

 

[Matthias]

Classic reply Matt. Thats' exactly my point- yes we do agree that I don't understand you -

That hasn’t prevented you from telling others that I believe something that I don’t.

A word of advice. Don’t bear false witness against anyone and don’t seek to join yourself to someone when you don’t understand what they believe.

… so why don't explain to me then when I ask?

I have explained to you. I have explained to others. Hundreds upon hundreds of times.

Example: “Jesus has never been an it.”

I can’t make it any simpler than that and you can’t understand it. Better to leave it at that than to insist to others - and to me! - that I believe something that I don’t, never have, and never will.

 

[PS95]

That hasn’t prevented you from telling others that I believe something that I don’t.
A word of advice. Don’t bear false witness against anyone and don’t seek to join yourself to someone when you don’t understand what they believe.

I will offer you a word of advice as well. Never falsely accuse others of bearing false witness against you!!! LOOK at my post - It clearly says- MATT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

 

[Matthias]

A word to my readers. From time to time members here have asked me for links to a website / websites that present my position. I’ve provided links several times on this forum but I don’t any longer. Why? Simple, really. Every time that I have, that was the end of the conversation.

I’m here for conversation but if someone wants to find the links, a simple search will bring them up. I checked. They’re still posted.

 

[Behold]

“No one has seen God at any time.”

(1 John 4:12, NET)

The Pre-Incarnate Christ "saw God" for a long time, before He was Virgin born down here as God's "only begotten".

One of the reasons that God can't be seen, is because......""God is A Spirit""....and you Can't see one of those....

Now, there is a way to see """"God manifested in the Flesh""""......, and Jesus explained this as..>"if you've seen ME you've seen the Father"., because "I and my Father, are ONE">.

 

[Matthias]

I will offer you a word of advice as well. Never falsely accuse others of bearing false witness against you!!! LOOK at my post - It clearly says- MATT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

I‘ve corrected you so many times and it hasn’t made any difference at all. That leaves me with a decision to make about you; about us.

Here’s where we are: I’m not in your league. You should find members on the forum who are.

 

[PS95]

I‘ve corrected you so many times and it hasn’t made any difference at all. That leaves me with a decision to make about you; about us.

Here’s where we are: I’m not in your league. You should find members on the forum who are.

That's a wonderful explanation of your beliefs.

 

[Matthias]

That's a wonderful explanation of your beliefs.

No. It’s a simple explanation of why we both need to move on.

 

[PS95]

No. It’s a simple explanation of why we both need to move on.

another great explanation. Not even a link to go learn on my own?

 

[talons]

To the only God our Savior

Ok you didn't address the OP in post 15 David..I guess you think your obsession with 3 parts/persons in the term Elohim suffices then as the truth? So where did you arrive at 3 parts for Elohim if is can be seen as a plural noun? Why 3, why not 2, 4 or more. And why do they have to be persons...

www.christianityboard.com

@PS95 , I had a conversation back in Dec. with @Matthias , maybe you can gather some info from it that will help you understand .

 

[Matthias]

To the only God our Savior

Ok you didn't address the OP in post 15 David..I guess you think your obsession with 3 parts/persons in the term Elohim suffices then as the truth? So where did you arrive at 3 parts for Elohim if is can be seen as a plural noun? Why 3, why not 2, 4 or more. And why do they have to be persons...

www.christianityboard.com

@PS95 , I had a conversation back in Dec. with @Matthias , maybe you can gather some info from it that will help you understand .

I know your heart is in the right place but what it will do is almost certainly what it has done with that member. I guess we’ll find out.