Is it possible to lose salvation?

[LoveYeshua]

Either Paul is a liar or he is not.





The Lord Jesus continued His teaching ministry thru Paul and expounded in more detail upon the things that He was teaching to the 12 which is the Gospel of the Kingdom.

his gospel is too different from Christ also he has no witnesses of the message he received in secret!, loves to boast, denigrates constantly the 12 and even Jesus, therefore could be a false teacher and many are deceived . I believe he did have a change or heart and Like Balaam

I am faithful to Christ the 12 and God and will always be. Christ said many would be deceived and would follow the wrong path and few would be saved Jesus is always right! also there are tests for prophets in deuterinomy , paul fails them also!

Here is what Jesus said;

Mat 24:23 At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it.

Mat 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible.

Mat 24:25 See, I have told you in advance.

Mat 24:26 So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. ( this fits paul perfectly)

Mat 24:27 For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Mat 24:28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Paul say in (Rom. 11:22) Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. You had better continue in God’s goodness or you will be cut off. This is also the writing of thee Apostle Paul. You must continue to keep God’s laws if you expect to receive salvation. Also in (Colo. 1:22-23) (v.22) In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: (v.23) If ye continue in the faith grounded and settle, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister.

You must continue in the faith and not be moved by the cares of the world. It’s more than confessing the name of Jesus, salvation is a work in progress you must take it one day at a time. It is a sad thing to believe that once you say that you believe on Christ your journey is done. You have only taken the first steps toward learning about the true and living God.
Yes it's from God coming through Paul

Bro you can post these passages all day long they will not help you. If you keep
Focusing on these descriptive passages and not the ones that show our security in Christ they will just keep you in bondage of self righteousness

Again. You can’t hurt me you just hurt yourself

 

[bro.tan]

Bro you can post these passages all day long they will not help you. If you keep
Focusing on these descriptive passages and not the ones that show our security in Christ they will just keep you in bondage of self righteousness

Again. You can’t hurt me you just hurt yourself

Jesus said in (Matt. 16:24-27) (v.24) Then said Jesus unto his disciples, if any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. That was the Lord’s burden, to die on the cross for the sins of man. Now as we read earlier every man must bear his own burden, and what is your burden? (v.25) For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. You must give up your life in this world; you must not get caught up in the cares of this world. You must bring forth-good fruits of faith by keeping God’s commandments, statues, and judgments. (v.26) For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Some of the great patriarchs in (Heb.11) gave up a lot, some even their lives in exchange for their soul. You see they had great faith (belief) that their souls (bodies) would be raised at the first resurrection. And some of you won’t even give up some of the littlest things like, going to church on Sunday, the pagan holidays of Christmas and Easter, praying to the Virgin Mary, I could go on and on. And most so-called Christians know these rituals have nothing to do with Jesus and the Bible, but a lot of work get put into them. But do they understand that they are offensive to God? Maybe it’s because they have more faith in man than God, maybe it’s because they fear how man is going to treat them, and don’t fear God. But listen up; (v.27) For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his holy angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Now these are the words of Jesus (the Son of man), you know the savior of the world. He said that when he comes he is going to judge every man according to his works. Don't be deceived thinking you all you need to do is have faith in the Lord and you will be saved?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus said in (Matt. 16:24-27) (v.24) Then said Jesus unto his disciples, if any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. That was the Lord’s burden, to die on the cross for the sins of man. Now as we read earlier every man must bear his own burden, and what is your burden? (v.25) For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. You must give up your life in this world; you must not get caught up in the cares of this world. You must bring forth-good fruits of faith by keeping God’s commandments, statues, and judgments. (v.26) For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Some of the great patriarchs in (Heb.11) gave up a lot, some even their lives in exchange for their soul. You see they had great faith (belief) that their souls (bodies) would be raised at the first resurrection. And some of you won’t even give up some of the littlest things like, going to church on Sunday, the pagan holidays of Christmas and Easter, praying to the Virgin Mary, I could go on and on. And most so-called Christians know these rituals have nothing to do with Jesus and the Bible, but a lot of work get put into them. But do they understand that they are offensive to God? Maybe it’s because they have more faith in man than God, maybe it’s because they fear how man is going to treat them, and don’t fear God. But listen up; (v.27) For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his holy angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Now these are the words of Jesus (the Son of man), you know the savior of the world. He said that when he comes he is going to judge every man according to his works. Don't be deceived thinking you all you need to do is have faith in the Lord and you will be saved?

Self righteousness is all you offer

Yes he will judge everyone according to their deeds

For those who failed to keep the law he will reward them with hellfire

For those who looked to the cross in faith he will not give them what they deaerve

Again your not going to like if you try to hand God your works

 

[quietthinker]

Is it possible to lose salvation?​

Is it possible to reject salvation?

 

[LoveYeshua]

Is it possible to lose salvation?​

Is it possible to reject salvation?

judas did, traded eternal life for 30 pieces of silver

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

could be a false teacher and many are deceived

Those claiming Paul is a false teacher are the actual false teachers.

Jesus continued His teaching ministry thru Paul and other biblical writers as the Lord expounded upon what He taught during his earthly ministry when He was here in the flesh.

judas did, traded eternal life for 30 pieces of silver

Yes he did, but they all claim Judas was never saved in the first place even though Jesus gave Judas the Holy Spirit and he was doing miracles along with the other disciples

So this is a very sore topic with the people who have been deceived in to believing salvation cannot be lost when a person turns away from the Lord which is what Judas did

 

[LoveYeshua]

Yes he did, but they all claim Judas was never saved in the first place even though Jesus gave Judas the Holy Spirit and he was doing miracles along with the other disciples

So this is a very sore topic with the people who have been deceived in to believing salvation cannot be lost when a person turns away from the Lord which is what Judas did

Jesus sent the original 11 and Peter was chosen by GOD to go to the gentiles and be the leader of HiS church, they all went to the gentiles at the set time, they preached Jesus message in it's entirety and not a mystery gospel that no one witnessed but Paul, it is why Paul called it "HIS GOSPEL"

Anyone who was deceived and comes backs to GOD will be welcomed, remember a parable from Jesus about this? one of Jesus message was simple enough;""REPENT""

as for Judas, He was chosen, given power, preached, and did miracles with the others. Jesus treated him as one of the twelve. Judas fell by his own decision. The idea that Judas was “never saved” is not something Jesus said. Instead, Jesus warned all His followers to remain faithful and endure to the end.

John 15:6
“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered...”

Just like a branch that was once part of the vine can be cut off, Judas was once with Jesus, but chose to leave and betray Him. So no—the idea that he was never saved in the first place is not true based on what Jesus said and did.

 

[bro.tan]

Self righteousness is all you offer

Yes he will judge everyone according to their deeds

For those who failed to keep the law he will reward them with hellfire

For those who looked to the cross in faith he will not give them what they deaerve

Again your not going to like if you try to hand God your works

Pay close attention to what the God of Israel (Jesus) is saying here in Matthew. You will be called the least in the kingdom of heaven if you teach men that the law is no more. If you are the least in the kingdom you will be in the Lake of Fire. It's very clear that law is still in effect, last time I checked the heavens and the earth still exist.

Jesus says in Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In Ezekiel Jesus informs you how a man will die. If he breaks the law and does not repent (baptized in the name of Jesus and be circumcised) he will die.

Now, let's go into Ezekiel 18:10 If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things, 11 And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbor's wife, 12 Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination, 13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. The soul that sinneth it shall die. What is the biblical definition of sin? I John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Now we see what sin is. So what death is the LORD talking about here?

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

He is talking about the second death. What is the second death?

 

[LoveYeshua]

Pay close attention to what the God of Israel (Jesus) is saying here in Matthew. You will be called the least in the kingdom of heaven if you teach men that the law is no more. If you are the least in the kingdom you will be in the Lake of Fire. It's very clear that law is still in effect, last time I checked the heavens and the earth still exist.

Jesus says in Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In Ezekiel Jesus informs you how a man will die. If he breaks the law and does not repent (baptized in the name of Jesus and be circumcised) he will die.

Now, let's go into Ezekiel 18:10 If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things, 11 And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbor's wife, 12 Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination, 13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. The soul that sinneth it shall die. What is the biblical definition of sin? I John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Now we see what sin is. So what death is the LORD talking about here?

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

He is talking about the second death. What is the second death?

Amen, unfortunately as I have witnesses many do not follow Jesus but another and false doctrine, they do not know scripture, and do not see the light, yet they called themselves Christians;

1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Jhn 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Jhn 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Blessings Brother

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Just like a branch that was once part of the vine can be cut off, Judas was once with Jesus, but chose to leave and betray Him. So no—the idea that he was never saved in the first place is not true based on what Jesus said and did.

Exactly. But the eternal security crowd claims Judas was never saved to begin with.

They have to say that to protect their false teaching about salvation cannot be lost.

If they were honest about Judas, then they would have to admit that salvation can actually be lost and they just can't do that due to their pride. And so they hang on to their false doctrine so they don't look bad to others.